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What was your first trainning aircraft (Read 2593 times)
Jun 9
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I'm interested in what other pilots started their trainning in, i'd also like to now what you thought of the aircraft
My first was a PA-38 'Piper Tomahawk' a 112 hp two seater
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piper pa28 cherokee/warrior
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if you goto pictures forum there is a topic on page 2 called pretty interesting theres a pic of it there
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Jun 9
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Glider - Slingsby T.31B Kirby Cadet Mk III. Sometimes known as the Tandem Tutor.
Open cockpits but at least you had some protection from the elements. Aerodynamic qualities of the proverbial house brick. Just enough altitude for one circuit & landing from a winch launch. 2 1/2 minute flights were the average. Oddly enough my first gliding course was in the first week of June - almost exactly 44 years ago. Exciting & great fun.
Powered aircraft - DH 82A Tiger Moth. Open cockpits with standard RAF basic panel & magnetic compass. No starter motor, wheel brakes, cockpit heating, nav-aids or radio. Delightful. Still my favourite aircraft.
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First I flew was a Jodel something or other and my first lesson was in a Piper Tomohawk
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I've never had any formal/official flight lessons, but some of you may remember that I have a friend who is a CFI who took me up about a month ago. It was a Cessna 172
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the ASK-13 glider was and still is my first one...hope the list will be longer in the future!
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Jun 10
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If any one wants to see the Tomahawk that i fly click on the link below
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It's interesting seeing that some of you have started out in gliders, that suppriesed me
(don't know why), the tought that people start in gliders never occured to me.
For those people that have flown in gliders would you reomend it, just for a different expirience.
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Jun 10
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It's interesting seeing that some of you have started out in gliders, that suppriesed me
(don't know why), the tought that people start in gliders never occured to me.
For those people that have flown in gliders would you reomend it, just for a different expirience.
In my day this was a natural progression for 2 good reasons.
1. The minimum age for a gliding licence was 16 - power licence 17. (I think this is still the case in the UK.)
2. Gliding was a helluva lot cheaper.
I always enjoyed gliding & wish I'd done more of it. There's something about pitting your wits against the elements which you don't get with a powered aircraft. I suppose it could be compared with the difference between sailing & power boating.
I've found that experience with gliders helps you understand the principles of flight, both with real aircraft or RC models. When flying my RC slope soarers I still get asked the same old question by members of the public. "How can you possibly control it without an engine?" Until you understand how - you will never make a pilot.
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Jun 10
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LOL Hagar...i get the same question asked all the time about my RC sailboat.
"What makes it go?
Well, it's a sailboat.
"I understand that...but, what makes it go?
Couple of times I've had to lift it out of the water to prove there is no prop.
My first training flight was in a Scweizer glider (don't know what model). First powered flying in a T-33. Both cases were informal training in the Air Force.
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Jun 10
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LOL Hagar...i get the same question asked all the time about my RC sailboat.
"What makes it go?
Well, it's a sailboat.
"I understand that...but, what makes it go?
Couple of times I've had to lift it out of the water to prove there is no prop.
LOL SilverFox.
Been there - got the T-shirt. How about this one.
"What's the range of your radio?"
If I can see it, I can control it.
"Yes, but how far exactly?"
Well, I've never been too concerned about that.
People - don't ya love 'em?
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Powered aircraft - RAF de Havilland Chipmunk (still one of my favourite planes
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Glider - RAF Viking, a terrifying death trap of a thing, and put me off gliding for life. I need a big engine up front, not a manky VW Beetle engine jammed behind me as a launching device, lets just say landing was really exciting as you didn't know if the engine mounting bolts were up to it.... and a 4cyl. engine in the back could ruin your whole day!
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Glider - RAF Viking, a terrifying death trap of a thing, and put me off gliding for life. I need a big engine up front, not a manky VW Beetle engine jammed behind me as a launching device, lets just say landing was really exciting as you didn't know if the engine mounting bolts were up to it.... and a 4cyl. engine in the back could ruin your whole day!
Ozzy. Maybe you should try a real glider/sailplane sometime. That ain't gliding. Proper gliders don't have engines so there's no worry on that score.
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Cessna 152, at RAF Manston, although i had a few Chippy and Bulldog flights before then...
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Jun 10
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"What's the range of your radio?"
If I can see it, I can control it.
"Yes, but how far exactly?"
Well, I've never been too concerned about that.
Even when i can see my RC Cherokee up close i can not fly it.
I addmit that i havent flown it much after i almost crashed it
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Jun 10
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I'd deffinetly recomend Gliding
, engines, who neds em?
I flew the Grob Viking with 662 VGS at RN Condor and loved it
(first launch scared the S*** out of me though).
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I'd deffinetly recomend Gliding
, engines, who neds em?
I flew the Grob Viking with 662 VGS at RN Condor and loved it
Compare Craig's Viking with the T.31 in my earlier reply.
Seems things have moved on a bit since my day.
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(first launch scared the S*** out of me though).
Some things never change. I would describe it as exhilarating rather than scary. Loved every minute.
Oh to be 16 again.
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Piper - PA-38 - Tomahawk.
Got my licence on it but still prefer anything else
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Does R/C aircraft count? If so my first was on a Hobbieco Superstar. I've sometimes felt like going over to the local airpark but lessons cost on average of $8,000, money that I just don't have.
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Hagar's piccy above is of a Grob Twin Astir I believe.
My first Instructional flight was in one of these.
My thoughts......... If the Instructor has a heart attack or does something really stupid..... I can handle it! Might not be pretty, but I'll walk away!
I had been flying sims for thousands of hours before the first flight.
I shared time in my early training between the Grob (a high performance sailplane) and a Blanik L-13 (lower performance).
I found that by flying both aircraft in my early training (in all weather conditions), gave me a lot of confidence and verified what I had learned on simulators.
This had the side effect of my instructors believing I was over-confident when I actually had the ability.
I went solo after 10 hours of instruction and on reflection, this was only just enough time to be safe.
On my third solo, I was thermalling at cloudbase and realised I didn't know how to read the metric altimeter in the Blanik. I had always flown "seat of the pants" using angles, sound and judgement with occasional reference to the airspeed indicator for verification of launch and landing speeds.
I think soaring in sailplanes is one of the purest forms of flight because you fly an extremely efficient and controllable machine using weather as an energy source. I love it.
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Congo,
to avoid confusion
In RAF speak the Grob 103 is know as the Viking (Grob 109 = Vigilant, Grob 115e = Tutor (plastic pig:D), which is far better than the RN's 115D Heron
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Check out the nice DSB Design Viking...
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I shared time in my early training between the Grob (a high performance sailplane) and a Blanik L-13 (lower performance).
I found that by flying both aircraft in my early training (in all weather conditions), gave me a lot of confidence and verified what I had learned on simulators.
This had the side effect of my instructors believing I was over-confident when I actually had the ability.
I went solo after 10 hours of instruction and on reflection, this was only just enough time to be safe.
This shows the difference between now & 40 years ago. In June 1959 when I took my first gliding course on the T.31 it was somewhat different.
Minimum requirement before being allowed solo = 20 launches.
Qualify for A & B civil gliding licence = 3 solo flights.
Total = 23 launches.
I qualified in the minimum time on the second day of the 1 week course. I still have the licence although it is no longer valid. Unfortunately I lost my logbooks some time ago. Remember the average time for each flight was 2 1/2 minutes. 2 1/2 x 23 = 57 1/2 minutes.
PS. Total cost of the course, including rail warrant & meals was 8 shillings (or 40 pence).
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My first training aircraft was (and still is) a Cessna 172, however sadly, my first hands on flight experience was in a King Air C90...I was spoiled...the Cessna is so much slower than the King Air.
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Hagar, I soloed in the L-13 Blanik, flight no. 41, so I guess my flights were about 15 minutes average. This included a few flights of over an hour. And we get about 1800' AGL on the winch launch which gives us a bit of time to find a thermal.
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Hi Congo. That shows how things have changed since my day. Max altitude from a good launch was about 750 feet - if you we're lucky. Just enough for a circuit & landing. Great fun all the same. The last time I flew a glider was in a Grob 103 while on hoilday in Florida some 8 years ago. Took a trip for old times' sake. About 1 hour airborne from a 4,000 foot aero-tow. Quite a difference I can tell you.
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My first lesson was in a Piper Comanche out of Flying Cloud field (KFCM) in Minnesota. Part of an MAC community of airports including (KMSP), Minneapolis/St. Paul International. I loved it even though it was a little complex for a training flight, retrac gear and all. From there I flew a Piper Tomahawk twice, then on to 6 or so flights in a Piper Warrior II. Other traing I have is one half hour in a tailwheel, Boeing Stearman, 2 summers ago. Lastly, a few hours in a Beechcraft/Raytheon King Air B200 out of Anoka (KANE).
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Nothing exotic here. Just your Basic 172R. I've only flown a "Traumahawk" once. I cant say that I enjoyed it near as much as the Skyhawk.
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cessna 172 . and my instructor was a formal F-4 phantom pilot in the army.lol he was only looking out and listening engine, no altitude or speed needed for him (sorry about my english
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Well, not quite up to the standard of all you old hands, but I had my TIF today.
I don't think it's supposed to be an official lesson but the instructor will count the hour on my 'card'.
It was in a Beechcraft Skipper but I'm too big for the liitle fella' so (when I pass my medical - fingers crossed) I'll be in a Beechcraft Sundowner.
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I started out in power and then went to gliders. I still fly both. My first flight was in a C152. It was a perfect day, clear, warm and sunny, no terbolence. Lately the weathers been crappy. My first glider flight was in a 2-33. It was a decent day, and I remember being intimidated by not having an engine. The one thing I love about powered flight is, that if you mess up your landing you can always go around!
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This will sound wierd but a King Air B200 with my mom at the age of 11.
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