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Sep 9th, 2003 at 1:56pm

Fozzer   Offline
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...here we go again...!
Start saving up our pennies for some REALLY BIG fines... Wink...!
...(tens of thousands of dollars...).... Cry....!!!

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1st Suits Filed vs Online Music Swappers


Posted: September 8, 2003 at 12:28 p.m.
Updated: September 9, 2003 at 9:12 a.m.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The targets of the first lawsuits against music fans who share songs on the Internet include an elderly man in Texas who rarely uses his computer, a Yale University professor and an unemployed woman in New York who says she didn't know she was breaking the law.

Each faces potentially devastating civil penalties or settlements that could cost them tens of thousands of dollars.

The Recording Industry Association of America launched the next stage of its aggressive anti-piracy campaign Monday, filing 261 federal lawsuits across the country. The action was aimed at what the RIAA described as "major offenders" illegally distributing on average more than 1,000 copyrighted music files each, but lawyers warned they may ultimately file thousands of similar cases.

Durwood Pickle, 71, of Richardson, Texas, said his teenage grandchildren downloaded music onto his computer during their visits to his home. He said his grown son had explained the situation in an earlier e-mail to the recording industry association.

"I didn't do it, and I don't feel like I'm responsible," Pickle said in an interview. "It's been stopped now, I guarantee you that."

(Copyright 2003 by the Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 2:01pm

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Roll Eyes  Don't even get me started on this one.

I'm curious though...why is it ONLY the Recording Industry that's doing this?  I mean, surely there are people out there who have games they've downloaded, or movies, television shows....

I used to download music, I'll admit it.  But when this became the issue that it was, I erased them all and got rid of Kazaa, as well.

Soon, the new Napster will be in place, and I plan on (depending upon how reasonable they are) subscribing so that I can download the music I want, when I want it.

If that isn't the option I'm hoping it will be, you had better believe that I'll be buying all my CDs from the second hand music scene, so as to not give another cent to the RIAA. Angry
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 2:03pm

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This should be interesting to watch.....

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Reply #3 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 2:12pm

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Buggar...!
I've just downloaded "Santa Claus, you ****", by Kevin Wilson*... Grin...!
..'trubble is...
I don't think my Old Age Pension will stretch to a ten thousand dollar fine... Cry...!
...( a quick listen, then a quick delete is the order of the day...).... Wink...!

LOL...!

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Reply #4 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 4:00pm

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Durwood Pickle?
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Reply #5 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 5:12pm

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*smirk* Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Smiley Grin Grin Smiley Grin Grin Smiley


Thats what I was thinking too!  Grin Grin
I think I would be more embarassed about my name being published then being fined!
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 5:25pm

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I don't think realistically that these people will be able to stop the P2P system. They created it by over-charging for so long, and now they want their monopoly back!
I personally don't download as my machine can be inspected at any time by the police here! So I'd rather not face a fine on my meager wages Grin Need all the dough for bits of wood.... ah another fuselage rib will be finished this weekend 8)
I do however play CDs on my machine whilst working sometimes, and XP automatically turns them into MP3s on the HD, does this count I wonder? Probably not as I own the CDs, but who knows with these legal loonies!
As Will says, this should be fun to watch...

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Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 5:36pm

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Thats what I was thinking too!  Grin Grin
I think I would be more embarassed about my name being published then being fined!


LOL...!

It could only originate from the good old U.S. of A. and especially the State of Takes-Us.... Grin...!
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Reply #8 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 8:27pm

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I do however play CDs on my machine whilst working sometimes, and XP automatically turns them into MP3s on the HD, does this count I wonder? Probably not as I own the CDs, but who knows with these legal loonies!


  As long as you own the original copy, you can legally make backup copies for yourself, or transfer the music to an MP3 player, but if you distribute those copies to your friends you are breaking the law, at least that is what I have come to understand.

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a Yale University professor and an unemployed woman in New York who says she didn't know she was breaking the law. 


1. A Yale professor should not only know better, but should certainly be able to afford to buy CD's!
2. Anyone who has a computer or a TV set KNOWS they are breaking the law by downloading music, it's not like it hasn't been in the news for MONTHS now, they even warned people ahead of time to give them a chance to clear their systems of any illegally obtained files.

  Anyone that gets busted now, I say they deserve it if they didn't heed the warnings and continued to download.

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  mmmm....BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
 

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Reply #9 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 8:31pm
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HEY,if the music industry is so poor, how do they have the money to complain?
 
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Reply #10 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 10:43pm

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Better watch it Fozzer.  You Cut and Pasted that article without permission.  You could be sued and end up with a hefty fine for bootlegging articles off of the web...
 

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Reply #11 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 11:01pm

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.....yet they can't stop child pornographers!
I don't mind paying for it, if they establish a system(which I think I read the Music industry has finally realized). Give the people what they want! Duuuuh!   It's the musicians that oppose the idea entirely "our album needs to be listened to entirely to be appreciated!", that get my goat. A little vain are we? I like to make CD's with just music that I want, and not have to hit the skip button to get past the cr*p!  As for the poor souls you mentioned, GOOD LUCK! Sounds like they're in a bit of a pickle though.   tee hee hee  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 10th, 2003 at 5:48am

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I'm in two minds over the whole thing. It's not such a big issue here, but I have heard all the fuss about it in the US.

The fact of the matter is, that it's ALWAYS been illegal to make unauthorised copies of copyrighted material. In this case we're talking about music.
When we used to tape the records on the old '3 in one' we were 'breaking the Law' and could be sued, however, only for the amount of money that the copyright owner had been 'diddled' because of the loss of sales caused by the 'illegal taping' i.e. the cost of one cassette of the material.

I am still a memeber of APRA (Australian Performing Rights Association). There is a 'affiliate' organisation in every country. I have written some music, that back in the '70's did bring in some royalties (nothing to speak of......but), the way it works is all the Radio Stations., TV stations, Concert venues and even Churches pay 'calculated fee' each year to the organisation to cover the 'public performance' aspect of copyrighted music, from rock to gospel etc, and that money is distibuted to the owners of the songs, according to a formula based on the amount of airtime, public usage etc, of the song. (A big job working that out, I can imagine)

As far as people 'duplicating' a product to save buying it goes, I feel it's the same as burning a copy of CFS or FS to save the money. And we all know how we feel about the people who do that here.
I know it's probably because I have been on the other end if the rope (albeit in a very limited way), that I think the people who do this deserve to be prosecuted.

It is unfortinate that technology has made it so easy for 'ordinary citizens' to 'mass produce' stolen material, and feel that they are not doing anything all that wrong. But they are.

Would you photcopy a book and give a 'bound file of the copies' as a gift to someone? No, it's clearly a copyright infringement. Well.......copying a CD onto another CD, tape or whatever is illegal, UNLESS it's for your own private use and you have the ORIGINAL.  Grin Grin Wink

It's amazing the amount of people who don't realise that they are breaking the law by taping a movie on their VCR from the TV. But they are.
There are very few shows on TV which are not covered by a copyright of some sort.
I think you can tape the News, in some countries. Whoopie doooo!!  Grin Grin Wink
 

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Reply #13 - Sep 10th, 2003 at 6:04am

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  It's the musicians that oppose the idea entirely "our album needs to be listened to entirely to be appreciated!", that get my goat. A little vain are we? I like to make CD's with just music that I want, and not have to hit the skip button to get past the cr*p!  


LOL. I know what you mean.  Grin Wink

There is a solution. John Lennon did it in 1980 on his Double Fantasy album.
All HIS good stuff was on side one, and all HER crap was on side two.

Funny no-one has caught on yet. But then what would be the fate of the "filler" (the name given to the little 'ordinary' pieces between the decent 4 or 5 songs on a 12 song album).........lol Grin Wink Grin

I only buy 'Greatest Hits' albums, for that very reason.
Except the Beatles, of course, where their "fillers" are as good as anyone elses "features"........lol.
 

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Reply #14 - Sep 10th, 2003 at 8:47am

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gotta agree with the album reason, i have about 10 albums, that i only bought because of two or three songs, so that means i paid over $120's for the equivalent of a single album of songs i listen to, thats where the internet has helped people, i dont mind paying for a service as long as its of a high quality.
you all know the way round this? all you have to do is turn off the shareing option in Kazza, that means the investigators cant download the required files so they cant proove that you have them, they even have stated this themselves, as long as a person isnt SHARING the files, thats the main illeagal part.
 
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