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I have been assigned a project about WW1 at school and I have decided to cover the aerial side of the war. I decided to come here as I knew I would get a very good response. If you could submit any notes/essays
about WW1 Aerial Warfare I would be VERY grateful.
Thanks,
Flight-Captain
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I would suggest searching google or other search engines, I know you will probably find everything you could ever want to know about WWI on the web.
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Flight-Captain, sounds like an exciting project (wish my history teacher had been that cool), a quick Q. though.
Are you going to focus on the;
men
machines
evolution
of aerial warfare?
Let us know and I'm sure we can all help
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my history project was on this in year 10. spent 4 weeks on it, 6000 words, marked by a student teacher got a D. the dumb ass didnt know what a plane was let alone what the entire air war was about. luckaly my history teacher himself double checked it and i got a B.
i'll gladly help where i can.
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Sep 1
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One of the best places to try is a library. There's a book called "Flight, 100 Years of Aviation" by R.G. Grant. It has an excellent section on WWI aviation.
Books are probably the best resource unless you find a really good website.
I only pretend to know what I'm talking about. Heck, that's what lawyers, car mechanics, and IT professionals do everyday.
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The "dogfight" originated in WWI. At first airplanes were only used for observation. They were not very maneuverable, they didn't have to be. Eventually, situations arose, where two observation aircraft from opposing sides would confront each other. Pilots began carrying pistols, so that they could try and shoot the enemy pilots in these situations. Then some guy got the bright idea to mount a more powerful gun than a pistol on an airplane. Imagine trying to shoot another pilot in a moving airplane, FROM a moving airplane, with just a pistol! Because the guns were bigger, they needed to be mounted to the airplane, as opposed to being carried by the pilot(like a pistol). This meant the pilot had to point the airplane at his opponent to shoot him. You can guess what happened next...........pilots now wanted more maneuverable airplanes, not the slow observation planes that they were using. From this, aerial duels, or "dogfights" came into being!
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Sep 2
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Thanks for the replies everyone...
To Ozzy: I was hoping to focus on the evolution of aerial warfare and how it changed.
To OTTOL thanks for the post, that's going straight in!
I searched for websites on Google but couldn't find any on the revolution of aircraft during WW1!
I'll make sure Simviation and you guys get thanks!
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One of the important "Landmarks" if WW1 aerial warfare was the invention of the interupting gear that allowed machine guns to fire through the propellor thus allowing them to be precisely alligned with the aircraft.
Further to what OTTOL has said initially the pilots were considered to be little more than chauffers for the observation officers. I'm not 100% sure of when the change took place but by the end of the war the roles had reversed.
I did a search on Google on Royal Flying Corps and found this interview of a pilot who joined a squadron in 1918 aged 19 years.
http://www.patrickwilson.com/RFC.html
I feel it gives a bit of a human perspective on the subject.
Will
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Whoah!
Thanks Smoke2much that was great I shall use that!
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No problems mate. I'm glad it was some use.
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wasnt the parachute also first used in WW1 by zepplin pilots who were given a chance to survive after being shot down
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Personally, I think you'd be better off focusing your thesis on one specific area of World War I aviation. So much was going on at that point.
I mean, aviation itself was less than 20 years old, you had zeppelins, balloons, airplanes...
Then you had dogfighting, parachutes, the Red Baron...
I'd have my topic be something like the role of aviation in early conflict, the evolution of early flight, or something like that...
But I'm a history freak, so I'm a bit odd to begin with. lol
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Sep 2
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Thanks guys......This is Gold! I can see that A*** already
Very Appreciated!
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Don't forget to come back and let us know how it went!
Good luck!
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What research have you done so far?
What will the thrust of your report cover?
Will you focus on the aerial dogfighting (which after all was really a secondary aspect of the use of air power)?
The REAL focus of aerial power in any war has always been the extension of the offensive arm (delivering ordnance as an extension of artillery), or extension of battle planners eyes - reconnaisance, observation, artillery spotting). Fighters developed to inhibit the other side's ability to carry out the primary roles, and to prevent the other side from preventing your side to carry out it's primary role.
While your topic is interesting, I worry about the line "If you could submit any notes/essays" which could lead a cynical mind to think that you're just going to take the responses here and write them up, with little, if any, verification of facts, issues and original comments.
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I have been assigned a project about WW1 at school and I have decided to cover the aerial side of the war. I decided to come here as I knew I would get a very good response. If you could submit any notes/essays
about WW1 Aerial Warfare I would be VERY grateful.
Thanks,
Flight-Captain
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I've always said I'm a cynic...Felix proves me right. lol I had that same thought, which is why I didn't lend anything too specific, rather I just guided him down the path.
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what felix said, remember to do the actual work for yourself:) we will happily help but the actual work needs to be yours, the research aswell:)
also the aircraft carrier was introduced. and some planes would be fired off of modified Gun platforms on battleships
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Personally, I think you'd be better off focusing your thesis on one specific area of World War I aviation. So much was going on at that point.
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While your topic is interesting, I worry about the line "If you could submit any notes/essays" which could lead a cynical mind to think that you're just going to take the responses here and write them up, with little, if any, verification of facts, issues and original comments.
My intent, just for the record, was to inspire him with a quick story, not supply directly transferable info. I think lines like "Then some guy got the bright idea to mount a more powerful gun than a pistol on an airplane", should illustrate that. I sure hope he doesn't paraphrase that!
In my mind, I see this as a younger member coming to a group of us standing around, and saying " I'm doing this paper.........." The first two responses were" go to the Library and look under "W" for world war 1, or "A" for airplane!" I think if he has any wherewithal, then he already knows how to use search engines and access the local library. I think maybe, he was looking for some of the guys to tell him some stories.
I used to the same technique with my students, you grasp their interest with a story that relates to the subject THEN you get out the technical manual.
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But I'm a history freak, so I'm a bit odd to begin with. lol Posted by: Flight-Captain Posted on: Sep 2nd
Somehow, I think you're in like company around here.
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You're probably right, Ottol.
You're a teacher? What do you teach? (And how do you put up with so many little craps at once?!? lol)
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Only ONE little crap at once! I WAS a CFI(part of the career aviation initiation ritual!) Basic learning theory is taught to ALL CFI's. It's a real "canned" program(typical FAA), but there are some good aspects you can use, if you know how to trim the fat. I would start off every lesson with a story, it helps get the student motivated. As opposed to reading verbatim, from the textbook(my point!)
Pat
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Whoah you guys!
I only asked here for guidance...if this is the kind of response people get for helping then there is something wrong with you lot...and finally, no I haven't copied directly from the posts!
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Sep 4
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People can get a little strange around here at times mate. Don't worry about it.
The major problem with large project such as WW1 is that the subject area is vast and the available information is spread over an equally huge area.
My advice with any essay is to reference it and add a bibliography at the back. I assume that if you are still at school they don't require you to reference your work just yet but if you stay on in higher education they will.
If you add your references they cannot get you for plagarism.
Will
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We don't mean you, or each other any ill-will. You know that analogy about us standing around in a circle, and you approaching and asking a question? Well, a more accurate analogy might be to say we're all sitting around in the Sim-viation Pub!
If you went down to your local pub and asked a bunch of old blokes "what was it like back in WWII", they'd pobably be stepping over each other to tell you war stories,and snapping at each other like old biddies."Invasion stripes was the I Idea of the British!, NO it wasn't, the French thought it up, cause they thought it would make the airplanes look faster, no you idiot, your American, what do you know...blah, blah, blah!!!" On that note, you might want to ask Fozzer what it was like in WWI.......................eeeewwww, just kidding, couldn't resist!
.............and yes fltcapn', there is definitely something wrong with this lot!!
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Word on the street is that Fozzer also has some great drawings in his sketchbook from his battles against the colonists during the American Revolution.
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Word on the street is that Fozzer also has some great drawings in his sketchbook from his battles against the
colonists
during the American Revolution.
NOTE: Hyp's post 'colonists' edited to Bold.
Ha haa!!! I've converted one of you to my way of thinking!!! Only several million more and the continent will be ours again LOL.
Will
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I didn't say he won. lol
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Oh... Oops.... Anyway you still referred to the American revolutionaries as colonists, thus I win a moral victory and immediately declare the discussion irrevocably closed.
Ner Ner Nee Ner Ner.
Will 8)
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Someone needs to read their history books once more. Even Americans call the original 13 states "colonies" so therefore, by definition, the residents are "colonists".
See, that's the problem with the English. They think they can just close a discussion. That's how this war began in the first place! lol
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I was being ironic, which is like chronic but more difficult to acheive with the written word.
For the record, and I'm saying this because it's what I think, not because I'm talking to an American, If I had been alive at the time and living out there, I would have fought with you guys. And this is from my analysis of the facts gleaned from reading history written from an
English
point of view.
Will
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Oh go eat a crumpet. lol
Hey, what are crumpets anyway?
(And for the record, I didn't even know you were English until about a week ago. I thought you were Canadian. lol)
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Crumpet:
A) A rather attractive woman.
B) A bread product that you toast and eat with lots of butter.
Will
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Both sound heavenly. lol
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I think that CApt kid is probably deleting this site from " My Favorites" right now!
Nice one about the Revolution Scott(the original Fozzer gouge, that is). Would you like some more ice with your cheap shot Sir?
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lol....Fozzer's in my list of all time favorite humans on the planet, and I'm sure by now he knows it.
Any comments I direct towards him, regardless of how lame they may be, are with the utmost respect and gratitude.
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I've noticed that he's "teflon coated", and gives as well as takes(in the abuse department)!
8) Actually, I throw the cheap shots out, just because I look forward to his reponse.
Didn't he do some work with the Montgolfier Bros. as well?
Or was it Dumont? That Cigar shaped blimp looks like something Fozzer might help design!!! 8)
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To be quite honest, I seem to remember hearing something in church about him being the first bird that was created.
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