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Reply #15 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 1:00pm

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All right.  Any SPACE SHIP given motion by a solar sail will NEVER get enough push to reach anything even remotely close to the speed of light.  I don't mean to beat on ya, Kat, but it just seems kinda funny.

A solar sail works by capturing the photons (the solid stuff pushed by light waves, or the stuff we actually "see") and using them as "solar wind".  This wind would be perfect for travel within the confines of our inner solar system.  Anything out beyond about Jupiter will never get enough OOMPH! to go anywhere in any reasonable length of time.

The reason has to do with a law (I forget the name) that states that light, like sound, falls off cubicly as you get farther away from it.  That is to say, take the square root cube (3) of the distance, and that will tell you how much energy you are getting, with a few other variables thrown in along the way.  So the farther you get away from a light source, the larger the solar sail would have to be, by a factor of 10^3.  That's pretty big.  If you were to start with a sail as big as your house when you left earth's orbit, to keep the same acceleration you would have to have something 100 times that size (give or take a few) by the time you reached the orbit of Mars.

And it would have to keep getting bigger.

Oh, and at 1/4th of the speed of light, your problem isn't friction.  Any solid matter you encounter (pebbles, meteorites, atoms) will punch a hole in your SPACE SHIP like rebar through a birthday cake.


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Reply #16 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 4:21pm

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Well, I guess we'll find out if solar sailing works or not soon.  A private organization is planning to launch a solar sail in early 2004.  They were supposed to launch it last month, but they delayed it.  Tongue  I've been looking forward to seeing how it goes for about a year now.

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Anything out beyond about Jupiter will never get enough OOMPH! to go anywhere in any reasonable length of time.

Once a solar sail ship goes beyond Jupiter, lasers based somewhere in the inner solar system could give the sail some "oomph", since the light from a laser doesn't diffuse into space as quickly as sunlight.
 

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Reply #17 - Nov 5th, 2003 at 4:57pm

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Daniels right.  Lasers could be used, but the power experditure alone would make this a monumental task, not to mention trying to hit something millions of miles away at the correct angle!
 

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Reply #18 - Nov 6th, 2003 at 7:25am

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ok so you mount the laser on the back of the ship, aim it at the sail, and you got all the oomph you need. Grin

Seriously, I have no idea what this whole thread is about now, my head hurts and i think ill go lie down now. Grin
 
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Reply #19 - Nov 6th, 2003 at 8:42am

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ok so you mount the laser on the back of the ship, aim it at the sail, and you got all the oomph you need. Grin

Seriously, I have no idea what this whole thread is about now, my head hurts and i think ill go lie down now. Grin



Correct me if I'm wrong but...

Every action has an equal and opposite reacation....the sail and laser will go nowhere.

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Reply #20 - Nov 6th, 2003 at 3:33pm

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Yeah, that's why the laser would have to be aimed from somewhere else.

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...not to mention trying to hit something millions of miles away at the correct angle!

You could do it the easy way and rotate the sails so it would hit correctly.  Wink

For anyone who's totally lost in all this solar sail stuff (hey, what happened to Star Trek  ??? lol) Click Here for an explanation (and a cool picture  8))
 

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Reply #21 - Nov 6th, 2003 at 3:36pm

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If your lasar is exerting so much force that it can propel the sail bearing ship through space why not turn it round and use it like a jet?  Pointing it at a sail seems a little pointless.

It would stop other ships tailgating you.

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Reply #22 - Nov 6th, 2003 at 6:16pm

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Ender Baron,

I think you are refering to the inverse square law about light.  The intensity varies inversely with the square of the distance.

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