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Reply #15 - Sep 12^th, 2003 at 9:52am

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There was of course the time when 98 British regulars took on 6000 Zulu warriors..... And won Wink

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Let's see. 98 Brits, most likely with rifles and lots of ammunition, most likely hidden inside a fort of some description against a bunch of natives with spears and B.O.

Gee, who's gonna win?

But seriously: it amazes me how just a few can fight back the hordes, even when they know they're going to lose. And let's face it, no one really believes they're gonna survive with 6000 chanting natives surrounding them.

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Reply #16 - Sep 13^th, 2003 at 3:02am

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There was of course the time when 98 British regulars took on 6000 Zulu warriors..... And won Wink

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But the Zulus didn't have firearms! Grin

Sorry, someone's already pointed that out.

There is the battle of Long Tan in Vietnam. Two Australian Platoons against a Regiment of VC, which ceased to exist as a Unit afterwards.

From 1969 onwards, the VC and elements of the NVA were under instructiuons not to engage Australain troops.
Our blokes virtually walked through the jungles with impunity.

Very brave men. Shocked

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Reply #17 - Sep 13^th, 2003 at 3:19am

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Actually some of them did Wink

I personally wouldn't want to take on 6 Zulu warriors if I was armed with a Gatling gun and they had pea shooters LOL.

My point was.... I've forgotten. Embarrassed

The Battle of Rourke's Drift, to which I was referring, was on the 22-23 Jan 1879 when a single company of Infantry held a farm house against 4000 Zulu's, not 6000(sorry). And for those of you making wisecracks about Rifles vs Natives, what exactly happened to Custer?

The company in question had been detached from the 24th foot a few days previously. The 24th were wiped out by Zulu warriors at the battle of Isandlwana. They had artillery support and various contingents of native troops and local cavalry with them.

Finally as you pointed out to me Brensec, the Martini Henry was not a repeating Rifle. This means that once the 4000 Zulus got close enough it was 400 to one, both sides armed effectively with spears.

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Reply #18 - Sep 13^th, 2003 at 3:23am

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But the Zulus didn't have firearms! Grin

Sorry, someone's already pointed that out.

There is the battle of Long Tan in Vietnam. Two Australian Platoons against a Regiment of VC, which ceased to exist as a Unit afterwards.

From 1969 onwards, the VC and elements of the NVA were under instructiuons not to engage Australain troops.
Our blokes virtually walked through the jungles with impunity.

Very brave men. Shocked

Makes you awfully proud to be Aussie, hey Professor!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #19 - Sep 14^th, 2003 at 2:38am

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Makes you awfully proud to be Aussie, hey Professor!!!!!!!!!!!!

It does mate, it does indeed. 8)

I lived next door to a 'highly decorated' Digger who as in Vietnam. I was a kid, but he used to bring home stuff for my brither and I. we got Slouch hats, all sorts of insignia, giigle hats etc.
He was involved in that battle and, as I said was highly decorated. he said they didn't know they had won such a great victory until the next day when they went and counted the VC bodies, there were over 500. Cry

Pride, but also tears for very brave men on the losing side. Cry

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Reply #20 - Sep 15^th, 2003 at 3:46pm

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Custer - for all his flamboyance, made a serious tactical and strategic mistake. He was in the open, for starters, in an area where his location could be approached under cover of terrain - depressions, ravines, etc. The "Natives" were seasoned warriors, armed with weapons reasonably as good as Custer's soldiers. He could have waited for reinforcements, but didn't. A lot has been written on Custer, the conclusion points to a disastrous blunder.

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And for those of you making wisecracks about Rifles vs Natives, what exactly happened to Custer?

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Reply #21 - Sep 16^th, 2003 at 12:32am

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Custer was a drunken fool Roll Eyes

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Reply #22 - Sep 16^th, 2003 at 5:29am

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I haven't done much reading on the 'Little Bighorn' incident, but have done some and seen a Doco or two. I have seen a History Channel Biography on Custer.

For my limited knowledge, I can tell you that Crazy Horse's men were armed with Winchester repeaters. The same as the 'Cavalry' were. Some even had revolvers for close quarters fighting.
As Felix says, what he did, seemed more an act of suicide than anything else. Although some may see it as a level of contempt and refusal to believe that the 'Indians' of the day were anything but savages with no ability to wage 'modern' war at all. How wrong he was. And he should have known much better. Grin

If only he could have lasted a little longer in the Army. He would have been demoted even further, and not had command over so many men. Wink

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