Simviation Forum - Piece of cake (not)

Jul 30^th, 2003 at 5:51pm

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Well we finally got it together with the formation flying thing, after a quick break for Will to have a shower and mop around his joystick we leapt back into the skys over Canada, unfortunately the shot I took of our incredible formation take-off didn't come out Angry

So I'm lead ship....

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And a cool formation landing Grin

I'm exhausted, that was probably 2 hours of the toughest flying I've ever done. My hat is off to Will and Roger, truely talanted aviators, and a great laugh to fly with 8)

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Reply #1 - Jul 30^th, 2003 at 6:03pm

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I wish to join you sometime in the near future.

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Reply #2 - Jul 30^th, 2003 at 8:39pm

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We should organize a whole squad!(could do a BBMF)

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Reply #3 - Jul 30^th, 2003 at 8:53pm

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Reply #4 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 2:11am

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Will is working on a Hurricane for the BBMF, we'll let you know how it goes.
Anyone wanting to learn formation flying should first drink a silly amount of alcohol! This ain't easy, we've been doing 2+ hours a night for 3 days and we're still shaky Tongue

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Reply #5 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 2:25am

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i will do 4 plus a night if needed

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Reply #6 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 4:04am

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Swanny 2 hours is about the max, maybe 3 you can do this sort of flying. Your eyes ache and you are soaked in sweat by the end of a session. Unlike real formation flying there is no depth on FS so you have to concentrate 10 times as hard, and you have to fly instruments and visual simultaneously whilst keeping rock steady on speed altitude and bearing, and juggling the throttle to hold formation. Tough isn't the word.
But having said that, its worth it when it all comes together Grin

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Reply #7 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 4:47am

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Will is working on a hurricane for FS2k2. I'm at the "You double click on the G-Max icon, right?" stage at the moment.

I'd like to back up what Ozzy has said about endurance. This is really hard work. In the tests on 2k2 you have to keep within +/- 10 degrees, and +/- 100feet altitude and we all know how tricky the tests are bugs or not.

With formation flying you have to take into account what the other guy's are doing. When I was lead ship I was attempting to fly at 200kts, 2900feet and heading 060. I was able to trim to keep the VSI reasonably steady at +/- 40 feet per minute which in that model is reasonably good. If the other pilot is trimmed to the same standard and he is at +40 feet per minute and I am at -40 feet per minute you suddenly have a differential of 80 feet per minute and look very wobbly.

It's the same with speed and heading. To really make this work I think we all need three monitors to gain peripheral vision and voice comms so that the leader can keep the others constantly updated on heading, speed and altitude. It may also be worth flying slower than 200kts.

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Reply #8 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 5:02am

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Me and Woody tried that in B-52s once...LOL...what a joke! Wink

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Reply #9 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 9:28am

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For the official launch of my VA, we tried to do 3 737-500s in a missing man over NYC...

Yeah, good luck. lol

I agree...it's a lot harder than anyone would ever imagine, especially considering its just a game!

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Reply #10 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 11:13am

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Me and Woody tried that in B-52s once...LOL...what a joke! Wink

lol. We never got near each other in those! Grin

But always after the dogfights we did some formation flying. I don't remember it being that hard once we'd decided and speed and altitude. Tongue

But then, maybe i'm just a natural. Grin

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Reply #11 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 11:26am

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Are we good or are we good! Grin

I'm just going to back up what Will and Mark have said here. This is hard work. But to say we only started three days ago, I would say we are making great progress. Come show day we should be right on.
Flying Legends, here we come! Wink

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But always after the dogfights we did some formation flying. I don't remember it being that hard once we'd decided and speed and altitude.

Not sure how different FS2K2 flight models are from CFS2, but I found formations much easier in CFS2. Woody and a couple of other guys and I have flown good formations in CFS2 during the old SimV dog fights.

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Reply #12 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 8:46pm

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Me and three other FS pros tried some formation flying in the T-6 Aeroshell and barely pulled a missing man off it is harder than in real life because of the latency Undecided

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Reply #13 - Jul 31^st, 2003 at 9:36pm

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oi! that was hard that flight scott and a few of the times we were very close and even wing touching lol was fun even at 500 feet. lost the screenshots when my comp crashed half way through Cheesy

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