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question 'bout Spit and Hurri (Read 424 times)
Aug 5
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, 2003 at 3:46pm
Sock
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Just wondering some things about these two aircraft. I figured you guys like ozzy and Hawker would know them. I want to know how many kills each plane got. Doesn't have to be persice.
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Aug 5
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, 2003 at 4:03pm
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Sock. I think this subject has been done to death. LOL
Look through some of the older topics in this forum.
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Aug 5
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Lots and lots
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The Hurricane was credited with approximately 80% of the BoB kills (1440 of 1800). The Spitfire got most of the rest. I am not sure that there are figures out there for the whole war but remember that the Hurricane was put into a ground attack role whereas the Spitfire remained in an air superiority role.
Will.
PS the Hurricane was better..... (We haven't had this argument on here for at least 8 hours lol.)
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Aug 5
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, 2003 at 4:13pm
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Thanks Will. I prefer the Hurricane too.
Why did the post double? I didn't post it twice...
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Aug 5
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, 2003 at 4:24pm
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The Hurricane was the highest scoring aircraft of WWII so that should give you a good idea of how well it did.
P.s. I prefer the Hurricane also.
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Aug 5
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, 2003 at 5:49pm
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I seam to remember that the last time we had this argument, sorry discussion, that it turned out that the highest scoring plane of WW2 was the P-38.
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Aug 5
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, 2003 at 6:07pm
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Really? I know that all the highest scoring
American
aces flew P-38s but I don't think any other country flew the 38. You'd think it would be a toss up between the Hurri and Bf-109. We know the Hurricane shot down about 1440 (Thanks again Will!) but the 109 was in combat longer, faced poor planes in comparision, and was flown by the highest scroing ace of all time. That German fellow who's name I can't remember, but he shot down something like 357 planes! The Bf-109 was flown in combat for nearly six years, the Hurri for about five and the 38 for about four. ???
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Aug 5
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, 2003 at 6:22pm
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Really? I know that all the highest scoring
American
aces flew P-38s but I don't think any other country flew the 38. You'd think it would be a toss up between the Hurri and Bf-109. We know the Hurricane shot down about 1440 (Thanks again Will!) but the 109 was in combat longer, faced poor planes in comparision, and was flown by the highest scroing ace of all time. That German fellow who's name I can't remember, but he shot down something like 357 planes! The Bf-109 was flown in combat for nearly six years, the Hurri for about five and the 38 for about four. ???
Ah but the Bf109 only saw combat in europe, russia and north africa. The Hurricane saw combat in all of those and it served in the middle east, the pacific and was used as a carrier plane.
The P38 was only in combat for about 4 years and I don't think it was that successful.
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Aug 5
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, 2003 at 6:29pm
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I would agree with you both here where the P-38 is concerned. I didn't think it was the top scorer especially when you consider it didn't do too well in the European theater, but I think it was brensec who saw a docco about the P-38 that claimed it was "Top Dog". My money is still on the Spitfire if only because it was around in great numbers in all theaters and in the air to air roll from 1939 untill 1945 whilst the Hurricane changed jobs in 1941.
The 109 must be well up the table but so must be the P-51.
Just out of interest, I believe that the last air to air kill of WW2 was made by a pair of British Pacific Fleet Seafire L MkIII c's against a couple of Zeros on the very last day of WW2.
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Aug 6
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, 2003 at 12:12am
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Sock. I think this subject has been done to death. LOL
Look through some of the older topics in this forum.
sugg. Why don't you guys request to have a Spit vs Hurricane vs P51 vs........ Forum, to spare the rest of us this abuse. You could put it right after Cafe Simviation...............
.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
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Aug 6
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, 2003 at 12:18am
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That German fellow who's name I can't remember, but he shot down something like 357 planes!
352, Erich Hartmann is the name your looking for. But in the defense of the American AND the British Aces, it was against a bunch of under-trained Russian's flying recycled tin cans.
Don't seem to get too many Yak or Mig fanatics around here...........
.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
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Aug 6
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, 2003 at 5:33am
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sugg. Why don't you guys request to have a Spit vs Hurricane vs P51 vs........ Forum, to spare the rest of us this abuse. You could put it right after Cafe Simviation...............
No one is forcing you to read this topic you know. If you find it boring, don't read it, simple as that.
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Aug 6
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Aug 6
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, 2003 at 10:08am
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No one is forcing you to read this topic you know. If you find it boring, don't read it, simple as that.
Ewwwww, a little touchy are we? If you must know, the P51 was better! Yeah, yeah, yeah, without Rolls Royce blah, blah ,blah.................that's like saying "without B17 you would all be speaking German and eating Weiner Schnitzle."
.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
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Aug 6
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, 2003 at 10:45am
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Don't seem to get too many Yak or Mig fanatics around here...........
Hey now, the Yak-9 and MiG-3 are very beautiful airplanes!
The only really inferior Russian figther was the I-15, the I-16 was a very good fighter.
As for the P-38, I believe Dick Bong was the highest scoring American ace with 40 some odd kills. He flew a P-38 in the Pacific. But I still believe that the P-47 is the best fighter of all time.
Just my opinion.
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Aug 6
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, 2003 at 12:19pm
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The Yak 9 was and is a beautiful airplane, I'm just saying that the top scoring ace of all time reached that pinnacle on an easier battle front than the guys over in the Channel. And I have to agree, the P47 is a great airplane. I also adjectively agree that, the Spitfire is the best "looking" airplane of the war. 8)
.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
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Aug 6
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, 2003 at 4:53pm
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Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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