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Jun 16th, 2003 at 11:23pm

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Currently running a g4 mx440 128mb, on a biostar m7vkd motherboard, with a 1k athalon processer, 512 pc133 sdramm, win98se.

I want to upgrade to a better video card. I am considering g4 ti4600, geforce 5600 fx, geforce5800fx all with 128 mb memory. I would like comments on which would be best for my machine.

Motherboard is single data rate, limited to 4x AGP. all of the above cards have in the descriptions area of the website.  Some thing like:

" Easy Plug-and-Play AUTORUN installation from CD-ROM, supports 8x, 4x, and 2x AGP. "

Am I correct in assuming that this mean the cards are backwards compatible to at least 4x AGP?

I fly all the Micro$oft flight sims except FS2004 C.O.F. CFS 3 being my only problem sim. My previous videocard a g2mx400 64 meg handled cfs3 much better, after tweaking, than the g4 mx440 128mb before tweaking. In fact the g4in cfs3, un tweaked  handles cfs3 un tweaked about the way the g2 did.  The machine has dvd player which has become almost unuseable for action films like Spiderman, Lord of the Rings,.... during the heavy action scenes the film staggers just like cfs3 when attacking an enemy base at 50ft alt.

Any comments ,suggestions, welcomed!
 

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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2003 at 4:57am

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Hi Glitch, well I upgraded to a Ti4600 a few months back and all I can say is HOLY S***!!!!!!
It is awesome. The performance levels I'm getting now are incredible! You might want to think about also moving to XP as your OS as it runs a lot quicker than 98 and doesn't eat memory as much Wink

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Reply #2 - Jun 17th, 2003 at 8:31am
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i only recommend a 5600 or 5800,when you're going to upgrade your mainboard ,cpu and ram within the next months. the reason is,that the rest of your system has too little power to supply those FXs efficiently,this simply means that your  video card gets "bored". i recommend the 4600,because it fits quite well to your system.and yes,every graphics card is backwards compatible,i'm running an AGP-8x-card on an AGP-4x-slot,too.
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2003 at 3:19pm

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I am planning to upgrade mb, cpu & ramm asap, but I am the only one in the house working right now, when I can, I will. One of the reasons I was considering the 5600 is, so I will not have to replace the card when I do upgrade. It could be as much as 6 mos before I can save enough for the upgrade. ATI could you define "bored"? Ozzy what did you upgrade from?

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Reply #4 - Jun 17th, 2003 at 4:36pm

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could you define "bored"? Ozzy what did you upgrade from?


I think he is meaning that while your CPU is calculating everything and getting maxed out the graphics card is wanting more and more information to process and the CPU cannot supply it with enough info so really you would be paying a lot of money only to use maybe 50-60% of the cards capabilities

Please correct me if I am wrong

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Reply #5 - Jun 17th, 2003 at 10:42pm

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Well the Gainward 5600fx I am considering is cheaper than the Asus g4 4600 both 128mb ddr. Shopping at pricewatch.com
 

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Reply #6 - Jun 18th, 2003 at 7:50am
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no,you aren't wrong,paul. well said.
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 20th, 2003 at 9:16am

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Go here and see for yourself...........

http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030311/geforcefx-5600-5200-10.html

A GF4 TI4200 is gonna beat or be as good as a FX5600
even if it's a 4x AGP 64mb version, so, don't be fooled by all the hype!

Go here and buy one......

www.pricewatch.com

or wait 6 mths and see those fx prices tumble!   Grin
 

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Reply #8 - Jun 20th, 2003 at 11:18am

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I've been having a nightmare  Tongue to get either of two GeForce FX 5600 cards (Asylum or PNY) to work with direct X 9.0a on Win XP with FS2002 and a P4 2.4 Gig machine.  So far .... no go.  Tech support can't solve it.  See other threads on this subject.

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Reply #9 - Jun 20th, 2003 at 6:48pm

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I just traded in the GeFOrce FX 5600 card on a ATI Raedon 9600.  WOrked on the first try with no hassles.

So THAT is a message right there.

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Reply #10 - Jun 21st, 2003 at 6:49am

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I have done some research and decided the 4600 will be the way to go. Instead of upgrading this System I plan to give it to my wife to replace the 200 mhz pacard bell she now uses. Then I will build a new machine stripped  for gaming i.e. no DVD player. no burner. By the time I can afford to do this. I should end up with a faster machine, than if I bought the 5600 now and upgraded this one later.
 

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Reply #11 - Jun 22nd, 2003 at 6:46pm

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Me thinks the GF4 TI4600 is way better than a GF FX5600.

Also, if you bought the cheaper, not much slower TI4200 video card, you may be able to afford a new "who knows what by then" video card when you finally upgrade.

On your present system, a ti4600 isn't justified, but a 4200 would do nicely to match your 1 gig cpu.
 

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Reply #12 - Jun 25th, 2003 at 6:24am

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Well I already ordered the 4600. I may have the cash left to up grade to the mainboards 1.8 gpu bios limit. that should give it a little more to work with.
 

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Reply #13 - Jun 25th, 2003 at 10:27am

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Wow! that 4600 is an awesome card, you won't know the sim with that running! CRANK IT UP!

Might pay to consider the power requirements before plugging it in.  Grin
 

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Reply #14 - Jun 25th, 2003 at 10:37pm

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Power requirements?The machine has a 300 watt power supply.
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 3rd, 2003 at 11:04am

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Which do you thinks is better between geforce4 ti 4800 and radeon 9600 pro, i also want to buy one, but I can´t decide
 
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Reply #16 - Jul 4th, 2003 at 8:09am

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    The Ti 4600 made a world of difference in my machine. I looked at and turned down the 4800 for some reason. But I cannot think of why now.  My dvd player works smoothly now and my copy of cfs3 flies much better now. When I get time to tweak it out, it should play flawlessly.
    By the way the amperage on the 3.3v lead from the power supply is 14 amps and seems to handle the load. Any one know the Ohms law formula for wattage?
 

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Reply #17 - Jul 6th, 2003 at 12:28pm

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14 Amps is a fair amount of current in a computer!

Well, here is a useless tidbit.............

A small (5")  black & white TV typically uses 1 amp at 12v.

OHM'S LAW. V = IxR.
Where: V = Voltage.        I = Current.      R = Resistance.

(current is amperage)

ohm's law is for finding resistance not Power (Wattage)

Here is how to calculate power:

Amperage X voltage = wattage

For example, a pump pulling 4 amps at 115 volts uses 460 watts

or

Watts divided by Volts equals Amps

a 60 watt light bulb at 220 volts draws .27 amps

 

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Reply #18 - Jul 10th, 2003 at 6:00am

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Opened up the case again and checked, 14A , checked with a magnifying glass to be sure there was not a dot between the numbers.
 

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Reply #19 - Jul 11th, 2003 at 10:14pm

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Well, as ever I drop on a thread way too late!  Roll Eyes

Anyway, I opted for the GF FX , the Asus V8460 Ultra, A GF4 ti4600 4x AGP card was Alas, out of stock which was a pity, it was "Old stock" and thus up for sale @ £99 !

Anyway, I picked up my card for £120, and am absolutely delighted with it!

A word of warning, Whilst the ti 4600's are indeed faster than the GF FX5600 in "Performance trim" i.e. no FSAA or antitrospic whatever its called filtering However, from what I read, the FX5600 is faster by upto 30% with say 2x AA and 8 x AF.... If ,like me, your looking for good quality screenshots then I'd say the GF FX is the better way to go.

Hours of reading into this can be found @ www.tomshardware.com et al will no doubt bore you rigid after you've studied 20+ benchmark tables!!!  Roll Eyes  Grin  Undecided

One thing for sure Glitch, you've got a damn good card there! as I'm sure you already know! Wink
 

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Reply #20 - Jul 20th, 2003 at 8:39pm

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Yup. Roger that! Quite happy with it. For the first time I don't have any problems running any thing I put in the machine. It is great!
 

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