Simviation Forum - ATC traffic warning

Jun 8^th, 2003 at 12:02pm

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I sometimes get a Traffic Warning or Traffic Alert, sometimes as close as a mile. ATC then asks if I see the traffic. I always respond with "Have traffic in sight"' but have never seen any. Is something missing?? Yesterday a Cessna flew right over top of me on my final and butted in front of me so I know my A! traffic is fine. When I get the traffic warning or alert, I change to "Chase" mode but never see any other craft. Whats up with this, anyone know??

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Reply #1 - Jun 8^th, 2003 at 1:00pm

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Sometimes you see 'em, sometimes you dont. I dont usually see them unless its a night/dusk flight and I can make out there lights against the dark background. (I swear I'm much better when I'm flying for real Grin

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Reply #2 - Jun 8^th, 2003 at 2:06pm

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I was wondering about this, too. Sometimes I see them and sometimes I don't. Dusk or night is no problem because I can see the lights. I find it easier to just tell ATC that I see them. They're happy and I'm happy.

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Reply #3 - Jun 8^th, 2003 at 2:40pm

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I used to be happy with that, until I got rearended over Paris by a 737 Angry

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Reply #4 - Jun 8^th, 2003 at 2:46pm

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Would you have felt better if you saw it coming? I'm installing radar gauges at every opportunity.

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Reply #5 - Jun 8^th, 2003 at 5:49pm

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I don't have any problems with AI traffic, but then they aren't usually trying to cross Tower Bridge the hard way or fly under the Golden Gate......

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Reply #6 - Jun 9^th, 2003 at 12:48am

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I turn on the aircraft labels in the aircraft settings menu. If a plane is withing about 10 miles of you, you will see the label even if you can't see the plane.

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Reply #7 - Jun 9^th, 2003 at 6:14pm

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ok here's the deal with traffic alerts if you say you see the traffic it is your responcablity to get your air plane away for the one that you have be alerted to even if you are flying IFR. It is the ATC's problem if you don't see the traffic and you follow what they say to get away for the airplane that is comeing to you. even though i know that most AI atc's are dumb so i don't depend on them.

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Reply #8 - Jun 9^th, 2003 at 9:15pm

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Well, sometimes I saw 'em but usually not
And when I see 'em they're like superrockets at WARP speed!!!
At night things get a little better,but it's hard to see 'em - I think

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Reply #9 - Jun 9^th, 2003 at 9:35pm

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ok here's the deal with traffic alerts if you say you see the traffic it is your responcablity to get your air plane away for the one that you have be alerted to even if you are flying IFR. It is the ATC's problem if you don't see the traffic and you follow what they say to get away for the airplane that is comeing to you. even though i know that most AI atc's are dumb so i don't depend on them.

dillen doeson
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Well, the IFR thing may true for the Flight Simulator... but in real life, that is supposed to be the job of ATC!

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Reply #10 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 5:57am

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The reason you usually don't see the traffic is (1) it's usually so far away it is just a shimmering pixel, and (2) by the time you hear the message the airplane has moved significantly from the position that ATC reported it.

By the way, you don't need to react at all to traffic alerts in the game. They are just annoying. ATC is always giving you warnings for traffic that you don't have the remotest chance of hitting--it's like it gives you an alert anyime a plane gets within 4 miles. The ones for less than one miles usually aren't helpful because the traffic is usualy already past you by the time you see it (especially in jets).

In real life in "non-traffic-pattern-flying", I'm only saw the traffic about half the time. I always wondered why I never saw it so often (my vision is just slightly under and so close to 20/20 that I don't wear glasses, by the way). When I remembered reading about how important seeing the enemy first was to WW2 fighter pilots, I kinda shuddered. I'm not sure how long I woulda lasted before being "bounced".

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Reply #11 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 11:53am

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hey Whiskey, same happens to me, when I fly from SJ Airporto (SBSJ) to SBKP (Campinas facility), 1h15 min TET (total elapsed time) I rather see traffic
the exception took place during the this course cos midway we have an excelent ultralight and experimental a/c grass strip and an "almost tower" control - the heavy traffic will take place only near Campinas circuit whereheavy cargos like fedex's are closing to SBKP so I have to wait cos Beech B-200 is not priority for em.
So I eralize that sometimes fs' ATC is kind of "hysterical" LOL and annoy us with no priority traffic
I think this will change (become cleverer) into fs2004

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Reply #12 - Jun 15^th, 2003 at 5:37pm

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Well, in teh cases that i've had traffic alerts they normally say:

Traffric 4 miles and they kepe warning me if the aircraft is coming towards me. This happens to me on VFR when i get on other aircrafts path......and flight following, so if i don't see them anywhere i put no, if the AI sees me, i put YES.

I have the aircraft labels on, but sometimes AI is either climbing or descending so i can only see them in spot plane or top down.

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