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Nov 25th, 2003 at 4:03pm

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Hello,
I was reading a lot about A380 and 7E7 which are coming out very soon and was just wondering, a few years ago when A380 was first anounced it was at first called A3XX which now stands for A380 and now Boeing is making it's new 7E7 and I don't really know what it is going to be called? Is it permenantly going to be called 7E7 or is it going to be something like 787? or 797? Also once A380 is in services, is it going to replace Boeing 747-400 or 747-400ER which is quite new? Thanks.
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 25th, 2003 at 4:08pm

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there are currently a few options for the 7E7,
1:Remain as 7E7(most popular option right now)
2:787(to continue the line of numbers 757 767 777 787)
3:808(since this is a totally new aircraft they are thinking a new begining in number history)

bare in mind that its name is dreamliner, so you could be hearing over the ATC airwaves "you are on finals following a 7E7 dreamliner, 787 Dreamliner or 808 Dreamliner".
now after a while most ATC will drop dreamliner if ever use it. Hopefully
 
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Reply #2 - Nov 25th, 2003 at 4:49pm

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I don't think that the A380 will "replace" the 747 series completely.  In some airlines, especially European, yes.  In the end, it's economics and marketing.

One possibility is that the A380 might just be too big for some airports to handle, so you'll still have a 747.

 

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Reply #3 - Nov 26th, 2003 at 3:41pm

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Reply #4 - Nov 26th, 2003 at 3:48pm

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707 mean anything to ya:)SmileyLOL
peugeot french car maker, Boeing big american plane maker. doubt its going to matter at all
 
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Reply #5 - Nov 26th, 2003 at 4:18pm

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Intersting facts you guys mentioned. I personally think that 808 would probably be the best for it since it is a new aircraft . What are your oponions?
 
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Reply #6 - Nov 26th, 2003 at 4:48pm

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meh, 808 really doesnt fit the Aircraft, and with the A380 coming out, i think the number 8 should be avoided:)
7E7 should stick, in my opinion
 
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Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2003 at 8:08pm

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Intersting facts you guys mentioned. I personally think that 808 would probably be the best for it since it is a new aircraft . What are your oponions?



Because of the Peugot "connection"  I don't think that Boeing would use the "808" purely from a marketing point of view.

As to the Porsche 901 -... I don't know about that, since one of the successful Porsches of the early '60s was the model 908.

I do remember that Mercedes Wankel prototype was first called the C-101, but because of Peugot's "claim" it was changed to C-111.
 

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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 7:27am

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Hi Guys,

     I am not really confident about those giant airplanes. The market seems to go with smaller airplane like CRJ.
I think also, even if those airplanes are almost built, that is gonna take a lot of time to fly with them. But it is just my opinion.

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Reply #9 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 10:44am

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I personally think that 7E7 isn't the best name for their new aircraft. It is sort of incomplete I think. It would be nicer if they put 808 or 787 but if they prefer to avoid "808" then the best would be 787. 7E7 just feels incomplete to me. I don't know about others thought  Wink BTW, who is going to be the first customer to purchase the new 7E7 and A380. Qantas was the first to purchase B747-400ER last year  Wink Maybe they will purchase an A380?
 
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Reply #10 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 10:56am

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the asian market will likely be the first to see the 7E7 in full service as its best suited there. no customers are even rumored right now but early next year we shall know.
 
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Reply #11 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 11:57am

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Hi Guys,

    I am not really confident about those giant airplanes. The market seems to go with smaller airplane like CRJ.
                           Cheers

How would you like to sit in a CRJ for 12 hours?
 
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Reply #12 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 8:11pm

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I have been in CRJ. Well the flight was only 2 hours so it wasn't that long hehe. Can't imagine sitting in that jet for 12 hours. too small  Roll Eyes But I would refuse to ither  Wink
 
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Reply #13 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 8:12pm

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Btw, do you think United or British Airways, Air Canada  are going to purchase any 7E7's? Would love to see those fly here in North America  Smiley
 
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Reply #14 - Nov 27th, 2003 at 8:16pm

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Forgot, same goes for A380. Any North American or European airlines to order and fly A380?
 
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Reply #15 - Nov 28th, 2003 at 6:08am

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BA will likely pick up the 7E7 to replace its 767 fleet. Virgin are looking at the A380. but still many airports cant handle it.
 
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Reply #16 - Nov 28th, 2003 at 12:27pm

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Forgot, same goes for A380. Any North American or European airlines to order and fly A380?


Being a European aircraft I expect quite a few A380s to be purchased in Europe, as long as the airport facilities are upgraded fast enough

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Reply #17 - Nov 28th, 2003 at 9:44pm

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Do you guys think A380 is going to be a success or is it going to be something like Concorde, very nice and luxury but very expensive to operate and unaffordable for most airlines to purchase due to high maintainence costs and many other reasons.
 
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Reply #18 - Nov 29th, 2003 at 6:43am

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its impossible to say. The airline world changes so fast its impossible to predict what will happen next week.
Airbus are placing all their bets on the fact air travel will pick up in the next few years drastically. If it doesnt we could be looking at the end of airbus as we know it.
 
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Reply #19 - Nov 30th, 2003 at 1:06am

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So you are saying that if Airbus fails to get enought costomers for A380 it might no longer make any airplanes? I thought that Airbus is doing pretty well since it has so many customers in Europe and Asia like you said. Even some North American airlines have an airbus in their fleet (Jetblue, Northwest, Air Canada, Skyservice). Also why is it that North American airliners aren't planning to get any A380's ???
 
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Reply #20 - Nov 30th, 2003 at 5:49am

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north american airlines cant afford to buy A380's in any large bulk right now. And tons of US airlines use the Airbus, united, continental i belive, US airways.
Remember the A380 is a huge cost to build, now the government does fund airbus for this project but if this goes badly i dont think the french government will be to happy about it. Remember, airbus also practically give away their aircraft because of funding, the A380 will not be able to just given away. and those who buy it need to make sure they can afford it, and all the airports they want to fly it to can.
LAX is the biggest problem, it cant handle the A380 and without a huge overhaul it never will
 
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Reply #21 - Dec 1st, 2003 at 12:55pm

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I think that Virgin Atlantic may be going to be the launch customer for the A380. I saw a picture of Richard Branson holding a model of an A380 in the new Virgin colours a while back. So if that's the case, it could be flying to east or west coast of the US.

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Oops - moral to the tale - read page 2 of teh thread before adding a comment! You sound pretty knowledgeable on this, Craig.   Wink
 

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Reply #23 - Dec 1st, 2003 at 4:15pm

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It is intersting, Airbus is going to launch A380 which is going to be bigger than their Boeing 747 but boeing is thinking of 7E7 which is a lot smaller, so I am wondering, is Boeing planning on making something even bigger or at least the same size as A380 in the future? Maybe 747-900 or something like that? Also my friend told me that there might be a 747 which will have 2 standart decks (like in A380) and one extra one on top just like on a 747-400. It going to go only to the middle on the fuselage. So anybody know or heared about that?
 
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Reply #24 - Dec 1st, 2003 at 4:22pm

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not heard of anything big being designed by Boeing. They are converting the 747 freighter making it bigger on top to transport  the parts for the 7E7, why worry about a rival to the A380? the 747 is fine for its job, the A380 only holds a few more as it is. and the 7E7 is going to be a huge sucess, its perfect for the future. Airbus are already considering a replacement to their A300 aging fleet and even the older A330's they have realised the 7E7 is going to be huge and they cant just convert the A330, and they are running scared:)
 
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Reply #25 - Dec 1st, 2003 at 4:35pm

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It is intersting, Airbus is going to launch A380 which is going to be bigger than their Boeing 747 but boeing is thinking of 7E7 which is a lot smaller, so I am wondering, is Boeing planning on making something even bigger or at least the same size as A380 in the future? Maybe 747-900 or something like that? Also my friend told me that there might be a 747 which will have 2 standart decks (like in A380) and one extra one on top just like on a 747-400. It going to go only to the middle on the fuselage. So anybody know or heared about that?


Boeing already had a design study of a full double-deck 747 variant (an FS5/FS98 model was built of the "747-900" I think).  Basically, it's a 747 with the upper deck extended back.  Like Boeing, Airbus can count on past double-decker piston airliner experience - the SE. "Sahara".

 

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Reply #26 - Dec 1st, 2003 at 6:27pm

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So is Boeing thinking of starting on that 747 with extened 2nd deck or was it just a proposal which was later proped?
 
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Reply #27 - Dec 1st, 2003 at 7:15pm

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So is Boeing thinking of starting on that 747 with extened 2nd deck or was it just a proposal which was later proped?



It comes up every once in a while, but I don't see them coming out with it - not while the 7E7 is under development - unless the market for high capacity airliners "wakes" up.  I would see a "747-900" more in a short/medium haul high density route - such as the special 747s in Japan, or the Middle East, if the airports can't handle the A380
 

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Reply #28 - Dec 1st, 2003 at 11:30pm

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So I guess Boeing isn't thinking of anything the size of an Airbus A380. What altitude will A380 be cruisng at? I always think it is going to be slightly higher than normal (well maybe 44,000feet)
 
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