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Reply #15 - Aug 15th, 2003 at 11:10pm

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I really wasn't looking for special treatment on additions, but since you had questioned " Which Bomber was best? "......I thought it may have been an appropriate inclusion since its no longer in service, but was almost untouchable by interceptors ...........can't deny its great part in the movie " Fail Safe "...............

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Reply #16 - Aug 15th, 2003 at 11:44pm

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The B-29 should definetly be in there.  I vote Lancaster though, the B-17 is pretty, but it's not what I'd want to do any serious bombing with.  Besides, what's the most famous strike of World War II?  The Dambusters.


Famous strike?.....Suppose it depends on whether you mean the most daring, most successful, most memorable etc.
For success and memory, the Hiroshima drop must be the taker. But again, very little 'daring' on the part of the crews. It was hardly a dangerous run.

I recall that Lanc's were responsible for a raid against the Bismarks sister ship in a Norweigan fiord. They apparently got a hit with a 12,000 lb bomb (not sure). if that is so, it has to be one of the most successful in terms of the odds of a hit with a single bomb. (The Enola Gay could hardly have missed......)  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #17 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 1:20am

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Famous Strike?

Wouldn't the Attack on Pearl Harbour be a 'famous' strike???
 
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Reply #18 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 1:32am

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Definitely! If you include 'infamous' in the list of proviso's I mentioned.
Also very successful too!  Grin Grin Wink

There was also a memorable strike on (I think Berlin), when 60 out of 180 B17's didn't come back. A pretty 'memorable' one too!
 

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Reply #19 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 2:27am

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I meant with just a few aircraft facing insurmounable odds.  29 out of 300 if I remember correctly, pretty low casualties for the 1940s, as far as Pearl Harbor is concerned.  I've always had trouble accepting Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Enola Gay, Bocks Car etc. into World War II.  For me, World War II was the last "honorable" conventional war and Enola Gay and everything after is more of a buffer zone for World War II and the Cold War than it is actually part of World War II.

But then there is always the Doolittle Raid.  71 out of 80 pilots survived?  But the B-25 seems much more like a ground attack aircraft than it is a bomber.

Maybe some of us are voting favorite rather than best.  If that's the case then I say D3A.  Wait, Japanese...  Never liked British bombers all too much; I've always prefered radials over in-lines, and we all know how the British are fond of their Merlins! Roll Eyes Helldiver!  Yes, that's the ticket! Grin I love that little curve in the bottom of the rudder. Cheesy
 

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Reply #20 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 5:26am

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I seem to have caused contention, please not the Hee hee hee I added to the title of the poll.  This was intentional.

I was thinking along the lines of WW2 heavies and added Hustler because I'd never heared of it ( Sad) and I said I would make additions if people requested them.

Please note that the Avro Manchester is in the Poll, could there be a more disastrous attempt at a heavy bomber?  The Manchester was more dangerous to it's crew than the enemy LOL.

I wanted to cause a debate, not blind slavery to the poll.  Most would aggree that it will be, in most minds, a straight fight between the Lanc and the Fort.

On survivability for the crew the best British bomber was the Halifax, you had twice as much chance of surviving than if you were in a Lancaster.

So, ignore the poll, tell us what you think was the best Allied heavy and why.  My list is:

Lancaster for looks and romance value (I don't want to marry one Wink)

Halifax because it was safe

Wellington because of the geodedic structure and its adaptability.

B17 because it hammered the German war machine to mulch.

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Reply #21 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 5:30am

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How about the Ugliest bomber.

Got to be the Blenheim with that horrible nose. Looks like someone decided to remove a 'growth'......lol Grin
 

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Reply #22 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 6:35am

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I love the Blenheim!  Go outside and castrate yourself Brensec!

Huh.

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Reply #23 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 7:00am

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Never liked British bombers all too much; I've always prefered radials over in-lines, and we all know how the British are fond of their Merlins! Roll Eyes

Not all British bombers had Merlins. The Stirling, Wellington, Halifax Marks III, VI and VII & the Lancaster Mark II had radials, usually the Bristol Hercules.
 

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Reply #24 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 7:05am

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I love the Blenheim!  Go outside and castrate yourself Brensec!

Huh.

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How very nice!.................In fact, charming, I must say!

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Reply #25 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 11:01am

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I love the Blenheim!  Go outside and castrate yourself Brensec!

Huh.

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This is getting nuts.............. Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 11:52am

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Whilst no one would argue with the fact that the B-29 was the most advanced bomber to see service in WW2, its pressurised cabin and advanced fire control system where streets ahead of anything else flying, it only arrived at the end and only flew in one theatre of operations.
I, like Scorpion consider the B-29/A-Bomb combo to be the start of the cold war era rather than the end of WW2 era. In it’s first intended roll as a high altitude strategic bomber, the B-29 was disappointing and it really only started to have an impact when its roll was changed to medium altitude raids using incendiary bombs to cause huge firestorms.
The Lancaster is rightly considered to be the most successful heavy bomber of WW2. It served from 1942 onwards and was the only allied bomber capable of carrying the 22,000lb Grand Slam bomb.
 

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Reply #27 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 3:32pm

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Hagar, I just mean that when you think of British aircraft in general, Merlin pops right in as a synonym.

Oh, and Hawker, I think your statement might be a bit unfair.  To my recollection, the reason the B-29 failed so miserably in Japan was because of high altitude winds.  Jet stream, maybe?  Over Germany we could've popped a river of bombs right on the Reich's head! 8) Although maybe there's a jet stream in Germany too... ???
 

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Reply #28 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 4:30pm

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Hagar, I just mean that when you think of British aircraft in general, Merlin pops right in as a synonym.

Oh, and Hawker, I think your statement might be a bit unfair.  To my recollection, the reason the B-29 failed so miserably in Japan was because of high altitude winds.  Jet stream, maybe?  Over Germany we could've popped a river of bombs right on the Reich's head! 8) Although maybe there's a jet stream in Germany too... ???

Yes, there is a jetstream in germany too, helped you while going to the target.

And the B-29 did fail in the beginning because they bombed from high-altitude.
When they started firebombing tokyo they got more success, but that came because of unapporved tactics: flying a lot lower
 

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Reply #29 - Aug 16th, 2003 at 6:14pm

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Well it seems lancaster wins pretty much.
 
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