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Question:
Ok folks,Which captain is best?
Kirk
5 (26.3%)
Picard
12 (63.2%)
Sisko
1 (5.3%)
Janeway
1 (5.3%)
Archer
0 (0.0%)
Pike
0 (0.0%)
Total votes: 19
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I thought I'd post this to allow you Star Trek fans to duke this question out. This goes along with Ender Baron's "Trekkies" post.
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oooooh lord. the gloves are gonna come off here:)
this could either proove to be very interesting or very bloody
i am gonna say picard, for a few reasons, he is the guy who made contact with a number of new species, he is also the only captain to go to the edge of the universe, and he has commanded the flag ship for the longest and he turned down an admiral rank to stay there, unlike janeway who was just given the rank because of the situation she was in.
the others are nothing note worthy, although kirk is a close second to picard.
ok all this is irrelevant as its all a show anyway
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Deffinitely Kirk!
Put them all in a defined situation:
The Borg are attacking a planet whose inhabitants are important to the Federation.
What do they do?
Picard: Tells Worf to open hailing frequencies and tries to negotiate the Borg away. (Worf grumbles, obeys . . .) Gets blown to bits.
Sisco: Tells Worf to target torpedoes and tries to destroy the Borg single-handedly. (Worf growls, obeys . . .) Gets blown to bits. (Reminiscent of Wolf 359?
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Janeway: Tries to make friends with the Borg because she's been oh, so lonely out in the Delta Quadrant. Gets everyone assimilated.
Archer: Looks at the Borg ship on the monitors with that noble Scott Bakula look. Gets the hell outta Dodge.
Kirk: Laughs a little and calls in the fleet, destroys the Borg and then tells the other captains to go sit on it.
Moral of the story: Kirk is a team player! The others are just loners and pansies . . .
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It's just got to be Kirk! Ender Baron got it spot on, but don't forget not only is Kirk Star Fleets finest Captain, he's had more Space Women than all the others put together, and he did all his in just 79 shows whilst all the others got seven years and still came up short
What a real man.
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Shouldn't we include Captain Pike in this poll, after all he was the Enterprise's captain in the pilot episode.
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Shouldn't we include Captain Pike in this poll, after all he was the Enterprise's captain in the pilot episode.
I agree, although Pike was only in 2 episodes (well, 3)but thats OK he should still be in the pole-after all, he was a captain.
I chose Captain Picard but it was a hard choice. Something about him seems like he is a better leader than Kirk, but maybe it's just that I like Patrick Stewart better than William Shatner. So, I picked Picard.
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Heres how I would rate them:
1. Kirk
2. Sisko
3. Archer
4. Picard
5. Janeway
If Pike was included in this poll he fall somwhere between Sisko and Archer.
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I honestly think that Pike was one of the greatest Captain's of them all-well according to his story. He basically gave his life to save rookie crew who was being trained. I know he wasn't dead-but he wasn't that alive either.
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I think Picard was the best, no great reason but probably based more on the acting skills of Stewart V Shatner. Janeway IMHO was a sop to the ladies, she couldn't make the choice between commanding and leading a democracy. She also needlessly endangered her crew by getting involved in all sorts of touchy feely missions when she should have been concentrating on getting home.
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There was apparently a world wide poll held by Paramount a year or two ago. pickard won quite convincingly.
There was a Fox Cable TV1 poll in Australia this year, again pickard won almost 50% of the vote.
Like the 'scurulous' "Best Fighter debate", everyone is going to have their fave for their own reasons.
For me, Pickard's commanding presence, his voice, his way of handling and carrying himself is what attracts me to him. He is also (except for Sisco in a limited way) is the only Captain to be held in high esteem and honour by the Klingons. That's high praise and recommendation!
Alot of people probably like Kirks 'luck' with the ladies (which is just another example of the 'camp' nature of TOS), although I love it. But then Pickard does 'quite well', especially for a man in his 50's...............lol
As for Pike, although I loved Geoffrey Hunter (especially as Christ), he's a 'non-event' as far as Star Trek is concerned. Gee's......Captain Sulu has been in as many, if not more episodes and Movies, than Pike!
I really think it should just include 'Series Captains'.
The fact that TNG was the best series in the recent poll (by far). It only stands to reason that Pickard would be favoured as the 'best Captain'.
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how can anyone put archer above picard? he has to be the worst of the lot.
i think bren also just covered a few other reasons why i like picard best. he along with kirk are only ones who are truely commited to the job they were doing, they were always focused on what they had to do, although that side of kirk didnt really come out till the movies, but look at janeway, her job was to bring voyager home, a journey which at constant top warp would have taken 70 years+ so when you consider having to stop for damage, to refuel, and avoiding anomolys she the decides its a good thing to start taking U-turns side tracks and trips round the local nebula, just because it tickles her fancy
that final trip like that would have prob taken over 140 years had they carried on. had that been picard or kirk, hell they would have not only found a way to save the ocompa but also have been able to use the caretakers machine.
but janeway being the type of captain who thinks more along the lines of i want to do this so i will even though there are other options.
sisko, well theres not much differance there, he acts to much on gut instincts and it got him in trouble, then he even quit his job at one point returning to earth, i would hardly call that the sign of a good captain
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Ok, Pike is now on the list. To be honest, I've never seen the original pilot episode.
I only pretend to know what I'm talking about. Heck, that's what lawyers, car mechanics, and IT professionals do everyday.
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Kirk is a stereotypical womanizing, brash, daredevil Yank type. Picard, supposedly French heritage, cannot help but come off as a stereotypical Brit Officer, due to the actual heritage of the actor. I think that might have something to do with it in certain cases. If you look above, you will notice a small amount of Brit Yank polarization along these lines.
You favor those that represent your nationlistic ideals. Like in the Spit or Mustang debate.
My favorite? Why Captain Queeg (sp?) of course! Oops - wrong movie.
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Kirk, Sisko and Archer are "doers". Picard and Janeway are "talkers". Don't get me wrong, all command with the power of authority, but sometimes you just gotta get out of the captain's chair and lead that away team!
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Since Pike was deemed a tad too agressive for a "Peaceful Mission" commander, he was replaced by a more compassionate Kirk........As the record shows, Tiberious was more of a "Lover" than a "Fighter", but thats not to say he wasn't a good tactician....witness the " Corbomite Maneuver ".........
There was only one......Tiberious !
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I don't know how you can omit Pike from the list?
With all due respect to Captain Sulu, I don't think an entire episode was built around him as was done with Pike.
As we all know, Geoffery Hunter was to play the captain of the Enterprise in the original series. But sadly he was killed, I believe in an auto accident, between the shelving of the original pilot and when the series was revived by the network. Had Mr. Hunter played the role I don't think that it would have change any of the story lines but certainly it would have change how we perceived the character.
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you think kirk was a good tactician? picard, now there was a good tactician, and he of course came up with the picard manuver, which only data could come up with a counter for, and i believe he remained the only one who could stop that manuver.
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Ok, Pike is now on the list. To be honest, I've never seen the original pilot episode.
Actually, Pike appears in another episode besides the pilot. They use a lot of clips from the pilot episode to make the only 2 part episode of the original series. That episode was entitled "The Menagerie" and they use the clips and plot from the pilot to create an epsode that centers around Spock trying to help his first captain and committing treason in the process.
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Since Pike was deemed a tad too agressive for a "Peaceful Mission" commander, he was replaced by a more compassionate Kirk........As the record shows, Tiberious was more of a "Lover" than a "Fighter", but thats not to say he wasn't a good tactician....witness the " Corbomite Maneuver ".........
There was only one......Tiberious !
Don't get me wrong, Rifle. I love TOS, as I've said, but as someone has pointed out, Kirk only got the part because Hunter died.
I know Tiberius is Kirk's 'middle' name. Why do you refer to him as that?
Also, if William Shatner is 6 feet tall, I'm eight feet.............lol
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Ya know, I don't know if Kirk was a better captain than Pike would have been-but I'm sure glad they made the change. Had they not done that-Star Trek probably would have died right along with Hunter in 1967 (I think he died in 67).
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I know Tiberius is Kirk's 'middle' name. Why do you refer to him as that?
Here's an interesting fact that I'll bet you didn't know. In the very first episode of Star Trek (not including the pilot) there is a tombstone Kirk in it which shows his name as James
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Kirk! I always thought it was interesting that his middle innitial was originally R (No idea what it stood for). Anyway, if you guys want to look into that-the episode is entitled "Where No Man Has Gone Before."
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I keep reading here about Hunter being replaced by Shatner, due his death ?....I have always been of the opinion that this occured after the fact, and that either he was at odds to work in tv rather than big screen films, and the second reason I have read, is that his wife was trying to work some personal managerial pressure for "My Star Husband ".....in any event, here is a brief on it.....
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So why was Hunter replaced by William Shatner as Enterprise captain after the first pilot? The official reason given at the time is that Hunter decided not to do the series, but wished to work on feature films rather than TV, as he had done most of his career. This version is still supported by some, including Bob Justman and Herb Solow in their Inside Star Trek (1996). They state that his wife Dusty Bartlett gave them the verdict: "This is not the kind of show Jeff wants to do, and besides, it wouldn't be good for his career. Jeff Hunter is a movie star." (page 63) At the time, Justman was First Assistant Director of the show (later co-producer), and Solow was Executive in Charge of Production for Desilu, where Trek was being made. This version is also supported in the book Star Trek Creator: The Authorized Biography of Gene Roddenberry (1994) by David Alexander, which includes the letter Roddenberry wrote to Hunter in which he states "I am told you have decided not to go ahead with Star Trek. This has to be your own decision, of course, and I must respect it." Roddenberry then asks Hunter if he would come back for "one day or two of shooting an additional action opening which can result in a fast, tightly cut, exciting film release." (page 225) Inside Star Trek states that Hunter refused to do this. (page 251) In Films and Filming magazine of April 1962, Hunter stated his attitude toward working in TV when he said, "I haven't done too much TV, for two reasons. First, the nine years I was under contract my availability to television was controlled by the studio. Secondly, there is not much superior material to be found on TV. The man hours and the talent needed to turn this material out is far exceeded by the total number of hours that must be programmed to fill time." So he was probably ambivalent about working on Trek in the first place.
Yet strangely, other "insiders" insist that Hunter did not return for another reason. Leonard Nimoy says in his I Am Spock (1995): "Jeff Hunter was let go when his wife began to represent him and made what Gene (Roddenberry) considered excessive demands." (page 32) William Shatner amplifies this in his Star Trek Memories (1993) by saying that Hunter's wife "began to frequently storm into Gene's office, loudly making demands" about how Jeff was to be treated. Shatner continues, "Gene later told me that he'd much rather be dealing with Jeff and his agent, or even Jeff and a gorilla, than Jeff and his wife. He continued that there were so many tantrums, restrictions, and ultimatums being laid out on the table that he finally thought, 'Well, I can't possibly do an entire series like this. They'll drive me nuts.'" (page 70)
It's hard to get a definite answer to these conflicting statements. Who is correct? Justman, Solow, and Nimoy would have been there to know what was going on, and while Shatner came in later, he quotes the head honcho Gene Roddenberry as his source. In their book, Justman and Solow clearly dislike Roddenberry, but I can't see how that would likely influence their accuracy on this. It's also possible that someone has been hiding the truth
about the matter, perhaps to assuage hurt feelings. My current guess is that the truth is somewhere in between the two versions. Possibly, frictions between the various people involved led Hunter to wish to leave the show, giving as his reason that he wanted to go back to feature films. Or it may be that Hunter announced he was not returning after Roddenberry had already decided not to ask him back, so that both versions were given by different people as the reason for his leaving. All I can do at this point is speculate, so it remains a mystery.
Here is where I found this stuff............
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I keep reading here about Hunter being replaced by Shatner, due his death ?....I have always been of the opinion that this occured after the fact, and that either he was at odds to work in tv rather then big screen films, and the second reason I have read is that his wife was trying to work some personal managerial pressure for "My Star Husband ".....in any event, here is a brief on it.....
Yeah, he died after the decision was made to with Shatner (for one reason or another). The only reasons I have ever heard are the same one's in Rifleman's quote. I just looked it up and he died in 1969 (I guess I was off). In fact, Hunter died just about a week or so before the final episode of Star Trek was aired.
Also, if you guys want to look into Hunter's career-here is a web site that I found:
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Rifleman and Richie B16, I stand corrected concerning the reason why Hunter was not in the orginial Star Trek series. I guess his death is part of Star Trek folklore, thanks for setting me straight.
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According to Trek history, there was another captain of the Enterprise NCC-1701 before Pike and Kirk. For ten bonus points, can you name him?
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The Enterprise was originally commanded by Captain Robert April, then Christopher Pike, and finally James Kirk.
Also, following Kirk-don't forget that Captain William Decker was given command of the Enterprise but never served as the captain during a mission.
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Worf: captain of the Defiant in some later DS9 episodes just as Dax (the old Dax).
Sisko takes care of the station's guns in those episodes
I imagine, for a person to qualify, a 'temporary' appointment wouldn't be sufficient, otherwise they would be crawling out of the woodwork ie: Riker, Data, Harry Kim, Tuvok, Spock, Scottie.......need I go on. They would have to have been 'appointed' Commander of a ship (or post) by Star Fleet Command and hold the rank of Captain (or at least Commander - as in the case of Cisco before he was promoted.
Rifle, my apologies. You are correct. I had heard that Shatner got the job for that reason. Obviously a misguided or misquoted idea from someone years ago, started it off.
I don't know much of Hunter other than his superb performance in 'King of Kings' and his cameo in 'The Longest Day'. So I wouldn't have known which year he died, other than it was in the '60's.
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It seems that not many people here have seen the pilot episode featuring Hunter as Captain Pike.
Personally, I thought that he did a good job as the captain and often wonder who the series would have been had he been the captain throughout.
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You guys are gonna make me dig out my Star Trek book....
I have a great one, telling all about these things....then, I'm gonna have to install my scanner so I can get this info to you all. It explains all about the troubles which the series had from show to show..........tells of the "whys and hows" of all the things which occured from start to finish of the entire TOS....
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You guys are gonna make me dig out my Star Trek book....
I have a great one, telling all about these things....then, I'm gonna have to install my scanner so I can get this info to you all. It explains all about the troubles which the series had from show to show..........tells of the "whys and hows" of all the things which occured from start to finish of the entire TOS....
The Paramount 'Star Trek' site
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It seems that not many people here have seen the pilot episode featuring Hunter as Captain Pike.
Personally, I thought that he did a good job as the captain and often wonder who the series would have been had he been the captain throughout.
The problem with judging from the 'original' pilot is that basically the entire episode takes place off the ship, between Pike, the captive Girl and the Aliens. You don't see him iteract with the crew much at all. What you see of the crew is without Pike, and out of contact with him. So it's difficult to say what sort of leader ot tactician or 'whatever' he would have been, as there is nothing to really go on.
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FOUND IT !..........
This is called.... "INSIDE STAR TREK - THE REAL STORY"
its by :
Herbert F. SOLOW - Vice Pres of Desilu, Vice Pres of Paramount TV, and Executive in Charge of Production of the original Star Trek series......he was responsible for the sale, development and production of both pilots and the following series. Gene Roddenberry, the cast,the crew and all the studio personnel all reported directly to him.
Robert H. Justman - Associate Producer and later Co-Producer, worked hand in hand with Gene Roddenberry , was in charge of and responsible for all phases of pre-production, production, and post-production of both pilots and the series.
These guys should have known their stuff..... now, ask away.........
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The problem with judging from the 'original' pilot is that basically the entire episode takes place off the ship, between Pike, the captive Girl and the Aliens. You don't see him iteract with the crew much at all. What you see of the crew is without Pike, and out of contact with him. So it's difficult to say what sort of leader ot tactician or 'whatever' he would have been, as there is nothing to really go on.
Thats a good point that I didn't consider. When you mention crew interactions it made me think. Another problem with trying to judge Pike's would be success is not only do you see him minimally interact with
his
crew, but you really don't see him interact with
the
crew. By that I mean that the only crew member from the "original" series is Spock-no one else is there (McCoy, Scotty, ect). So, another question we must ponder is how would Pike's personality worked with the crew featured in the series itself.
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