I while ago i was thinkin that all these people that comit crimes mostly get light sentences. I read the Holly's law post and indeed i was quite sadened. I think in about 78% of cases, a person who commits a crime has already done one previously and done his time. I tell ya where i live you see crazy stuff and a lot of crime. Just some years ago a 12 year old was given life in prison ofr accidently killing another girl doin some wrestling stunt. Accidenly. Then i hear some guy who murders 3 people and is given only 13 years in prison. Then a guy who stabbed his wife to death and was given 8 years. As soon as these people do their time they go back on the streets and start killing again. Thats why theres so much crime in the world. I was thinkin about a good solution to this which has its pros and cons.

Why not make a 'Book of Criminal Sentences' where you would look up the number of years a criminal is to be imprisoned depending on a crime. I think its ludicrous to give a killer below 10 years of jail time.  this 'code' could be used in all cases imaginable and could in some cases eliminate the use of a jury if enough evidence is found against the criminal suspect. Also, judges will no longer give wrong sentences to criminals who deserve lots of time.This code of sentences would also loosen up the judicial system which is always strained by so many cases to conduct. Now the con about all this is that there would have to be more prisons built. But the benefits outweigh the bad.

I think this would be a good plan to reduce crime in our world. All one would need is a lot of money, a voice, and lots of supporters. Imagine: murderers doing heavy sentences of about 30 years or more. During their imprisonment, they wont be able to commit crimes therefore reducing number of deaths. We should analyze this. I for one am tired of people dying, being robbed, raped, etc. We've gotta act. If the politicians cant do anything, then we should. With a code like this you could look up the crime, ex: 1st degree murder= life in prison or something like that.Id like to hear what people think bout this. Feel free to post a comment or opinion

I heard an interesting story today....

Recently in Alaska, a bear wondered onto some guy's property, killed his horse, and started destroying everything it could, wreaking havoc on his property. The guy finally took his rifle and killed the bear, now he's in prison

Alaska

I mentioned Alaska in my original post

In good old Britain I am expected to stand by & let some creature break into my home & take anything they want. If I dare lay a hand on them I am the one who will be arrested & end up in jail. Am I the only one who thinks the world has gone mad?  ???

PS. I would risk going to jail rather than let anyone get away with this. They would wish they never picked on me.

I know what you mean Hagar, I caught two little gypsy twerps (I would like to say I'm not a racist, and have taught a number of v.talented students of gypsy origin) trying to break into the flat of my next door neighbour (an elderly lady) a while back. One of them attacked me with a knife (which was his last mistake of the day!), and when the police turned up the pair of them needed to go to hospital (thank God for steel toe-capped British army boots!), and normally here you'd be deep in the brown stuff, but the police asked me what happened (sometimes being a foreigner is soooo handy), and I explained what happened, handed over the knife and said "I gave them a stiff talking too...." the policemans reply was "what the f*** do you do when you shout?"
At least here there is the right of self defence, Britain tragically seems to feel that the criminal has more rights than the victim. Personally I'm for bringing back corporal punishment, and public humiliation (e.g. the stocks), it seems to actually work, but I'm not entirely in favour of capital punishment as that seems to have failed, read the Bently case....

Ozzy

the posts seem to have gotten a bit off topic but its fine..anyhow it seems that some government officials just arent.....sane...in some countries.

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Hmm..well i guess the whole idea in my opinion would work effectively when delt with in murder cases. I am not familiar with the UK's crime and punishment problems but here in the US its just amazing the way murder-related deaths increase every year. The '3 strikes' solution would be able to work too, but it would be slow in reducing deaths. The idea i brought up would make a well-written 'chart' or code of penalties. Its that judges here do not do the proper job in punishing killers. I think thats one of the many sources of the increase in murder; the inability for juries and judges to give correct and sometimes, harsh punishments. A sort of code with specific ranges of jailtime i think is neccessary to ensure that judicial officials dont give too little time to something big. I cant find how this idea woud be impractical; more bad guys off the streets for more periods of time=less and less murder cases each year as the criminals that are supposed to be commiting them are behind bars. the idea in my opinion is simple but definitely would need much revision.

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Well, until science finds a way to 'brainwash' criminals and give them new identities (ive seen too much Star Trek reruns) then this is probably the only way to stop crime, or at least give em 40, 50 years for a depending on the atrocity of the murder and mental state of the murderer; believe it or not some people do change after going to jail.. On occaissions where there are witnesess and evidence which may prove the defendants innocence at the end of a trial or in the case that a given crime has different motives such as passion as you stated, then a long normal trial may proceed as usual. Also there should be enough evidence to show that a given suspect has comitted a crime before the sentence is given...as it is.

well its very good to hear theyre doin something with this measure, and that it is gradually improving things

So that's why Pete asked you to be a moderator!

Alas no Oz, like I said I would be justice without mercy, and that is not a good combination. I'm the sort of guy that would look up paedophiles in the same cell as body building Afro-Carribean homosexual bank robbers just to teach them a lesson.
My uncle is one of Britains most senior prison governors, and I admire him that he can do the job he does. A number of my cousins are policemen or prison warders, and I know I couldn't do their job. They are better men than me........... Alas if you snapped me in two you'd find the word soldier stamped through the middle, and in many ways I have the simple black and white soldiers view of the world.

Ozzy

Brensec

I think now that maybe this 'code' would could be used more appropriately at the end of cases to help ensure that a criminal gets a reasonable amount of jail time. Its incredible how little time some murderers get these days. All because of a judges/juries inability to realize the danger that a killer may prove to society after they are released. Now taht i think about it this 'standard' maybe shouldnt be used to determine the result of a case. Again, i understand that each case is different but as measure 11 law it should cover listed forms of crime. It may not be used in some types of crimes but it should do something with the big ones.

click the link to find out  Almost the same as what im bringin up here

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Being the confirmed old cynic I am, I suggest this is due to women's prisons having more room. It was seriously suggested by our government that burglary no longer be treated as a serious, imprisonable offence. This was purely due to severe shortage of prison space. If things carry on as they are there will be nowhere to put them soon. It was only due to public outcry that this crazy idea was dropped. 

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S'pose they could send them over here.....................Oh sorry, they tried that didn't they?  

(I kill me)