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Question: Ok folks,Which captain is best?

Kirk    
  5 (26.3%)
Picard    
  12 (63.2%)
Sisko    
  1 (5.3%)
Janeway    
  1 (5.3%)
Archer    
  0 (0.0%)
Pike    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 19
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Reply #15 - Sep 17th, 2003 at 1:53pm

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  I don't know how you can omit Pike from the list?
  With all due respect to Captain Sulu, I don't think an entire episode was built around him as was done with Pike.

  As we all know, Geoffery Hunter was to play the captain of the Enterprise in the original series.  But sadly he was killed, I believe in an auto accident, between the shelving of the original pilot and when the series was revived by the network.  Had Mr. Hunter played the role I don't think that it would have change any of the story lines but certainly it would have change how we perceived the character.
 
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Reply #16 - Sep 17th, 2003 at 2:09pm

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you think kirk was a good tactician? picard, now there was a good tactician, and he of course came up with the picard manuver, which only data could come up with a counter for, and i believe he remained the only one who could stop that manuver.
 
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Reply #17 - Sep 17th, 2003 at 2:16pm

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Ok, Pike is now on the list. To be honest, I've never seen the original pilot episode.

Actually, Pike appears in another episode besides the pilot.  They use a lot of clips from the pilot episode to make the only 2 part episode of the original series.  That episode was entitled "The Menagerie" and they use the clips and plot from the pilot to create an epsode that centers around Spock trying to help his first captain and committing treason in the process.
 
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Reply #18 - Sep 17th, 2003 at 2:27pm

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Reply #19 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 12:49am

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Since Pike was deemed a tad too agressive for a "Peaceful Mission" commander, he was replaced by a more compassionate Kirk........As the record shows, Tiberious was more of a "Lover" than a "Fighter", but thats not to say he wasn't a good tactician....witness the " Corbomite Maneuver ".........

There was only one......Tiberious !



Don't get me wrong, Rifle. I love TOS, as I've said, but as someone has pointed out, Kirk only got the part because Hunter died.

I know Tiberius is Kirk's 'middle' name. Why do you refer to him as that?

Also, if William Shatner is 6 feet tall, I'm eight feet.............lol Grin Wink
 

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Reply #20 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 1:11am

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Ya know, I don't know if Kirk was a better captain than Pike would have been-but I'm sure glad they made the change.  Had they not done that-Star Trek probably would have died right along with Hunter in 1967 (I think he died in 67). 

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I know Tiberius is Kirk's 'middle' name. Why do you refer to him as that?

Here's an interesting fact that I'll bet you didn't know.  In the very first episode of Star Trek (not including the pilot) there is a tombstone Kirk in it which shows his name as James R. Kirk!  I always thought it was interesting that his middle innitial was originally R (No idea what it stood for).  Anyway, if you guys want to look into that-the episode is entitled "Where No Man Has Gone Before."
 
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Reply #21 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 1:53pm

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You forget some:

Worf: captain of the Defiant in some later DS9 episodes just as Dax (the old Dax).
Sisko takes care of the station's guns in those episodes
 

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Reply #22 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 2:55pm

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I keep reading here about Hunter being replaced by Shatner, due his death ?....I have always been of the opinion that this occured after the fact, and that either he was at odds to work in tv rather than big screen films, and the second reason I have read, is that his wife was trying to work some personal managerial pressure for "My Star Husband ".....in any event, here is a brief on it.....

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So why was Hunter replaced by William Shatner as Enterprise captain after the first pilot? The official reason given at the time is that Hunter decided not to do the series, but wished to work on feature films rather than TV, as he had done most of his career. This version is still supported by some, including Bob Justman and Herb Solow in their Inside Star Trek (1996). They state that his wife Dusty Bartlett gave them the verdict: "This is not the kind of show Jeff wants to do, and besides, it wouldn't be good for his career. Jeff Hunter is a movie star." (page 63) At the time, Justman was First Assistant Director of the show (later co-producer), and Solow was Executive in Charge of Production for Desilu, where Trek was being made. This version is also supported in the book Star Trek Creator: The Authorized Biography of Gene Roddenberry (1994) by David Alexander, which includes the letter Roddenberry wrote to Hunter in which he states "I am told you have decided not to go ahead with Star Trek. This has to be your own decision, of course, and I must respect it." Roddenberry then asks Hunter if he would come back for "one day or two of shooting an additional action opening which can result in a fast, tightly cut, exciting film release." (page 225) Inside Star Trek states that Hunter refused to do this. (page 251) In Films and Filming magazine of April 1962, Hunter stated his attitude toward working in TV when he said, "I haven't done too much TV, for two reasons. First, the nine years I was under contract my availability to television was controlled by the studio. Secondly, there is not much superior material to be found on TV. The man hours and the talent needed to turn this material out is far exceeded by the total number of hours that must be programmed to fill time." So he was probably ambivalent about working on Trek in the first place.

Yet strangely, other "insiders" insist that Hunter did not return for another reason. Leonard Nimoy says in his I Am Spock (1995): "Jeff Hunter was let go when his wife began to represent him and made what Gene (Roddenberry) considered excessive demands." (page 32) William Shatner amplifies this in his Star Trek Memories (1993) by saying that Hunter's wife "began to frequently storm into Gene's office, loudly making demands" about how Jeff was to be treated. Shatner continues, "Gene later told me that he'd much rather be dealing with Jeff and his agent, or even Jeff and a gorilla, than Jeff and his wife. He continued that there were so many tantrums, restrictions, and ultimatums being laid out on the table that he finally thought, 'Well, I can't possibly do an entire series like this. They'll drive me nuts.'" (page 70)

It's hard to get a definite answer to these conflicting statements. Who is correct? Justman, Solow, and Nimoy would have been there to know what was going on, and while Shatner came in later, he quotes the head honcho Gene Roddenberry as his source. In their book, Justman and Solow clearly dislike Roddenberry, but I can't see how that would likely influence their accuracy on this. It's also possible that someone has been hiding the truth  
about the matter, perhaps to assuage hurt feelings. My current guess is that the truth is somewhere in between the two versions. Possibly, frictions between the various people involved led Hunter to wish to leave the show, giving as his reason that he wanted to go back to feature films. Or it may be that Hunter announced he was not returning after Roddenberry had already decided not to ask him back, so that both versions were given by different people as the reason for his leaving.  All I can do at this point is speculate, so it remains a mystery.  


Here is where I found this stuff............http://www.testermanscifi.org/JeffreyHunterPart1.html
 

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Reply #23 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 3:05pm

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I keep reading here about Hunter being replaced by Shatner, due his death ?....I have always been of the opinion that this occured after the fact, and that either he was at odds to work in tv rather then big screen films, and the second reason I have read is that his wife was trying to work some personal managerial pressure for "My Star Husband ".....in any event, here is a brief on it.....

Yeah, he died after the decision was made to with Shatner (for one reason or another).  The only reasons I have ever heard are the same one's in Rifleman's quote.  I just looked it up and he died in 1969 (I guess I was off).  In fact, Hunter died just about a week or so before the final episode of Star Trek was aired.

Also, if you guys want to look into Hunter's career-here is a web site that I found: http://www.jeffreyhuntermovies.com/
 
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Reply #24 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 3:54pm

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  Rifleman and Richie B16, I stand corrected concerning the reason why Hunter was not in the orginial Star Trek series.  I guess his death is part of Star Trek folklore, thanks for setting me straight.
 
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Reply #25 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 5:58pm

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According to Trek history, there was another captain of the Enterprise NCC-1701 before Pike and Kirk. For ten bonus points, can you name him? Wink
 

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Reply #26 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 6:55pm

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The Enterprise was originally commanded by Captain Robert April, then Christopher Pike, and finally James Kirk.

Also, following Kirk-don't forget that Captain William Decker was given command of the Enterprise but never served as the captain during a mission.
 
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Reply #27 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 8:59pm

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I imagine, for a person to qualify, a 'temporary' appointment wouldn't be sufficient, otherwise they would be crawling out of the woodwork ie: Riker, Data, Harry Kim, Tuvok, Spock, Scottie.......need I go on. They would have to have been 'appointed' Commander of a ship (or post) by Star Fleet Command and hold the rank of Captain (or at least Commander - as in the case of Cisco before he was promoted.  Grin Wink

Rifle, my apologies. You are correct. I had heard that Shatner got the job for that reason. Obviously a misguided or misquoted idea from someone years ago, started it off.
I don't know much of Hunter other than his superb performance in 'King of Kings' and his cameo in 'The Longest Day'. So I wouldn't have known which year he died, other than it was in the '60's.
Thanks for the info.     Grin Wink Grin Wink
 

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Reply #28 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 9:44pm

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It seems that not many people here have seen the pilot episode featuring Hunter as Captain Pike. 

Personally, I thought that he did a good job as the captain and often wonder who the series would have been had he been the captain throughout.
 
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Reply #29 - Sep 18th, 2003 at 10:35pm

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You guys are gonna make me dig out my Star Trek book....
I have a great one, telling all about these things....then, I'm gonna have to install my scanner so I can get this info to you all. It explains all about the troubles which the series had from show to show..........tells of the "whys and hows" of all the things which occured from start to finish of the entire TOS....
 

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