Oh man, I gotta get in on this one!

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  No...not collectively, there are some individuals here who would fair very well in an intellectual debate on hot topics.
  It takes a certain type of person to express their views and accept the criticism of others, while at the same time constructively arguing your views of someone elses beliefs, without the arguement becoming heated.
  I have found that most often a little switch gets clicked on in a lot of people that instantly turns a heated discussion into personal attack, there are misunderstandings and misinterpitations and soon we have a brawl.

  You probably know who you can discuss things of this nature with and perhaps there is a better place to do this than here at SimV.

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  I was just wonderin', I never expected that thread to become what it has!

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  I totally agree with this, We have to remember we are guests here, and I think Pete let's us get away with quite a bit already, and I have to add that I don't think SimV would be a cool as it is if we were to allow a lot of hot topics to be discussed, there would be the danger of this forum turning into the name-calling-free-for-all that keeps me away from most other message boards and especially chat rooms.

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  Well now, there you go.

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  You don't have to give up anything, you should check out the link Ozzy posted, there is no reason you can't go see if that is what you are looking for, a forum to discuss your views on more serious issues, if you found it to be a suitable place with the proper maturity level to debate hot topics, you could let us know by personal or public message, you never know, maybe some of us here would even go there and join you on some of the topics not allowed here.
No one has to give up SimV to join other forums, I go to a lot of other forums for information, but I have found a home base here at SimV.

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  Exactly, you don't have to give up the friendships you have developed here, you're cool with us.

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  See, that's kind of an attack right there.
The moderators just try to stop things before they get out of hand, and I think there are times when we all have been allowed to cross the line in one way or another.

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  All forms of media would be so much cooler if everyone could live by this philosophy, no one would ever have anything to bitch about, if you don't like the show,don't watch it, if you don't like the song, change the station, unfortunetly it doesn't usually work that way and everytime some one sees or hears something they don't like, the next thing you know, it's banned or restricted or shutdown.
  I am not easily offended, and I believe everyone should have access to whatever they want, but someone is always going to complain therefore making it difficult for me to easily obtain the things I may find interesting.

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  There you go, this is Pete's forum, and he has made it clear to his moderators what is not allowed, you have to respect that, and find another place for those discussions, but you never have to stop coming to SimV.

Hi Scott,

I fully admit what the 'no politics' thing amounts to is a certain restriction of expression - & what you are saying is that you can't be yourself - you feel, you have to live in the surface - gag yourself effectively .. (?)

The thing is that we didn't have this policy before & the place was just no fun at all.

I used to hate forums because every time I ever tried asking a well intended question I would be laughed at & mocked by the nerdheads that hung out there..... I became convinced forums were places where greasepots with no lives hung out & they got their own back on the human race by having the shield of cyberspace & they could become the bullies they couldn't be in real life. 

I've always tried to create simviation to give people fun & happiness. This is no wishy washy airheaded thing - it has stemmed from the early days when I discovered people were getting real enjoyment by what they were finding on our site. I have a file full of stories - from people who have been wheelchair bound - folk with terminal illnesses - kids who have gone on to real flight training - dads & sons brought together - the list goes on.

When it comes to 'politics' - there are a lot of people out there who will go awol if you start talking politics. We all know 'politics' causes the deaths of millions of people in the real world. Wars alone are politics. One persons political passion is another persons reason to kill him. Most people DON'T think this way - but the point is it's a spectrum of feelings. Some white hot. Others as soft as a feather. That's the point ..

I don't want to know your politics any more than I want to know your sexual fantasies. It's your business. If I knew it I might not like you any more    8)

Do I really have to say more?

& as a footnote - this thread DOES indeed seem to have settled down nicely  8) 

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Well said Oso.

Hype. I also get your point & nothing in this thread offended me in the slightest. If nothing else, it does prove that some of us are smart enough to discuss these things sensibly if we wished to do so. Pete said it all really so I guess there's no more to add.

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I'm not sure if Paz was referring to me here. 
I know I'm an old gasbag who likes nothing more than adding my two penn'orth to any subject under the sun, except politics & religion.

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Oso - you're one hell of a character!!!  

NO!!!! DEFINITLEY NOT!!!!!  


I swear that 'back from the dead' thing still has me laughing to myself like a freek in public places ...  

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Fozzer - I said I didn't want to know about your sexual fantasies ......      8) 

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Hi Hyp...!
You can sit in the grass all day talking about Politics and Religion to sheep, and they will just look back at you with that "affectionate look", just like sheep do, together with the occasional....Baaaa.... 8)...!

It's so relaxing.... ...!
LOL...LOL...LOL..!

Cheers Mate...!
Paul...(It's getting late now, sheep. Back in the shed with you...)... ...!
(England).

Pip, I may not have been here very long, but one thing I've learned about Fozzer is that he's always doing things to warrant a spanking.  Don't fall into his dirty lil trap.  lol

Paz, admit it.  I'm right and you're wrong.

Sorry dude, you were begging for it.