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Nov 30th, 2003 at 10:46am

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Good day all, Here are a few questions I would like to ask before I start with a new version of Bristol-Lulsgate. I was quite pleased with my Version 2 which I unfortunately never released before a computer crash which lost all the files. As I am starting again from the beginning i would like to make it as good as I can. I would greatly appreachiate any advise you can give.

 1. I would like to alter the levels slightly, like a little patch of scenery mesh around the airport, placing a road and the airport on top. What is the best program /'s to use for this.

 2. With the airport what is the best combination of scenery design tools to use? I plan to make quite a few custom scenery macros and use them on the scenery. I have done this with EOD and FSSC and am very happy with the results but I was wondering whether there is a better alternative? I was wondering about NOVA but I am not quite sure what that does.

3. For the macros, (made in eod or other) I am quite keen to make textures using the photos for the colours. I have just got PaintShopPro8 from Amazon.co.uk (50% off and came within 3 days!!!) so that I would hope could handle it! Is this possible? If so how do I do this?

4. There are a few aircraft (such as this shorts http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=photos;action=display;num=...) which are quite commonly parked or are based there which might be quite nice to have built into the scenery, is this possible? I had a program called FS98toBGL or something but I never managed to get the macros to work in FSSC, does this work? Its probably just a case of me plugging on with it till I work it out!


I think this is all the questions I have, sorry their quite frank but I figured this would be easier for all!

Does anybody know where I can get hold of some 'Birdseye' airport maps and layouts? Is there a website with all this sort of Information available for Pilots? After hours of searching the internet for 'Lulsgate' 'Bristol Airport' etc. A few sites about bristol airport but it mostly seems to be about parking cars!!!!

Here are some of the pictures, Unfortunately it was quite a grey day so theyh didn't come out great combined with an ancient Scanner! I thought it would be best to do this like this in this forum.

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/BristolAP1y.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/BristolAP11y.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/BristolAP2y.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/BristolAP3y.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/BristolAP4y.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/BristolAP7y.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/BristolAP8y.jpg

I have received alot of help in the past and am extremely grateful for that, hopefully after this project I may be able to start helping others aswell.
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Reply #1 - Dec 1st, 2003 at 1:24pm
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Well Birdy, scenery design is an individual thing but here's what I do.

I've made the whole of my Kai Tak using FSSC and EOD. The only alternative for EOD that I would have looked at would have been GMax but I I played with the tutorials, made a pretty bl**dy useless mace and then decided I wanted to get on with the scenery and the rest of my life. I was creating custom objects like the clappers in EOD in half the time it would have taken me to find out how to change the scale and colour of that beedin'  mace Smiley

I admire anyone who has stuck with GMax and is creating stuff - really. I know quite a few have  Wink

I have used published photos only - no scale drawings, no maps, no plans. Then I've created objects solely by eye - estimating the proportions and using a variable scale makes it easy to slot them into the scenery pretty accurately. Remember, NO-ONE will view them as critically as you do - if you think they look right, they ARE right. (Let em go and do their own scenery if they're not happy Wink )

I've used a few textures taken from photos but remember that you have to correct for parallax - often it's easier and more effective to create textures from scratch by hand.

To do that, progs like PaintShop Pro and PhotoShop aren't suitable - you need something like CorelDraw which is what I use. I create a 256x256 or more likely a 512x512 texture layout as a 24bit bmp in CorelDraw, export it to PaintShop Pro and then adjust it by adding weathering, night and seasonal effects where necessary.

I keep the 24 bit bmp as a master (I add the subscript N to the name eg objectN.bmp), make an alpha if it's to be an extended bmp (called objectA.bmp) and convert it to its final format either as an 8 bit palletted or an extended bmp (called object.bmp). Then of course you have the night time series (objectN_lm etc) and seasonals (object_fa.bmp, object_sp.bmp etc). But using my system it's all organised and you know exactly where you are  ???

I find FSSC a great piece of software. I started with Airport but had more problems which I easily solved when I switched. BUT this is a personal thing. In any event, until I decide to do many more projects, I see no need to move away from this excellent Freeware software.

Then of course there's AFCAD. You can't design for FS2002 and expect your scenery to work immediately in 2004 - unless you're lucky. And vice-versa in my experience. And AFCAD2 is going to make things even more tricky with it's ability to modify aprons and taxiways. Integrating a prog like FSSC with AFCAD is currently tricky - Lee Swordy says so and I believe him Smiley

Personally I think the way to go will be for the full design progs like FSSC to incorporate the taxiway/apron mod features that AFCAD has and to stick with AFCAD solely for the AFD file changes. Maybe that is what Lee has in mind for AFCAD - to become a super FSSC with full design capabilities. Personally I like a proper graphical interface and I don't like Lee's idea of using flatten and exclusion switches. I like to SEE what I'm doing in front of me.

Anyway, there ya go. Like I said, it's an individual thing - that's why sceneries are so diverse and fascinating.

But remember one thing (this'll get the aircraft designers' backs up!). There is no shortage of excellent aircraft out there (I'm glad to say 8) ) but there is still a dearth of fine scenery and probably always will be. And it's the scenery that mainly makes the sim - after all, most of the time you're flying a panel and looking out over the top of it at scenery Wink

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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 11:28am

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Thanks for your reply rollerball,
I shall stick to FSSC and EOD. Its easy and as you say its nice to see what your doing. I looked at Airport but that frightning black screen put me off!
I never got further than installing Gmax - learnt that microsoft hadn't included the nessecery to do anything else but install it so I gave up. I don't know what M$ thought they were doing giving you Gmax with ACOF and not the MakeMDL and FSconv which make it work Angry. Blow me if im going to go and buy FS2002pro to be able to do this!!!

Shame about the textures, I shall have to have a go though however succesfull!! Even if its just the basic hanger colours are better than the 'Adjustable objects' in FSSC.  I will have a go at getting my head around your system Roll Eyes 8) ??? ??? Grin  Wink

I totally agree with AFCAD, It doesn't bridge the gap enough to be able to use either FSSC or AFCAD. But by using FSSC you completely wipe afcad so at the moment FSSC offers the greater functionallity (sp?). If only FSSC could draw lines like AFCAD..........

Thanks again Roller, I have just got to figure out where to start! For some reason it looks scarier in FSCOF with an exclusion zone over the airport than it did in FS2002!!

 
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2003 at 12:11pm

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I never got further than installing Gmax - learnt that microsoft hadn't included the nessecery to do anything else but install it so I gave up. I don't know what M$ thought they were doing giving you Gmax with ACOF and not the MakeMDL and FSconv which make it work Angry. Blow me if im going to go and buy FS2002pro to be able to do this!!!

Only M$ would consider doing this or be allowed to get away with it on a regular basis. I presume an SDK will eventually be released containing the necessary Gamepack & instructions. When this will be is anybody's guess. Where would they be without the Freeware 3rd party developers? ??? Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #4 - Dec 3rd, 2003 at 3:35pm

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I've just the last couple of days been trying to work out how to use Ground2k4, a mesh development program........ Boy this is hard! Does anybody know how to flatten a whole area, deleting the airport (default Flat area's) yet still be able to put mesh on top? Any Ideas ill try them, write or wrong!

PS. Don't think anythings too simple I wont of done it, I still remember my 'flying runway'!
 
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