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Which Bomber was best (hee hee hee) (Read 207 times)
Aug 15
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I have left three options open for people to add others and I have only included British and American Medium/Heavy bombers.
When Voting please consider the following;
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The Lancaster, tough and versatile. It eventually led to the Shackleton which was Britains last front line prop driven aircraft (and only retired a few years ago!).
Oh and it had 4 Merlin engines, 'nuff said
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I can't believe I'm saying this but the Lancaster.
It could fly father and carry a bigger load than the B-17. Although it wasn't armered as well, but hell, it flew at night. It would not break up as easily or the fuel would not leek like in the B-24. And nothin' sounds as pretty as a Merlin.
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I'm saying the B-17. Sure, she couldn't fly the farthest or carry the heavest load but it had an incredably successiful career. And when it came down to bringing the crew home and taking damage, no other aircraft comes close.
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These are very limiting choices .........I might think more along the lines of the Hustler, but then, its not in your list
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Aug 15
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The lanc and Wellington could take a fair beating as well. After the introduction of radar to Brittish bombers the RAF was able to bomb more accuratly at night than the USAAC could in daylight with the Norden. And then theres the Lancs adaptability to carry "special weapons"
ie "Grandslam" and the bouncing bomb.
I'll vote for the Lanc but the B-29 is noticably missing, though I'd probably still vote Lancaster 8).
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Aug 15
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These are very limiting choices .........I might think more along the lines of the Hustler, but then, its not in your list
8)
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Lancaster
For modern ones (because you mention WAS)
The BUFF, and still going strong after 40 years
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Aug 15
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The BUFF, and still going strong after 40 years
50 years?
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Aug 15
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From the list I would have to choose the Lanc.
Will. I think it would have been better to narrow it down a bit. Maybe Best WWII heavy bomber.
As the Hustler is included what about the good old Canberra, the jet equivalent of the Mossie. At one time no fighter could get anywhere near it.
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Aug 15
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good old Canberra,
One of the most beautiful aircraft ever
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Aug 15
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I voted for the Lanc, for the reasons already given by the other blokes.
But if the B29 was on the list, I would have to go for it.
20,000 lbs load, 4000 mile range, could outrun or 'over fly' most fighters, could fly higher than highest flak (correct me if wrong) radar controlled MG's and cannon. What more could you want from WWII bomber?
Pretty much invincible. It certainly made a terrible mess of Japan, before the A-bomb.
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Aug 15
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The B-29 should definetly be in there. I vote Lancaster though, the B-17 is pretty, but it's not what I'd want to do any serious bombing with. Besides, what's the most famous strike of World War II? The Dambusters.
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Aug 15
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I really wasn't looking for special treatment on additions, but since you had questioned " Which Bomber
was
best? "......I thought it may have been an appropriate inclusion since its no longer in service, but was almost untouchable by interceptors ...........can't deny its great part in the movie " Fail Safe "...............
"..............at least one of our bombers will get through ........"
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Aug 15
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The B-29 should definetly be in there. I vote Lancaster though, the B-17 is pretty, but it's not what I'd want to do any serious bombing with. Besides, what's the most famous strike of World War II? The Dambusters.
Famous strike?.....Suppose it depends on whether you mean the most daring, most successful, most memorable etc.
For success and memory, the Hiroshima drop must be the taker. But again, very little 'daring' on the part of the crews. It was hardly a dangerous run.
I recall that Lanc's were responsible for a raid against the Bismarks sister ship in a Norweigan fiord. They apparently got a hit with a 12,000 lb bomb (not sure). if that is so, it has to be one of the most successful in terms of the odds of a hit with a single bomb. (The Enola Gay could hardly have missed......)
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Famous Strike?
Wouldn't the Attack on Pearl Harbour be a 'famous' strike???
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Definitely! If you include 'infamous' in the list of proviso's I mentioned.
Also very successful too!
There was also a memorable strike on (I think Berlin), when 60 out of 180 B17's didn't come back. A pretty 'memorable' one too!
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I meant with just a few aircraft facing insurmounable odds. 29 out of 300 if I remember correctly, pretty low casualties for the 1940s, as far as Pearl Harbor is concerned. I've always had trouble accepting Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Enola Gay, Bocks Car etc. into World War II. For me, World War II was the last "honorable" conventional war and Enola Gay and everything after is more of a buffer zone for World War II and the Cold War than it is actually part of World War II.
But then there is always the Doolittle Raid. 71 out of 80 pilots survived? But the B-25 seems much more like a ground attack aircraft than it is a bomber.
Maybe some of us are voting favorite rather than best. If that's the case then I say D3A. Wait, Japanese... Never liked British bombers all too much; I've always prefered radials over in-lines, and we all know how the British are fond of their Merlins!
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Aug 16
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I seem to have caused contention, please not the Hee hee hee I added to the title of the poll. This was intentional.
I was thinking along the lines of WW2 heavies and added Hustler because I'd never heared of it (
) and I said I would make additions if people requested them.
Please note that the Avro Manchester is in the Poll, could there be a more disastrous attempt at a heavy bomber? The Manchester was more dangerous to it's crew than the enemy LOL.
I wanted to cause a debate, not blind slavery to the poll. Most would aggree that it will be, in most minds, a straight fight between the Lanc and the Fort.
On survivability for the crew the best British bomber was the Halifax, you had twice as much chance of surviving than if you were in a Lancaster.
So, ignore the poll, tell us what you think was the best Allied heavy and why. My list is:
Lancaster for looks and romance value (I don't want to marry one
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Halifax because it was safe
Wellington because of the geodedic structure and its adaptability.
B17 because it hammered the German war machine to mulch.
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How about the Ugliest bomber.
Got to be the Blenheim with that horrible nose. Looks like someone decided to remove a 'growth'......lol
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I love the Blenheim! Go outside and castrate yourself Brensec!
Huh.
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Never liked British bombers all too much; I've always prefered radials over in-lines, and we all know how the British are fond of their Merlins!
Not all British bombers had Merlins. The Stirling, Wellington, Halifax Marks III, VI and VII & the Lancaster Mark II had radials, usually the Bristol Hercules.
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I love the Blenheim! Go outside and castrate yourself Brensec!
Huh.
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I love the Blenheim! Go outside and castrate yourself Brensec!
Huh.
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Whilst no one would argue with the fact that the B-29 was the most advanced bomber to see service in WW2, its pressurised cabin and advanced fire control system where streets ahead of anything else flying, it only arrived at the end and only flew in one theatre of operations.
I, like Scorpion consider the B-29/A-Bomb combo to be the start of the cold war era rather than the end of WW2 era. In it’s first intended roll as a high altitude strategic bomber, the B-29 was disappointing and it really only started to have an impact when its roll was changed to medium altitude raids using incendiary bombs to cause huge firestorms.
The Lancaster is rightly considered to be the most successful heavy bomber of WW2. It served from 1942 onwards and was the only allied bomber capable of carrying the 22,000lb Grand Slam bomb.
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Hagar, I just mean that when you think of British aircraft in general, Merlin pops right in as a synonym.
Oh, and Hawker, I think your statement might be a bit unfair. To my recollection, the reason the B-29 failed so miserably in Japan was because of high altitude winds. Jet stream, maybe? Over Germany we could've popped a river of bombs right on the Reich's head! 8) Although maybe there's a jet stream in Germany too... ???
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Hagar, I just mean that when you think of British aircraft in general, Merlin pops right in as a synonym.
Oh, and Hawker, I think your statement might be a bit unfair. To my recollection, the reason the B-29 failed so miserably in Japan was because of high altitude winds. Jet stream, maybe? Over Germany we could've popped a river of bombs right on the Reich's head! 8) Although maybe there's a jet stream in Germany too... ???
Yes, there is a jetstream in germany too, helped you while going to the target.
And the B-29 did fail in the beginning because they bombed from high-altitude.
When they started firebombing tokyo they got more success, but that came because of unapporved tactics: flying a lot lower
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Well it seems lancaster wins pretty much.
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Yes, there is a jetstream in germany too, helped you while going to the target.
And the B-29 did fail in the beginning because they bombed from high-altitude.
When they started firebombing tokyo they got more success, but that came because of unapporved tactics: flying a lot lower
As for the 'firestorms' in Japan, the predominance of wooden housing and buildings was the real reason for the fact that the whole place went up so badly on every raid.
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Yes, there is a jetstream in germany too, helped you while going to the target.
And the B-29 did fail in the beginning because they bombed from high-altitude.
When they started firebombing tokyo they got more success, but that came because of unapporved tactics: flying a lot lower
As for the 'firestorms' in Japan, the predominance of wooden housing and buildings was the real reason for the fact that the whole place went up so badly on every raid
Boy, talk about "the rain on Ivan's parade!"
What does a bomber have to be, to stand out, beyond just an aerial ordanance dump truck? ??? I'm going with the Stuka, just for looks! I would have made a lousy engineer..."yeah, it looks cool, let's build it!" Although before the days of CAD, I think that was a bigger design element. The German's were living testament to the fact. I also chose the Stuka, because sometimes it's just more fun to drive head-on into traffic!
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