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Tom Clancy (Read 401 times)
Jul 9
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, 2003 at 2:13am
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How many of you are really into his books? I saw a few of his titles for sale, but wasn't sure if they were any good.
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Jul 9
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, 2003 at 2:41am
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His early books were brilliant, but he seems to have lost the magic now.
His best ones are;
The Hunt For Red October
Patriot Games
The Cardinal of The Kremlin
Clear And Present Danger
The Sum of All Fears
Debt of Honor
Executive Orders
Rainbow Six
Red Storm Rising
Without Remorse
These are good, the rest are pretty naff. My favourites are Red October (also unusally a good film), and Without Remorse.
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Jul 9
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, 2003 at 3:37am
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The Hunt For Red October, good movie too
Executive Orders
Debt of Honor
Rainbow Six
The Sum of All Fears, and the film is really crap... they should have followed the book more
And all but the newest Op-center
all in dutch translation except for red october
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Jul 9
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I was a big Clany fan. I agree with Ozzy though, some of the newer stuff is a bit naff.
My favourites are Clear and Present Danger (I hated the film, the ending was just so wrong) and Without Remorse. The only really good film was Red October, but they left out the Royal Navy so I was a bit miffed at that and the Tomcat air to air bit with Robbie Jackson and the A-10's buzzing the Russian fleet would have been great to see.
Patriot Games made a good film but I never really counted the book as one of my favourites.
Red Storm Rising is also a great read.
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Jul 9
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The books listed - I like. I can't stand the latest : OP-Center" series.
The movies - liked "Red October", "Patriot Games", but although Clear and Present Danger" was a good action film, and captured the character, Ryan, decently, the rest of the "facts"were off. Because of that, I haven't brought myself to (now rent and) see "Sum of All Fears".
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Jul 9
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, 2003 at 8:05am
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The books listed - I like. I can't stand the latest : OP-Center" series.
The movies - liked "Red October", "Patriot Games", but although Clear and Present Danger" was a good action film, and captured the character, Ryan, decently, the rest of the "facts"were off. Because of that, I haven't brought myself to (now rent and) see "Sum of All Fears".
read the book first, and the movie will be a disappointment...
see the movie first, and then read the book: a complete diffrent storyline compared to the film...
The script was edited post 9/11 because in the original version it could make up for racial problems...
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Jul 9
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, 2003 at 12:01pm
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I read several of his earlier books, and 'Red storm rising' was my favorite, I think I still have that one around here somewhere because I thought I would read it again someday.
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Jul 9
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, 2003 at 6:44pm
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I hate all clancy books they just give off such an annoying jingoistic view of the military.
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Jul 9
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, 2003 at 7:21pm
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I would agree with you - to a point. The Clancy books very much focus on individuals working within an environment. However, while "as a general rule" the military is presented as a noble profession, his books to not leave out the morally corrupt people that are present in any organization/endeavor.
However, I do like his style and technical details.
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I hate all clancy books they just give off such an annoying jingoistic view of the military.
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Jul 9
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, 2003 at 10:28pm
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Darn it he is my favorite author, but is a free country. Think what you want.........Sum Of All Fears was the best book ever! I love Clear and Present Danger, that book just rocks, The Hunt For Red October was the book that got me into reading his books. It was great. Now I am reading Red Storm Rising........i can't get anough of that book! it comes together with The Cardinal Of The Kremlin, but that is for after im done with the first one........I also read one of his little books i don't quite remember the name.........oh yeah, NetForce,m oretty cool..............oh, my all time favorite is Patriot Games.........I also want to read Executive Orders, it looks good.
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Jul 9
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I like Clancy's work as well. Ryan started off being a great bloke but has turned into a bit of an over moralised tit. Best book ever is the Sum of all Fears, (Edit: I meant to type Red Storm Rising but I am a fool. Sum of all fears is good but he bottles out. It should have worked then it would really have been as the title suggests.) one of the few modern American authors who would have the guts to deal the USN such a kicking (Nimitz Group). My only sore point is the comment at the end by the US general where he talks about "Sorting out two European conflicts already this century" this single statement exemplifies precisely what many europeans (at least the one's I know) dislike about America.
Any way, that was not meant as a dig against my american friends on the forum, just a statement. Clancy is honest enough to not have to try and make friends with what he writes, and the statement I have (poorly) quoted above is exactly the sort of thing that the character in question would say.
In answer to your question Andrew, I would definately reccomend buying Hunt for Red October and starting there. It is a fantastic Novel that is way better than the film and the film is simply brilliant alone. The casting was spot on with Sean Connery playing Ramius. Try if possible to read the books in the order of publication as failure to do so will ruin earlier plot lines. I dare anyone to have a dry eye during the final pages of "Cardinal".
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Jul 10
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...........Of the Kremlin? Im on my way!
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Jul 10
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enjoy all of tom clancy's books, video games and movies
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Jul 10
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Your free to like them.
Although I love aircraft and know a considerable amount about them I prefer fantasy when it comes to books I have read alot of Tolkien. Not just LOTR but things like the Silmarilion Did I spell that right?
To each his own.
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