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Liquid Cooling vs Air Cooling (Read 1268 times)
Aug 4
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I've heard some things about people installing liquid cooling systems onto their computers. They've said that liquid cooling systems make your computer run cooler with virtually no noise and allow you to put in faster processors. My board can except an Athlon XP 2000 but my case cannot. So here are my questions.
-Does liquid cooling keep your system cooler then fans?
-Is it really quiter than fans?
-Is a liquid cooling system complicated to install and maintain?
-How much would such a system cost and would it be worth it?
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Aug 4
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for an XP 2000 Liquid cooling would probably not be worth it unless u were doing some overclocking. I am receiving my Liquid Cooling system in two days. it does keep it cooler then fans would. It is quiter, and I wouldnt try installing it urself, get a case with it already built in. My Liquid cooling system cost 370 dollars, and for me it would be worth it. I am not sure if it would be for you
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Aug 4
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I think it may be worth it for me. My current system is in an old Pentium II case. I've been playing FS2004 for an hour and the room is starting to get too warm. I'd better let her cool down.
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Aug 4
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a good way to get the temperature down is a new Heatsink with some nice thermal grease, here are links for AMD heatsinks and the best thermal grease i know of. If all your using your computer for is pretty much FS2004 I would go with a new heatsink.
http://www.svc.com/zalcnps6000c.html
http://www.svc.com/c22ghidethco.html
if you still want the liquid cooling...this is a case with everything pre installed all u have to do is put ur mother board harddrives and all that stuff into the case and put the cpu cooler on the CPU, and this model comes with a Video card cooler as well, you will still need the thermal grease either way. but thats only like 10 dollars.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swifquietpow1.html
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Aug 5
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Fan cooling seems to be the way to go. I've got something called a "Tornado" already hooked up to my CPU and it's huge. I think the majority of the noise comes from the fact that the case itself has no fans other than on the power supply. I think I may be able to cut a hole in my old case and install a side fan, new power supply, and new CPU. The computer guy I go to deals mostly in AMD so I might be able to get a good price on it. They sell side fans for $20 at Radio Shack so there's no problem there. Power supplies can be bough easily off the web.
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Aug 5
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good plan, and make sure if your gunna cut holes in your case, Take everything out, metal shavings on the components will fry everything. if u dont care what your case looks like like some people, cut holes in the front and holes in the back, intake from the front, air goes out the back. and its good that u have a nice Heat Sink
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Aug 5
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I don't think I'll have a problem with metal shavings. The outer case goes over the inner chassis like a hood unlike the newer models were you just remove a side panel. It would be easier to buy a new case but my old one is made from solid steel and is very durable unlike the new ones.
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Aug 5
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Aluminum is better for cooling
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Aug 6
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Well, I bought a new fan and installed it. Thank god it works because I had a heck of a time putting it in. When your parents own a construction company, tools tend to go missing so I had to do the job with what ever I found. The plus side is that the computer is actually quieter because the CPU fan has more room to breath.
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Aug 6
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well let me know how it works out for u
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I have not seen an actual computer liquid cooler. How cold does the cooling liquid get? But from what I know about cooling systems (HVAC being one of my specialities) there could be a problem with condensation particulary during periods of high humidity. I believe a good cabinet fan (exhaust) with increased CFM will suffice.
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Aug 7
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Hogan, my case, that i should get today, has four fans and I will probably add two more, I am positive there is no condensation. I will take a picture of the inside of my computer with the liquid cooling and post it here in a few days. I have heard a guy overclocked a AMD Athlon 1700+ which is i think 1.2 Ghz, to about 2 Ghz and his CPU was still about 40 Degrees C
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Aug 7
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almost forgot, my new case with the liquid cooling, doesnt have a window
, so I am gunna get a window kit and put one in myself, then some cold cathodes, most likely blue or green, will probably paint the case at some point
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Aug 8
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I Just finished installing the liquid cooling, i went from about 130-140 Degrees F to 70-80
thats like 30 Degrees C so I have some over clocking to do
. btw its almost silent its just the four fans I can barely hear
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Aug 8
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Good to hear your new system is working out for you. I've seen a 5 degree drop since installing the cooling fan so it's time to bring on the Athlon XP. The best deal I got was for $164.98CND for a 350W supply and a 1.7ghz processor.
I wouldn't overclock too much Swanny. I've seen a burnt out processor and it looked pretty messy. Even with your fancy cooling system, be sure to keep monitoring it. Good luck on your new hotrod computer.
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Aug 8
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thanks, and I have a Temperature Monitor on the way so i dont have to use any programs.
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Here are the pics i promised
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Nice setup Swanny. 8) Looks like you even have a cooler for your video card. I guess now your going to have to get an FX5900 so you can overclock the hell out of it.
I keep looking at the Koolance cases but the price is quite steep for a case with now power supply. I think the cheapest I saw was $310CND from TigerDirect.ca. I'm going to wait. With the upcomming release of the Pentium V, liquid cooled systems are sure to come down in price as their popularity rises.
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thanks, havnt started overclocking yet. need to, been lazy though
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I don't get into this Forum area all that often, as I'm not big into the Hardware scene, but Gees, I really was surprised to see that PCU's are now requiring Liquid cooling to keep them 'at temp'.
I'm a Refrigeration Mechanic by trade (although many years since I worked in the trade). The principals of heat transfer (or dissipation) are the same regardless of what you're wanting to cool or keep cool, and what you're using to do it.
I can't help imagining the horrible consequences of a Glycol leak, though (I presume Green Glycol is the coolant used).
One of the important governing factors in any 'cooling situation' is the ambient (surrounding) temperature of the item. You can go cutting wholes for ventilation (which can only help, even if only slightly) but if the temperature of the air outside the box is still relatively warm, there will be little benefit,
If anyone was to ask me the single most important factor (apart from the actual temp of the case inside), I would have to advise that keeping the surrounding air in the room (particularly around the PCU itself) as cool as possible. (Even if you have to wear a coat while you work on you Computer.....lol
5 - 10 degrees difference in ambient temp means 5 - 10 degrees further the the item has to go up in temp. before it 'overheats'.
For what it's worth!!
P.S. Of course liquid cooling will be far superior to air cooling, however I imagine the Glycol has to be run through a 'coil' of some type for the heat to be removed from it, before being recycled to the PCU. If this is the case, once again it can only be more efficient if the air over the coil (once again the ambient air) is as cool as I can be, within restraints.
In refrigeration, especially outdoors (Frig Vans ect) you have no control; over the ambient temp, but in a room in a house there are windows, air cond or in winter leaving the heat off etc.
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liquid is not required. just i do some major stuff on my computer that requires it. I am about to do some overclocking, I just did a tiny bit earlier today. about 200 Mhz difference at the moment.
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Without going into too much technical stuff. What is 'Overclocking'? ??? ???
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Without going into too much technical stuff. What is 'Overclocking'? ??? ???
Hi Bren...!
Overclocking is like when you are too tight to buy a car with a bigger engine, so you supercharge your little Mini and risk destroying it in the process...
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lol fozzer
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I read somewhere that liquid cooling systems use either water or a mixture of antifreeze and water.
My current room temperature is 78F due to electrical usage restrictions after last Thursday. It's usually between 68-72 in the winter and 74-78 in the summer.
Commenting on Brensec's Glycol leak statement. I would think any leak in a computer cooling system would be a disaster. Water conducts electricity and electrical short equals fire. I suppose if your cheap like me, you could buy a mini bar fridge and stick you computer in there. That's such a silly idea, it just might work. I'm not going to try it though.
I wonder what they use to cool super computers. I always thought they kept them in refrigerated rooms.
I still hold on to my prediction of liquid computer cooling becomming more common. AMD has already announced the release of it's Athlon 64 and there are rumors of a Pentium V comming soon. I know AMDs run quite hot already and although P4s run cooler, there is still a limit to what conventional aircooling can do in an enclosed area.
Just some thoughts. I never realised how complicated computer cooling was until I started this thread.
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The AMD Opteron 1.6 Ghz....500 dollars. Awesome
Super Computers... They are pretty much in a water resistant case so it cant leak, and a special type of non conductive fluid runs throughout the entire case and these things a friggen huge. I am almost sure there is a seperate part for all the RAM and another part for all the CPUs...
And on my liquid cooling it runs through a radiator, which has fans attached from the inside of the case. Gets rid of the heat then goes at the CPU and Graphics card again... Almost forgot, the liquid is part antifreeze part purified water. When I change the liquid, I am going to use Zerex Racing Super Coolant and Purified water. 5% Zerex Racing Super Coolant to 95% Water then I will add a little bit of UV Reactive die for when I get a UV light and put a window in 8)
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