Simviation Forum - Citation Excel Project

Reply #45 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 3:18pm

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good now we have a painter Wink

Check out the members page BTW can you show us some of your previous repainting work?

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Reply #46 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 3:28pm

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Hey, i have no previous work..lol Tongue

I am really practicing painting a lot now. I am going to start downloading paint kits and paint them..Then I can show you some work. I am also trying to learn Gmax. If i can figure out how to start it may do some good Wink

But yea, you do have a painter so I can get lots of pics of the excel and just tell me what colors and I will make a few and let you guys choose the best. Once again I am very glad to be a part of the team building my favorite jet

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Adam

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Reply #47 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 5:13pm

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hey adam, im thinkin though we may not need a painter in the group per se. I think having a designer is much more valuable. Textures are easy, especially for private jets but if we are gonna do the Cessna scheme then things get complicated for an average painter. I think maybe we can ask someone not in the group to do the Cessna scheme, or you or anyone else can make a biz jet-type texture. Or maybe we can ask Geforce if hes not busy......

Im not tryin to 'take your job away' or soemthing, just thought youd be more useful in the designing part to speed up the Citation development.

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Reply #48 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 5:26pm

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Hye dont worry I understand Oz...Once I get more into repainting I will prolly be (maybe) be able to repaint. Once again now I am going to try to find out even how to start designing a plane. If you want I will try to start that Citation 525 or help you with the Citation Excel. But first I am going to get some help on starting to build. I have read tutorials but it is easier firsthand..

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Reply #49 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 5:49pm

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Hey Adam you can go ahead and start the CJ1 whenever you're ready to start modelling it. As for looking for painters I dunno what we're gonna do. If Geforce will do it that'd be awesome! If Adam does it that'd be awesome to! Right now let's focus on getting the CJ1 and Excel models done then we could worry about texturing. I've found some awesome paint schemes we could use on airliners.net that aren't the same as the Cessna factory schemes. But we'll worry about that later.

Justin

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Reply #50 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 11:07pm

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Two things..First, to start a aircraft do I just use the shapes givin or what do I do? Also, i do know a repainter for VFO that repaints corporate planes all the time. If you can just tell me how I start the Citation etc i can definatly get on my way!

Adam

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Reply #51 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 11:16pm

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Adam, use the cylinder. Then shape it up into the fuselage. The tutotials should help you out, and its best to do the model while you read them .

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Reply #52 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 11:20pm

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Ok thanks. I am going to read it now. So what you are saying is use that and I can shape it! Ok, well i am going to try to learn this is a short time so I can get started on one of my Favorite Jets ever made.
Thanks you soo much for all your help everyone

Adam

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Reply #53 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 11:32pm

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No problem adam Wink

. BTW before you even try the modeling in Gmax, may i suggest you 'explore' the program even further. Start making some basic stuff (the discreet tute will show you how to make a mace. Learn where all the options and stuff are since theres a lot of features in Gmax. It took me almost 2 months to really get familiar with the program. I tried makin some stuff but scrapped it cause i encountered some problems...but then again that was a military model and much harder to make. Hmm...i think i might just give this a try and make an attempt at designing one of these Citations myself. Ill see....
Gmax is a very complicated program:
At first it always feels like ''well this might be easy, just gotta get used to it''
Then (after youve had it for some time) you feel like"darn this is harder than i thought, i dont know if i can even go anywhere"
And when you start to understand things you feel like "oh..so thats how its done...ok might just give this another try and get somewhere" The Pro designers out there were the ones who wouldnt quit when they had a problem or thought the program was to hard. They learned and asked and asked and now we got guys like the ground crew boys, Meljet, and katahu and jl Wink

. Well my point is really that in the begining youll find the program is really hard to use but in time youll get used to it

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Reply #54 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 11:40pm

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Ok well I have hit that point where I am saying "can i really do this?" Well, I am reading and I know once I learn the program it will get easier. I will notify you when I really start getting the program well. Now I am nervous and wondering if I really can do this..

Adam

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Reply #55 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 11:45pm

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This one is for fun - I'm not going for deep LDV type accuracy ... sort of to "match wits" and egg you guys on to finish your projects... I mean, you don't want my
quickie to get out first, do you?

Felix/FFDS

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Reply #56 - Jul 2^nd, 2003 at 11:57pm

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Sorry, I haven't been replying for a little while. I've been busy with college preparation (you can't imaging the trouble I went through Tongue

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Anyways, one of you people have said something about having a 3-view not properly scaled. Don't worry about that. Here is a set of step-by-step instructions on how to set them up (the professional way).

The image setup:

1. Open your 3-view image in any paint or image-editing program.
2. Cut out a view (side view, front view, or top view) using a cutter. I suggest you use one that goes Free-handed.
3. Save that little cut-out section as a seperate file (give it a proper name for easy referance).
4. Repeat the steps until you get the view ready.

GMAX setup:

1. Create a plane (not the model, I'm talking about a basic object) that will represent a certain view of one of the cut-out sections you made previously.
2. Make sure that the plane has the same dimensions as the view it represents by using the image's pixel size (ex: a side view having a size of 256 x 512 can be applied to an image of 256ft x 512ft. Scaled down that plane. LOL).
3. Apply a UVW modifier (this is what makes the textures appear on the selected object) to that plane.
4. Now apply the texture (a side view image for example) to the selected object.
5. Repeat until you get all views done.

The scaling:

1. Now, scale down your objects (there should 3. One for side, one for front and one for top view) by using UNIFORM Scale tool. Never use NON-UNIFORM scale tool.
2. Make sure that the images (not the objects) match each other (nose to tail, wing tip to wing tip, etc.).
3. From here, you should be done with the setup. Now FREEZE those objects so that you won't accidentally select them as you make the ACTUAL model.

There is a tutorial regarding these steps in www.onnovanbraam.com

I hope I made myself clear.

Good luck Adam.

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Reply #57 - Jul 3^rd, 2003 at 12:05am

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hmm....thats a pretty nice model you got there Felix...sure makes us wanna push our efforts...Im gonna give it another go with Gmax. I just hope i can actually get somewhere...

BTW Katahu do you use the 'spline modeling' method or the mesh method?

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Reply #58 - Jul 3^rd, 2003 at 12:07am

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Hey Felix, nice model you got there. Looks nice.

You can probably send that to me so that I can make the DVC for it. I'm really good at making DVCs. All I need are usually photo or diagram images of its interior.

One more thing, is it based on GMAX? Because that's the only program I have (took me 3 years I think to master it).

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Reply #59 - Jul 3^rd, 2003 at 12:35am

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I got some more pics on my progress.

Dont' worry about the poly count. A lot of them will be removed since you won't be seeing a lot of them.

What so think of this one?

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