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May 30th, 2003 at 11:16pm

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I while ago i was thinkin that all these people that comit crimes mostly get light sentences. I read the Holly's law post and indeed i was quite sadened. I think in about 78% of cases, a person who commits a crime has already done one previously and done his time. I tell ya where i live you see crazy stuff and a lot of crime. Just some years ago a 12 year old was given life in prison ofr accidently killing another girl doin some wrestling stunt. Accidenly. Then i hear some guy who murders 3 people and is given only 13 years in prison. Then a guy who stabbed his wife to death and was given 8 years. As soon as these people do their time they go back on the streets and start killing again. Thats why theres so much crime in the world. I was thinkin about a good solution to this which has its pros and cons.

Why not make a 'Book of Criminal Sentences' where you would look up the number of years a criminal is to be imprisoned depending on a crime. I think its ludicrous to give a killer below 10 years of jail time.  this 'code' could be used in all cases imaginable and could in some cases eliminate the use of a jury if enough evidence is found against the criminal suspect. Also, judges will no longer give wrong sentences to criminals who deserve lots of time.This code of sentences would also loosen up the judicial system which is always strained by so many cases to conduct. Now the con about all this is that there would have to be more prisons built. But the benefits outweigh the bad.

I think this would be a good plan to reduce crime in our world. All one would need is a lot of money, a voice, and lots of supporters. Imagine: murderers doing heavy sentences of about 30 years or more. During their imprisonment, they wont be able to commit crimes therefore reducing number of deaths. We should analyze this. I for one am tired of people dying, being robbed, raped, etc. We've gotta act. If the politicians cant do anything, then we should. With a code like this you could look up the crime, ex: 1st degree murder= life in prison or something like that.Id like to hear what people think bout this. Feel free to post a comment or opinion
 
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Reply #1 - May 30th, 2003 at 11:28pm
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Some crimes need a life sentence, period!!
But they say thats unfair!!
Why do we have to be "fair" to
these animals? If you come across a
mad-dog, do you worry about "fair"?

There is no answer, we have to watch
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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2003 at 1:19am

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I heard an interesting story today....

Recently in Alaska, a bear wondered onto some guy's property, killed his horse, and started destroying everything it could, wreaking havoc on his property. The guy finally took his rifle and killed the bear, now he's in prison Undecided Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #3 - May 31st, 2003 at 1:21am

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I heard an interesting story today....
Recently in Alaska, a bear wondered onto some guy's property, killed his horse, and started destroying everything it could, wreaking havoc on his property. The guy finally took his rifle and killed the bear, now he's in prison   


Now thats justice gone bad Undecided I wonder what state that happened in..
 
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Reply #4 - May 31st, 2003 at 1:34am

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Reply #5 - May 31st, 2003 at 1:40am

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ok.... Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #6 - May 31st, 2003 at 2:13am

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I mentioned Alaska in my original post Wink
 
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Reply #7 - May 31st, 2003 at 3:36am

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Unfortunately the punishment rarely fits the crime, my uncle is a prison governor and I visited his prison last year. 2 people to a room, with its own cable TV, 3 square meals a day, pool tables, education center, arts and crafts center, music studio.
Err what kind of punishment is this?
In Britain there are 7 times as many support groups for criminals as there are for victims. I think we should take a step back and actually make prison a punishment not a holiday camp.

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Reply #8 - May 31st, 2003 at 3:59am

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In good old Britain I am expected to stand by & let some creature break into my home & take anything they want. If I dare lay a hand on them I am the one who will be arrested & end up in jail. Am I the only one who thinks the world has gone mad?  ???

PS. I would risk going to jail rather than let anyone get away with this. They would wish they never picked on me.
 

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Reply #9 - May 31st, 2003 at 7:28am

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Move to Florida - US ....  IF you break into my house, with obvously violent intentions, I can defend myself, including using 'deadly force' ...  just make sure the body stays INSIDE the house   ..  In other US jurisdictions, you have to retreat as much as possible, say into a closet, or something...before you can blow the person away.

Some states have a "three strikes you're out" law, so that some people are getting life in prison for a "third strike" of what would otherwise be shoplifting something minor....





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In good old Britain I am expected to stand by & let some creature break into my home & take anything they want. If I dare lay a hand on them I am the one who will be arrested & end up in jail. Am I the only one who thinks the world has gone mad?  ???

PS. I would risk going to jail rather than let anyone get away with this. They would wish they never picked on me.

 

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Reply #10 - May 31st, 2003 at 10:26am

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I know what you mean Hagar, I caught two little gypsy twerps (I would like to say I'm not a racist, and have taught a number of v.talented students of gypsy origin) trying to break into the flat of my next door neighbour (an elderly lady) a while back. One of them attacked me with a knife (which was his last mistake of the day!), and when the police turned up the pair of them needed to go to hospital (thank God for steel toe-capped British army boots!), and normally here you'd be deep in the brown stuff, but the police asked me what happened (sometimes being a foreigner is soooo handy), and I explained what happened, handed over the knife and said "I gave them a stiff talking too...." the policemans reply was "what the f*** do you do when you shout?"
At least here there is the right of self defence, Britain tragically seems to feel that the criminal has more rights than the victim. Personally I'm for bringing back corporal punishment, and public humiliation (e.g. the stocks), it seems to actually work, but I'm not entirely in favour of capital punishment as that seems to have failed, read the Bently case....

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Reply #11 - May 31st, 2003 at 10:39am

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I think I heard somewhere before a couple of years back that in Ireland If A criminal is halfway through the window it is illegal to shoot them from inside the house but you can go outside and shoot them If they are still in the window. Then again this could be completely wrong. I was only 7 at the time
 
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Reply #12 - May 31st, 2003 at 10:48am

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the posts seem to have gotten a bit off topic but its fine..anyhow it seems that some government officials just arent.....sane...in some countries.
 
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Reply #13 - May 31st, 2003 at 11:07am

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Oz. I read your original topic carefully. Your ideas have been seriously suggested in this country as we suffer from similar problems. They have always been thrown out as impractical. The problem being that there is no typical crime, take Felix's example of the "3 strikes & you're out" law which was also suggested here.

I don't pretend to know the answer as it has baffled far better brains than mine. To my way of thinking prevention was always better than cure. I feel a little respect wouldn't do any harm. Too many of these criminals have no respect for anyone, including their parents.
 

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Reply #14 - May 31st, 2003 at 11:30am

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Oz. I read your original topic carefully. Your ideas have been seriously suggested in this country as we suffer from similar problems. They have always been thrown out as impractical. The problem being that there is no typical crime, take Felix's example of the "3 strikes & you're out" law which was also suggested here.  


Hmm..well i guess the whole idea in my opinion would work effectively when delt with in murder cases. I am not familiar with the UK's crime and punishment problems but here in the US its just amazing the way murder-related deaths increase every year. The '3 strikes' solution would be able to work too, but it would be slow in reducing deaths. The idea i brought up would make a well-written 'chart' or code of penalties. Its that judges here do not do the proper job in punishing killers. I think thats one of the many sources of the increase in murder; the inability for juries and judges to give correct and sometimes, harsh punishments. A sort of code with specific ranges of jailtime i think is neccessary to ensure that judicial officials dont give too little time to something big. I cant find how this idea woud be impractical; more bad guys off the streets for more periods of time=less and less murder cases each year as the criminals that are supposed to be commiting them are behind bars. the idea in my opinion is simple but definitely would need much revision.
 
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