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Who has the best overall aircraft downloads?
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Jun 13
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Make sure you consider:
a) aircraft variety
b) aircraft visual quality
c) aircraft technical quality (flying brick?)
d) special fx (animated parts)
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Jun 13
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i think its obvious.....
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Jun 13
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Nobrainer!
SimV.
And that's not a shameless plug, either!
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Jun 13
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visitor
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The only place I've ever downloaded
from is Simviation, should I even vote?
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Jun 13
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I almost always use Simviation. I've tried AVSIM a few times when they have something I particularly want and Simviation doesn't have it. Problem with AVSIM is that they allow only two data streams for my download manager so large downloads take a long time. I get four good streams at Simviation which makes it much quicker.
Simviation seems to have a wider variety of different planes and other add ons although the search engine stinks (sorry SimV but it does) when looking for something specific. Stupid thing gives me a thousand answers for every search and some pages don't have the target term anywhere. I usually resort to just looking manually (and usually end up finding six other things).
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Jun 13
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I like Avsim mainly because its updated more often. SimV has a lot of nice stuff, but not many new things arrive on a daily basis. Of course SimV is never down, I seem to be getting a lot of can't find server messages when I try to download from Avsim lately.
The only freeware site for FS I don't use often is Flightsim.com because of their dumb membership system.
I only pretend to know what I'm talking about. Heck, that's what lawyers, car mechanics, and IT professionals do everyday.
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Jun 14
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I'll look all over in the "what's new"section of a number of sites. My preference for dls and search are FSfreeware(there seems to be a shift in attitude there),AVSIM and SIMV(search is not what it could be)
When it comes to forums SIMV RULES 8)
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Jun 14
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Simviation is obviously my first choice, but I often find AVSIM and Flightsim, (after getting past "All Nodes, etc.."), are very useful for locating particular items which I can't find in SimV...
...!
I think the main sites do their best to keep their users happy...
...which is good...
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Cheers...
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Jun 14
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I have CD's full of zips from here, there, and everywhere......Mainly Simv, but the last 2-3 % that I have, have usually been referred to from here, so for me, there is no question of who does it best for me....
SimV
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Jun 14
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Simviation has been and always will be my first choice. Other sites are ok, but this has been my home since 1999 for aircraft downloads. I occasionally will use Avsim.com or Flightsim.com, but only if I can't find what I want here first. Avsim is not accesible enough to the amatuer, or someone who doesn't want to get into virtual airlines. Flightsim is the same, and I go there, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the whole Papa Tango business a few years back. Plus the fact that unless you buy a membership you have to deal with that 'all nodes busy' crap. Some of the reasons I like SimV most are below...
1. Easily browsable:
Planes are sectioned into categories, with a thumbnail right beside the description. I don't have to search, I can just browse through a section
2. Light Atmosphere:
People here are much more accesible than at other sites and seem much more willing to answer questions. There are no cliques, and no attitude of 'Well I'm too good for that'
3. Easy to Navigate
Everything is right on the front page and easy to reach.
4. Stays current
Every day I can check for new files and almost every day I can find them
5. No Politics!
Over the few years, Pete has managed to keep his skirts clean and not offend anyone. Again, even during the whole Papa Tango affair (which was a very dark time for flight simmers), Pete managed to stay above the fray.
6. You don't have to be a member
Even if you don't want to sign up, you can still access the site and even post here. That is a sign of class to me, that the site is not worried about membership (like Flightsim.com) to the point of exclusion. I have nothing against joining and if it became available I would. But it's nice not to be told you have to.
I must say also, this is the most under-rated flightsimsite on the web. As big as it is, I have always felt like I was in on a great secret.
One final word; the quality of aircraft is not necessarily indicative of the site. True, SimV has great planes, but I don't think Pete's job is judging airplanes. That is for us to do. Pete position (imho) is more of a moderator, or a distributor and not a judge. He does a great job at it too...
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Jun 14
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I pick up something new here almost every day and even if I can't find what I want, someone here will always point me to where I can find it. This is the only forum I use and I consider many people here as friends. All the moderators do a fantastic job and Pete runs a fantastic site.
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Jun 14
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Err SimV. And if anyone says otherwise I'll come around their house and cover it in marmelade!
When I'm really desperate I will try no-nodes.com or AVSIM (I think I've downloaded from them twice in the last year or so...)
SimV is always up, and you don't have all these annoying problems trying to get a download, you just click and go. Make a cuppa, and then its time to hit the wild blue yonder.
'Nuff Said!
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Jun 14
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Kdryan, what are you talking about when you mentioned 'papa tango' incident?
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Jun 14
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That was something that happened a long time ago and is over with. Basically some jerk (it was NOT anyone at Flightsim.com)decided he had the copyrights to American Airlines planes and wanted to charge everyone making freeware versions with AA livery. A lot of toes got stepped on, a lot of hard feelings went around, and a lot of things got said that shouldn't have. I'll leave it at that because I don't want to stir up a hornets nest. The issue is dead and best left that way.
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Jun 14
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ok, I remember that incident, just never remember it being called that.
wasn't it that adriane guy who made a payware 737?
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That was something that happened a long time ago and is over with. Basically some jerk (it was NOT anyone at Flightsim.com)decided he had the copyrights to American Airlines planes and wanted to charge everyone making freeware versions with AA livery. A lot of toes got stepped on, a lot of hard feelings went around, and a lot of things got said that shouldn't have. I'll leave it at that because I don't want to stir up a hornets nest. The issue is dead and best left that way.
I remember that. I was unable to get any Reno Air MD-80's for my FS. And I believe it was American Airlines that did it. If I am not mistaking there is suppose to be a specail copyright for any one that uses AA or any of its other names
As far a where I go for my fills I hit the big three..flightsim.com, avsim.com and here. This site, as a few have stated, has the best forum. Each site has really good points about them. Avsim updates faster, search feature is ok. Flightsim updates can be a bit slow, the search feature is great, but for some it can be a pain to log on. Simvaition updates are ok, always can get on, search feature could be better. Not much for the percent of a match.
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Jun 14
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if anyone says otherwise I'll come around their house and cover it in marmelade!
Ozzy 8)
"OTHERWISE "
I'll get the toast ready !
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Jun 15
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ATI_9700pro
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euh...will i be kicked if i say something else than SimV ??
i think there's no winner in this contest,because every flightsimpage has its advantages and disadvantages.
i like the design of avsim ,but they don't have a large database.
i like the database of flightsim,but they require logging in (i hate that...
).
i like simviation for it's REALLY huge database, but i don't like the speed (takes too much time to build up the site,even with broadband internet) and the search engine (okay,no flight sim site has a perfect search engine.you should at least choose your sim.).
guys,you forgot the
Historic Jetliners Group
with it's thousands of repaints for their DC-8 and B707.
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Jun 16
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Once again, not a 'loyalty plug'. One of the reasons I ended up on this site and in this forum is because when I found out that I could download extra planes for my CFS2, I went looking and as soon as I saw how many and how varied they were here, I didn't need to look further. You could never fly all they planes available here.
I know there is sometimes a 'specific' need, and I must agree with our earlier colleague, the search facility is tedious. Other than that, I see no need to go anywhere else.
Oh sorry, forgot. I have to go to avhistory.org for my 1% planes. They are very good.
I've popped in to check out the rest and there's nothing like SimV around in terms of availability, quality and of course, the great forum..................
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SimV is the best I hate flightsim because of the login and Avsim has too small of a collection. but SimV has a weak search (I can never get the results I want
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Thanks for your comments guys... & you're right - the search is in dire need of attention.
It is on the 'to do' list - near the top.
One of the aspects of this site is that it - intentionally - has never used a database. It was built like a big book. Flat html - page after page. The single biggest drawback is that - even with the best search utility - you find results on pages - not precise unique returns for your search as you'd get from a database.
The advantage of a book style website is the browsing - which is what I originally had in mind. Where people are looking mainly for new experiences. You will find aircraft & other add-ons you or I had never thought about - by browsing the pages.
BUT - the search HAS become weaker as the site has grown & is indeed a weak feature of this site.
Like I say it's on the adjenda so stay tuned.
Thanks again to those that take the time to feedback - it is SO valuable.
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Having got most of the bits and bobs I need from the various flight sim Sites over the years now, it's the SimV Forums which I find an absolute delight every time I log-on.
There is nothing quite like it anywhere, for the fun and friend-ship which it brings to me... 8)...!
It's as though all the members were just next-door...
...!
A fantastic lot of pals, and loads of fun....!
Cheers all...
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Having got most of the bits and bobs I need from the various flight sim Sites over the years now, it's the SimV Forums which I find an absolute delight every time I log-on.
There is nothing quite like it anywhere, for the fun and friend-ship which it brings to me... 8)...!
It's as though all the members were just next-door...
...!
A fantastic lot of pals, and loads of fun....!
Cheers all...
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Paul.
(England).
Without a doubt Paul, I second that ! 8)
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Man, there sure are a lot of Brits that visit here
No French though, or are they afraid to let anyone know?
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There are some french round here. But they all speak good english so you don't notice them... But then there is Francous or what ever he's called. His english isn't so great and he can be hard to understand but he's certainly french...
Oh and SimV all the way!!!
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Thanks for your comments guys... & you're right - the search is in dire need of attention.
It is on the 'to do' list - near the top.
One of the aspects of this site is that it - intentionally - has never used a database. It was built like a big book. Flat html - page after page. The single biggest drawback is that - even with the best search utility - you find results on pages - not precise unique returns for your search as you'd get from a database.
The advantage of a book style website is the browsing - which is what I originally had in mind. Where people are looking mainly for new experiences. You will find aircraft & other add-ons you or I had never thought about - by browsing the pages.
Hi Pete,
I'm not an expert in search functions, but if your search utility can pick up pages, could it pick up bookmark URLs ??? However, the major drawback would be that a bookmark would be needed for everything, and that would be a pain
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His english isn't so great and he can be hard to understand but he's certainly french...
...at least he tries to speak english. and speaking french can be an imprtant advantage,when you talk to him.
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I'd actually have to say nobody. I've only found one add-on aircraft I've ever liked. The rest were, well, "lacking". In number of downloads, I'd say Simviation (of course!) and flightsim. Simviation is good for browsing (as aforementioned), but flightsim is good for searching.
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Simviation for the generic stuff, just browse the 'latest addons' and click on what i like
FS.com for when i need a specific search for a major airline, and for their scenery finder
Flightsim.ru... when i need something which isn't on SV, FS.com and avsim and isn't made in thje west
My box of presonal links when i need specific stuff (smaller FS sites as FS-FAB and that kind of stuff)
Russian planes:
IL-76 (all standard length ones)
,
Tu-154 and Il-62
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Tu-134
and
An-24RV
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As I appear to have a Node problem I can never get on at Avsim. I like Simviation these days mostly for the Forum. I think I have just about all the planes I desire for fs2k2 and cfs1&2 until I look at the latest pages.......
The thing about this site is that there are no condescending people at all and even when rare serious disagreements occour the parties can usually sort it out without resorting to violence. I became a brief member of a Forum about the game "Mafia" and was insulted after my first post so I got annoyed and left.
In addition whilst the search facility is bad is does make you find some interesting things that you may not have found otherwise. Usually however they have little to do with what you were trying to find.
My main bugbear is about speed. It can sometimes take ages for each page to load, I have a 64.0 Kps system at home and access to broadband at work and there is often little differance in page access times. The download speed is about par for the course (I get 3-8kb/s) but the forum can be a complete nightmare at times. The only request I would make is that some of the old pages from the various topics be removed in an attempt to speed things up.
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Hey, why didn't you include FSPirate.com in the vote list!!! LOL!!
I love SimV for the forums, a great bunch of people, all willing to help each other out - I only wish I had more free time to browse all day!
I do have one question that perhaps someone can answer. The download speeds are fine here, right upto the max speed of my broadband modem - but, response times are sometimes slow, especially on the forums. Pages can time-out, and sometimes take a few minutes to begin loading. Once they do start to load, they go just fine. Why is that?
I agree that the search facility is a little annoying sometimes. If I want a specific file, I usually go to Avsim to do the search. I agree that the non-database method is causing the problems.
Overall, a great service! Keep up the good wotk Pete!
Ric B.
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No, I'm NOT Russian, I
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Hey, why didn't you include FSPirate.com in the vote list!!! LOL!!
I love SimV for the forums, a great bunch of people, all willing to help each other out - I only wish I had more free time to browse all day!
I do have one question that perhaps someone can answer. The download speeds are fine here, right upto the max speed of my broadband modem - but, response times are sometimes slow, especially on the forums. Pages can time-out, and sometimes take a few minutes to begin loading. Once they do start to load, they go just fine. Why is that?
I agree that the search facility is a little annoying sometimes. If I want a specific file, I usually go to Avsim to do the search. I agree that the non-database method is causing the problems.
Overall, a great service! Keep up the good wotk Pete!
Ric B.
the only use of fspirate is as a filename lookup tool. they usually have better (more, and larger) screenshots there, so you have a better idea of what you're geting
Russian planes:
IL-76 (all standard length ones)
,
Tu-154 and Il-62
,
Tu-134
and
An-24RV
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the only use of fspirate is as a filename lookup tool. they usually have better (more, and larger) screenshots there, so you have a better idea of what you're geting
Nay! The only use of FSPirate is to %&@* me off. Speaking of %&@*, I wouldn't %&@* on Ferdy if he was on fire...
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