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More speed please (Read 190 times)
Jul 25
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, 2003 at 8:08am
HeavyMetal
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I recently started flying on VATSIM. ATC advised that a Boeing 777 will cruise nicely at 540 at FL320. I dialed the 540 into my speed selector and pressed the Speed Hold Button. At FL320, the aircraft held at around 350 and never made it to the 540 as selected on the Speed Hold Button and as suggested by aTC. BTW, ATC never advised that I was going to slow even though my Airspeed showed 350. What am I missing here??
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Jul 25
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540 seems awfully fast, especially since the airspeed indicator is represented in knots, rather than mph. This would mean that ATC advised you to go 621 mph.
As for your aircraft limitations, I don't know enough about F$ aircraft models to know what the problem is, but I would suspect that they've been designed to put somewhat of a limit on the speed you can fly, so as to not rip the airframe to shreds.
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Jul 25
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Go to your SETTINGS in SF and see if your have Indicated airspeed or Actual airspeed checked.
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Jul 25
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, 2003 at 10:49am
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540 sounds like a groundspeed in MPH, about mach .8. Look at your GPS to see what the groundspeed is in Knots and multiply that by .85 for MPH.
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Jul 25
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540 sounds like a groundspeed in MPH, about mach .8.
Could be, but why would ATC be giving him ANYTHING in mph, let alone groundspeed?
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Jul 25
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, 2003 at 12:44pm
WebbPA
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I can't imagine WHY they would tell him to go 540 but groundspeed is the only rate that makes any sense. The MS manual says cruise speed is 555 mph/ mach .84, and the MS manual always overrates performance.
He can only get up to 350 KIAS because the engines are maxed out. He should get an overspeed warning and an overstress crash long before he gets to 350 - unless he has this turned off.
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Jul 25
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Whats the difference between, indicated airspeed and actual airspeed?
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Jul 25
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, 2003 at 1:51pm
WebbPA
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It's one of those things you learn once and forget.
Indicated airspeed is how fast your ac thinks it's going. This is important for stall speeds and such.
Actual airspeed is how fast your ac is really going. This is important for calculating flying times.
Both of these vary with winds and air density (temp and altitude), so there's gound speed, which is pretty much self explanatory.
Since I've grossly oversimplified this, here's a boring scientific explanation
http://stoenworks.com/Tutorials/Understanding%20airspeed.html
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Jul 25
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Whats the difference between, indicated airspeed and actual airspeed?
I suck at explaining but okay
The pitot measures your speed, and a pitot is a tube shaped PRESSURE gauge, so basically it is sensitive to different air densities.
In fact, the IAS is only accurate at 15 degrees Celcius and 29.92 mercury.
When you increase your altitude, where the air DENSITY decreases, your TRUE airspeed will be consecutively higher than the INDICATED airspeed.
Did anybody understand, cause I kinda lost myself about 5-6 times
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Jul 25
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Yes. Good explination.
In FS, as the real world, the higher your altitude is, the harder it is for the aircraft to obtain "cruise" speed, due to the thinner air. You can probably make and hold 540 kts at FL200, but when you climb to, say, FL300, your speed will drop off
Atmospheric Physics 101.
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Jul 25
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thanks for all the help. This has sparked some interest I see. Yes, I was rather surprised that the ATC recommended an airspeed of 540 since I had never flown past 350 or so, and usually cruise at around 250. On my flightplan which I filed I indicated an airspeed of 250 and ATC suggested that I increase it to 540. Me being a NEWBIE at VATSIM, I did as was suggested. I fly with "realism" set to "hard." The aircraft did not overstress, nor was there an "overspeed" warning, and I was truely surprised to see that with 540 dialed in, the aircraft "held" nicely at about 350. Im not sure, but 350 wouldnt cause "overstress". I have checked the cfg file on the Boeing 777-200ER and it indicated a max speed of 482.0 Knots True (KTAS).
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Jul 25
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, 2003 at 4:59pm
RollerBall
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This is all cobblers anyway.
No one works in miles per hour
No one even works in knots at that altitude in a heavy
At FL 320 a 777 will cruise happily at mach 0.85 and if pushed will attain a max of about 0.9
No one knows or cares what that is in mph - it varies according to temp and pressure - but if you look at your GPS for example you will see what your true groundspeed is in knots
Flying heavies is different to flying lights. Let's say you switch to mach at say 10000ft you'll find you're around 0.3/4 mach from memory. You will overspeed at a very low mach reading at low altitudes. You ramp up your mach as you climb ... .45 , .5, .6...... until you reach your cruising speed at alt - 0.85 mach.
It pays to read the manuals from time to time - POSKY include some great flight manuals with their aircraft - trouble is people are too busy flying to read them and then wonder why they don't do things right
That told ya!
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