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Sep 22nd, 2003 at 9:11am

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You know, talking about a certain book got me thinking.  I can't think of one bit of American humor I find funnier than Monty Python, Bean, or the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and I am an American.  Actually, yes I can.  Young Frankenstien is still the funniest movie ever.  The early days of Saturday Night Live rocked too.  Which is better?  British or American humor?  British humor seems to be a bit more slapstick, while American humor takes it's time setting up a joke and whammies you with the punchline
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 9:42am

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One feeds on the other. ...

If we go to the beginnings of American cinema humor, recall that Charlie Chaplin was English.

Scholarly satire (A Modest Proposal) has always been a hallmark of English humor, in my opinion.

American humor has evolved over the decades, and you can't really pinpoint a characteristic.  You have the classic Abbot and Costello "Who's on First" - a mastery of word play and timing.

The American series, "All in the Family" is an americanized British series (whose name escapes me), and there are others.

American "sitcoms" have been, in my opinion, more slapstick and "crude".  At least Benny Hill's comedy was straight bawdy vaudeville - pull no punches.

Admittedly, my greatest exposure to British comedy was Benny Hill reruns.  The facial expressions told the story.

Bill Cosby, interviewing little kids - his facial expressions speak volumes.  Robin Williams, Jonathan Winters are others that need not speak to make one laugh....

Comedy is a matter of personal preference - unfortunately, in the English speaking world, we may not know of other excellent comedians, except in passing - Cantinflas and "El Chapulin Colorado" from Mexico are two.
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 10:40am

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The original British series from which 'All in the Family' came from was called 'Til Death do Us Part"

The more I think about it...

Gallagher, Sam Kinnison and Robin Williams have all caused me to literally fall on the floor laughing and they're Americans.

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Reply #3 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 10:50am

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Its a tough call, they are rather different.
British humour tends to be more word play and subtlety these days, whereas American humour is very much in-your-face. I mean lets be honest, American Pie movies are about as subtle as a kick in the testicles Roll Eyes
That said, some of the best comedy movies are American, there are several I can watch anytime The Blues Brothers, Young Frankenstein, Cool Runnings to name but a few (In fact I've watch Blues Brothers well over a 100 times and I still laugh, and Young Frankenstein is an old favourite, and the first film I saw at a drive-in-movie in California Shocked). And of course John Hughes is a great director of family funnies. I was watching Uncle Buck and Ferris Buellers Day Off the other week.
I think English TV humour is better, I've yet to laugh at an episode of Friends. But Mr. Bean has me crying in no time at all.
I hope America gets the BBC series My Hero soon, that is incredibly funny Grin
But at the end of the day, I'm a Python man......

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Ps. I really liked Johnny English though, some British movies are good Grin Grin Grin
 

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Reply #4 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 10:56am

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As a child in America, I grew up on Benny Hill(PTV), later Monty Python(PTV) and lastly The Young Ones(MTV). If you look at American TV, you see a lot of "bombs", BUT, I'm sure the three shows I just mentioned were "skimmed" from a larger group from the BBC, before they were brought to us.  That's a really tough question for me to answer. I can honestly say, that I can't decide. What I DO think is that the American public is gratified much more easily. I  can't think of any British stand-up comedians. Maybe it's more of a phenomenon here, or perhaps they don't get the coverage.
.................now that I think about it, last night I watched Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels..........yeah, I think I'm going with British.   .............but then again, Brad Pitt as a Pikey in Snatch.................. Roll Eyes ??? ??? Sad
 

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Reply #5 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 11:12am

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I  can't think of any British stand-up comedians.


There are few better than Bob Hope.


 

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Reply #6 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 11:17am

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  American humor....The Three Stooges of course, what else can be said!!
 
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Reply #7 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 11:41am

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OTTOL I'm disappointed. Nobody has introduced you to Jasper Carrott, Mike Harding, or the stand-up king Billy Connelly (mind you, it helps if you speak Glaswegian, but he IS funny!).

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Ps. Which is your favourite Young Ones episode? Mine would be either Bambi or Flood. Grin
 

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Reply #8 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 11:49am

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I think humour is a very personal thing. My brother & I have similar tastes in most things, even share a sense of the ridiculous. However there are some things that have me rolling on the floor while he sits there straightfaced. We both enjoyed the Stooges TV channel while on holiday in the US. Watching those idiots brought back so many fond memories & had tears running down our faces. Grin

We were brought up on the old Hollywood slapstick humour at the Saturday Morning flicks. Great fun. Never really liked Chaplin but some of the others were excellent. Laurel & Hardy were my favourites. I still find them funny today. I believe Stan Laurel was English. Norman Wisdom was another favourite, Lee Evans is often compared to him.

The Goon Show on radio in the '50s has a lot to anwer for. My sense of humour hasn't recovered to this day.
I also like the typical old-fashioned British subtle humour. I'm not sure many Americans would understand it or find it funny. Not convinced a current British audience would either. Roll Eyes
Despite Ozzy's comments I don't see a lot of that stuff around today. Most modern stand-up comics seem to think it necessary to use foul language & be offensive to raise a laugh. This doesn't suit me & I switch off at that point. Billy Connolly is one exception - foul mouthed but extremely clever & amusing. I never understood what all the fuss was about with Monty Python. I know many find it hilarious but it never did anything for me. I do like Mr Bean & Fawlty Towers. The Young Ones was one that made immediately reach for the off switch. Maybe it's my age or something. Roll Eyes

The strange thing to me is that popular British TV shows are often changed for an American audience. Some are completely rewritten, including the plot & new characters. I'm almost certain the average British audience would not recognise 'All in the Family' as having any relationship to the classic 'Till Death do Us Part" or even find it amusing. This does not seem to be necessary the other way round. Many excellent American sitcoms are shown unchanged on British TV.

PS. Felix. Bob Hope was not a typical British stand-up comic. Although he often employed British scriptwriters, his humour was strictly American. To tell the truth, I never found him particularly funny.
 

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Reply #9 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 11:58am

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British humor is most definitely funnier, and I too am an American.  All of our stuff is just copied from England anyway.

Case in point....NBC will be running an Americanized version of Coupling this fall.  Looks terrible compared to the English show.

Case #2...Whoopi, starring Whoopi Goldberg (coincidence?) is basically Fawlty Towers minus the funny.

I'll always say British humor is better, but why isn't this a political topic? ???
 

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Reply #10 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 12:02pm

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British humor has wit and charisma.  American humor beats you over the head with the jokes.
 

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Reply #11 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 12:17pm

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I'll always say British humor is better, but why isn't this a political topic? ???

Hyperion. You're an extremely intelligent guy. I don't see how a discussion on comedy can possibly cause offence to anyone. Roll Eyes ???

PS. I admire your taste in humour. Wink
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 12:17pm

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If you want good political comedy, how about Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister, heck they even made Maggies bedside table!!!!
I have to admit two American TV comedies I do enjoy are Third Rock From The Sun, and Spin City, they are funny Grin
Hagar, I was raised on a healthy diet of The Goons, Round The Horne, and Kenny Everett. 'Nuff said Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #13 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 12:23pm

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Hagar, I was raised on a healthy diet of The Goons, Round The Horne, and Kenny Everett. 'Nuff said Grin Grin Grin

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Now you're talking. All favourites of mine too. Grin

I must check out Spin City. Not sure I've seen it.
 

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Reply #14 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 12:28pm

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I'll always say British humor is better, but why isn't this a political topic? ???


It isn't a political topic because the subject is comedy, not politics.  If you try to make it one I may have to borrow some of Ozzy's marmalade... Smiley
 

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Reply #15 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 12:36pm
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. Bob Hope was not a typical British stand-up comic. Although he often employed British scriptwriters, his humour was strictly American. To tell the truth, I never found him particularly funny.



He was born in Britian, true. But he immigrated so young that very little if any of the culture stuck.

He was the Master of the American one-liner.
 
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PS. Felix. Bob Hope was not a typical British stand-up comic. Although he often employed British scriptwriters, his humour was strictly American. To tell the truth, I never found him particularly funny.


I'll thank you not to spoil the story with the truth.  Only by birth can it be claimed he's British.


As a side note - isn't comedy, at its core, political?  Most of the time, the difference between politics and comedy is, at best, blurred.

 

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Reply #17 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 1:15pm

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Precisely my point, Felix.  Thank you!   Wink
 

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Reply #18 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 1:23pm

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Tut tut. Now don't encourage him Felix. Roll Eyes
This was a perfectly civilised discussion on comedy. True, humour is a great way to bring politics & politicians into perspective. Yes Minister is a case in point. That's not the same thing as discussing politics. I'm sure Hype realises this perfectly well & is just up to his mischief. Where's that mamalade? Tongue

If there is such a thing as a typical British stand-up comic it would have to be the late, great Max Miller.
 

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On the flipside to the argument, politics(especially in the US)is some THE best comic material!  Cheesy
 

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Reply #20 - Sep 22nd, 2003 at 1:54pm

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OTTOL I'm disappointed. Nobody has introduced you to Jasper Carrott, Mike Harding, or the stand-up king Billy Connelly (mind you, it helps if you speak Glaswegian, but he IS funny!).

Ozzy

Ps. Which is your favourite Young Ones episode? Mine would be either Bambi or Flood
I think INTERESTING is where my quote"....what's a FATOOMSH" came from, but I think Bambi and Demolition are tied for first. 
I thought Billy Connelly was Irish?  Cheesy
 

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Comedy is one thing, political satire is a whole other topic.  Both are very funny.

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PS I voted British but there have been some excellent American comics and shows.  The simpsons is just one.  It is my belief that US humor and British humour are much closer than we often realise and the best can often be a blend of the two.

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Although I am English, I voted for American humour.
I'ts all to do with the accent, and the dry way it is put over.... Wink...!
The dry paranoia of Woody Allen always creases me up... Grin...LOL...!
There are many Jewish-Americans* who make amazing comedians, again, it's the accent and the delivery... Smiley...!

...also, cartoons only work using American accents!!!

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Nobody has introduced you to Jasper Carrott, Mike Harding, or the stand-up king Billy Connelly (mind you, it helps if you speak Glaswegian, but he IS funny!).

Ozzy

LOL I still giggle uncontollably when I think of Carrott's story of the moles.

PS. OTTOL. The Big Yin is definitely Glaswegian.
 

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Better Inspector Poly than Inspector Gadget, this thread is getting v.silly in the best SimV traditions Grin Hooray Grin Grin Grin
Hagar, Spin City was on C4, and it stars Michael J. Fox, its good Wink

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British humour and comedy is far better than American. Admittedly the Simpsons is an exception along with a very select few. However compared to british comidians like Eddie Izzard, Spike Milligan, Ross Nobel, Paul Merton and Peter Sellers all american comedy falls flat on its face. I can sit through hours of so called American comedys and not even smirk. However one line from any of the above can get me laughing for days afterwards.

The fact is that British humour told by a truely funny person can make absolutly anything hilarious. American humour can do something similar and just make me think "What?".

To say british humour is all about word play is nonsense. There is no better way to produce a groan from your audience than to utter some sort of pun.

I think it also depends on the person. I have a mind that can find a funny point to any situation and with the right company I can be laughing for hours at something completely normal like a yellow bus. I prove this theory by telling all that The Two Towers is the funniest film I have seen for ages because I watched it with a friend who's sense of humour is practically identical to mine. We plan to see Return of the King and do the same thing. Cheesy
 

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Although I am English, I voted for American humour.
I'ts all to do with the accent, and the dry way it is put over.... ...

What accent?  Roll Eyes
 

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  Sorry, but I just can't pick between american and british humor, I like too much of both!
 

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What accent?  Roll Eyes



You'd be surprised ...  from a non-English as a first language speaker's point of view, the various accents that English speakers have are interesting ...
 

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You'd be surprised ...  from a non-English as a first language speaker's point of view, the various accents that English speakers have are interesting ...

  Sorry, that was another attempt at slap stick humor, with myself playing the village idiot(sorry Scott)once again. I realize that it's common for the speaker not to realize their own accent. I have cousins that visit from New York, to here in Florida, that say I talk like John Wayne! ...and trust me, there aren't too many people in South Florida that have the Stereotypic "hillbilly" accent. A strange perspective for me though, when Fozzer mentioned his amusement at the "American" accent. Never gave it much thought. On a similar note. I watched an interview with Michael Cane on American TV the other night. He's in a movie with Robert Duvall, and performs with what I would coin as a, flawless, Texas accent. I was impressed to say the least! Wink
 

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Interesting. I find that Americans are generally confused by British accents. Our regional accents are quite distinctive. I sometimes have problems understanding pure Geordie (Newcastle), North Yorkshire & some Scots myself. Some local dialects are almost like a completely different language. I'm a big fan of Robin Williams who I think is extremely talented. His "Brit" accent in Mrs Doubtfire completely threw me. I've never come across any Brit who spoke anything like that. Dick Van Dyke's attempt at a "Cockney" accent in Mary Poppins is still a big joke here.

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Olly Richards of Empire magazine said: "Putting on a foreign lilt appeals to a star's vanity, giving them the oportunity to prove that they are more than a pretty face. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13128971_method=full_sitei...


I've been taken for a Londoner or even an Aussie when in the US. I find this strange as my Sussex accent is quite different & certainly nothing vaguely resembling Aussie. (I'm proud of my heritage & have a broad Sussex accent. It never did me any harm in business.) I can usually tell within a few miles where most people are from as soon as they start talking. I do have problems with US regional accents though.
 

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