Simviation Forum - Fuel not enough

Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 12:58am

xinmayu Offline
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I was flying global freightway from HK to SF. However, in the middle of the trip, i run out of fuel. How to save the fuel? Turn off 2 engines? Please help

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Reply #1 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 1:10am

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Did you File a flight Plan?
Did you follow the flight Plan?
Were the tanks full when you departed?

?

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Reply #2 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 1:12am

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Air refuelling would be really cool..

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Reply #3 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 1:15am

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i used flight plan and i followed the waypoints. By the way, how to use air refuelling?

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Reply #4 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 1:18am

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Can you post a copie of the Flight plan?

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Reply #5 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 1:18am

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I don't know of a way, or program that does. Yet anyway. Just noted that it would be a really interesting addition to the sim.

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Reply #6 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 1:31am

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[flightplan]
title=VHHH to KSFO
description=VHHH, KSFO
type=IFR
routetype=3
cruising_altitude=37000
departure_id=VHHH, N22* 17.96', E113* 55.37', +000019.00
departure_position=PARKING 14
destination_id=KSFO, N37* 37.71', W122* 23.57', +000011.00
departure_name=Hong Kong Intl
destination_name=San Francisco Intl
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waypoint.11=RCSHARK, I+LOCWAY, N25* 50.05', E122* 21.45', +000000.00, A1
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waypoint.20=RJJINGU, I+LOCWAY, N31* 54.71', E131* 4.18', +000000.00, A1
waypoint.21=RJFENIX, I+LOCWAY, N32* 8.51', E131* 35.49', +000000.00, A1
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waypoint.23=RJJAKAL, I+LOCWAY, N33* 3.72', E134* 14.06', +000000.00, A1
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waypoint.36=RJASTER, I+LOCWAY, N39* 13.88', E142* 31.98', +000000.00, R217
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waypoint.70=KSFO, A, N37* 37.71', W122* 23.57', +000011.00,

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Reply #7 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 1:33am

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xin'

Did a flight plan, 40,000' at 625kts
48058 gals 6004 miles 9.5 hours
heading 043.
with 9000 gals remaining You either
had wind set or a badly trimed aircraft
You need to trim the plane and then
set AP!

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Reply #8 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 1:40am

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the weather is quite bad. i will try again. Thanks anyway.

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Reply #9 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 2:56am

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Tiptop there is a payware package that allows you to do in-flight refuelling, I can't for the life of me remember who its by though, I know they're Italian.... Comes with a KC in the package..... Grrr I'm going to be cross with myself until I remember who made this now!!!!

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Reply #10 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 3:08am

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Or you can always deviate and land at the closest airport and refuel . . .

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Reply #11 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 3:17am

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Its made by Lago. I'm off to have a coffee and wake up!

There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!

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Reply #12 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 3:59am

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You can always lean the mixture. Wink

Leaning the mixture increases the amount of air in the air to fuel ratio of the engines, hence uses less fuel. Wink

The payware inair refueling is Lago, it comes with the F-16 and Tornado packs, but they aren't cheap.

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Reply #13 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 8:51am

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What plane were you in? I'd stay away from any program that allows airborne refueling unless you're in a fighter or other sort of military aircraft which can really do mid-air refueling.

If you're hoping to fly a commercial airliner, and don't want to mess with the hassles of flight plans, fuel calculations, etc...there's an option in your options menu (go figure, right) that you can check that says "Unlimited Fuel". This will prevent you from running out.

However, I'm with Ender_Baron and if you find yourself at a point where things are getting tricky, divert to another airport.....HK to SFO would definitely put you over like Guam or HNL where you could refuel.

The other question is if you were in the 777, you should have no problems making it that distance. It regularly flies Newark-Tokyo routes without refueling at all.

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Reply #14 - Jul 22^nd, 2003 at 2:01pm

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I haven't tried myself yet, but the default 747 should be able to make it.. although it's a little farther than the usual flight, Tokyo->KSFO.

Are you running the engines at full throttle? If so your fuel will get swallowed rather quickly by those 744 engines.. You don't want to run your engines at full throttle for more than five or so minutes, because the 744 loses almost 5% of its fuel after five minutes at full throttle. ALSO, you run the risk of blowing up your engine Wink

A cruising speed of M.84/85 above FL330 should keep your N1 hovering around 78-84%..

Just a suggestion..

Keep out of IMC in VFR,&&Tim

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