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Jun 13th, 2003 at 10:23pm

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I was reading a posting about the planes we wanted and it occured to me there might be a better way of doing this. 

What if MS were to sell a barebones sim (no planes) and place on-line a selection of planes from all categories (military, commercial, vintage, etc...) for us to choose from.  They could make up a series of each and we who like WWII fighters wouldn't be shoehorned in to buying Jetliners.  I would say MS would have to make around forty planes or so, and we could choose maybe twelve when we buy the game and maybe even buy more later. MS makes more money, we get a custom tailored sim, everyone is happy.

Just a thought...
 

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Reply #1 - Jun 13th, 2003 at 10:44pm

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Would be too much of a pain. Also some people still don't have the Internet yet so they would miss out.
Besides, freeware and payware addons usually come out pretty quickly after the sim is released.


BTW, this will probably be moved to General Discussion because the Cafe is not for flightsim speak.
 

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Reply #2 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 5:18am

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add to the problem to many people are still on a 56K modem and these things would take way to long to get. the idea is good in theory but put into practise i dont think it would work
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 8:54am

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MS makes more money


  That would be about it too!

  Because you can be sure that the planes that M$ would have up "for sale" would be all the most common types of aircraft, which you can already find at one of the sim sites in the form of freeware, besides, knowing M$ you would probably still have to pay $50.00 for the game to begin with, and you are suggesting it comes with no planes, therefore useless out of the box.

  I'm not one to put people down for their ideas, so I'll just say that if it was sold seperately from the other MS flight sims as an alternate package, then I suppose a few people might go for it, but I think you would find yourself shelling out a lot more cash in the end.

  I just don't think it would be a very popular item.
 

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Reply #4 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 12:11pm

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Now if MS designed additional aircraft for the Flightsim, that would be cool Cheesy
 
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Reply #5 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 1:36pm

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Don't even suggest this to anyone.....I remember the anguish it caused me when the Auto Manufacturers all decided not to sell options in singles any more....they forced me to have an entire pkg, of which I only wanted one or two things and had to take the lot ( and pay for them ) just to get the few I wanted in the first place......Think about how many cable channels you don't watch on TV, but pay for, because you have to buy a pkg!
 

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Reply #6 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 1:49pm

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Don't even suggest this to anyone.....

My thoughts exactly.
 

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Reply #7 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 3:24pm

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Man, what a response! Shocked  

I just think (in my case) it would be nice not to be forced to buy commercial aircraft.  I have always stuck with light planes, vintage and military and I don't see myself changing that soon.  Think of the advantages of choosing the planes that will be in FS2004.  How many MS aircraft are in each sim?  16 in FS 2002.  What if you had 50 to choose from?  Good God, does ANYONE fly the sailplane?

No, MS would not charge less for the sim, (even I know that) but you wouldn't be getting less, just getting it a different way.  Then think about this one; as an add-on, go into the store and buy all the available MS planes on one CD.  The 'breed' would also improve as there would be more MS aircraft out there to play with and develop.  I would love to see a MS developed F-18 Hornet come out.  What about more helicopters or floatplanes?  

True, 56k sucks (I have dial-up...) but soon dial-up will be relegated to the same category as tape drives and 1.44 Mb floppies.  It's on it's way out, and if you don't believe that, ask the recording industry.  It's being considered now by most major labels that instead of going to a next generation format that they make downloadable music the primary point of sale.

Rifleman, you are supporting this when you speak of options packages and cable channels you don't use.  That's basically what you are doing now.  In order to get the Cessna, you also have to buy the 747.  This would have the opposite effect.

It may be the business manager in me speaking, but I think it would be an excellent way of doing this...
 

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Reply #8 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 3:29pm

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the only other problem that would be encountered. copyrights. microsoft have always maintained flight sim as a commercial sim not military, and i doubt they would go to the huge trouble of getting permission to sell off military jets. then you have airbus, as i ams ure you have all noticed they seem to be missing despite being on a par with boeing(i cant believe i said that) again because MS dont want to shell out on more licensing fees. i cant understand why the variety of the fleet hasnt increased maybe again having to pay for each type, although you would have thought they would include the 757 and 767, along with a tri-jet. anyway, correct me if i am wrong, i am just going on what i have heard from others.
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 4:05pm

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Rifleman, you are supporting this when you speak of options packages and cable channels you don't use.  That's basically what you are doing now. ...

If you read my post carefully, I am not condoning in any manner, the pkg thing! I detest it.....If I could buy just what I want, I would be a much happier consumer. In the interest of " the customer is always right " , I see no consumer benefit to selling pkgs....this is a marketing strategy which is done to justify "revenue boosting selling tatics" which provide (read "forced sale") unwanted product to the helpless public..........if you don't want part of the pkg then don't buy it at all, but the seller knows that the buyer will pay for what he wants, even if it involves getting ( and paying for ) the extras, which he had no intention of getting.....
.....just sell me what I want for a fair price and stop making me pay for other things !
 

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Reply #10 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 4:29pm

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kdryan,

So effectively what you want is even more payware ??? Roll Eyes

You can already usually find freeware or payware aircraft that you want. Isn't that good enough?
 
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Reply #11 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 4:58pm

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Roll EyesNo, what I want is more variety and a customizable sim. 
I AM NOT SAYING MS SHOULD SELL A SIM WITHOUT PLANES!  JUST THAT THOSE PLANES COULD COME FROM ANOTHER SOURCE BESIDE THE GAME CD!
  I also hate being forced to buy packages of things.  I want to be able to pick and choose what I want for gosh sakes!  And
THEN
have the ability to buy more of the same quality if I want them!  Yes I love planes for free, I am not anti-freeware, and I have absolutely nothing against God, Country, Queen, Baseball, Apple Pie or Dodges (well, maybe Dodges)

Upon looking at this further, however, it does seem to be more and more unworkable because of the reasons above dealing with copyrights.  I agree MS wouldn't want to shell out that kind of money and as soon as anyone starts talking about MS licsensing something they automatically double the price.  Maybe just a CD of add-ons would be better.
 

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Reply #12 - Jun 14th, 2003 at 5:01pm

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To me & I'm sure many others, the attraction of the M$ sims has always been the open-architecture structure.  We purchase the shell & modify it to our own preferences. Long may this continue. I rarely, if ever, use the default aircraft. Many of the countless addons are better quality. IMHO

I find the trend from Freeware to Payware addons unfortunate but inevitable due to the ever-increasing demands of us, the customers. Personally, I would not wish this to be left to the M$ designers, who are simply commercial modellers working to contracts & deadlines just like the other Payware guys.
 

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