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May 29th, 2003 at 8:57pm

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It's the 100th year of powered flight and I wanted to look back at the most influential aircraft. Below are the categories and my opinions, please tell us yours.

Most Influentian Passenger Jet: The DH Comet and Avro Can. Jetliner were the first but you can't argue that the Boeing 707 influenced most passenger jets aircraft after it.

Most Influential Modern Jet: The Airbus series is the most influential modern group of aircraft. They brought together top technology and the new A380 promises to return the comfort and luxury of the early days of passenger flight.

Most Influential Fighter Jet: It's a toss up between the Me262 and the Avro CF-105. The 262 brough in the jet age but the Arrow was the first true modern jet fighter. It's design can even be seen in modern supersonic aircraft such as the Concorde.

Most Influential Jet Bomber: Can't argue it's the B-52.

Most Influential Prop Liner: I'd have to say the DC-3 because it brought comfort, speed, and affordability to passenger air travel for the first time.   

Most Influential Prop Fighter: I'd say the Spitfire as it revolutionized air combat. The F4U Corsair is up there too for the same reason.

Most Influential Prop Bomber: Definately the Avro Lancaster. Fast and easy to fly. Looked good too with jet engines too if anyone has ever seen a picture of the "Super Lanc".

Most Influential Overall Prop: The Cessna 172 as it has trained more civilian pilots than any other in it's history.

Most Influential Overall Aircraft: Sure the Wright Flyer started it all but I believe that the Apollo 11 space craft was the most influential because it took Aviation to beyond the limits ever thought possible. It went farther, faster, and endured longer than any aircraft before it.
 

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Reply #1 - May 29th, 2003 at 10:06pm
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BOY!! this list could generate
some heat!!!
Let,s go for it

Prop bomber; B-29 Enola Gay

Prop plane; Spirt of St. Louis

The rest of your list is OK
but us USA'ers will say P-51

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Reply #2 - May 29th, 2003 at 10:20pm

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..but the Arrow was the first true modern jet fighter. It's design can even be seen in modern supersonic aircraft such as the Concorde.


I must disagree with you on that. In my opinion, the F-86 Sabre and Mig15 really changed the jet age and redefined the 'dogfight'. Anyways, heres my list:

Most Influentian Passenger Jet:  Comet and 707 and DC-8

Most Influential Fighter Jet: Me262, F86, and Mig15

Most Influential Modern Jet: Airbus series and 747

Most Influential Jet Bomber: yep, cant argue, 52

Most Influential Prop Liner: yeah, DC3

Most Influential Prop Fighter: Spitfire and P51

Most Influential Prop Bomber: B-17

Most Influential Overall GAProp: yep, 172

Most Influential Overall Aircraft: Well, if there wouldnt have been a Wright flyer there wouldnt have been an airplane and without an airplane there wouldnt have been a spacecraft. The Wright flyer started it all and i think its the most influential cause of that.

BTW this post should be moved to General discussion so it can get more opinions...
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Reply #3 - May 29th, 2003 at 11:57pm

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Boeing 747 - lowered pax costs to open the skies to everyone
Boeing 767 - across the pond on two engines
Me-262 - the first operational jet fighter
B-47 - the cold war backbone
DC-3 - father of modern air travel
Fokker E-III - first true fighter
Fairey Swordfish - Taranto? end of the surface fleets
JN-4 Jenny - brought flight to the common man while barnstorming

And the winner is:

Douglas DC-3

The DC-3 heralded a new era for aviation, a period of viable commercial air travel.
 

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Reply #4 - May 30th, 2003 at 6:43am

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definitaly the 747, also the 777 for his advanced technologies and first ETOPS qualification.
the F100 with the glass cockpit...and the A320 with the side stick. and the Concorde and the Comet!
the DC-3, the first iron plane.

fighter plane...the F-16.
SR-71...helped alot with supersonic flying, developpement of all kinds of technologies.

bombers...of course the B-52...it's still a good testbed for all kinds of technologies but i don't think it influented other AC's

 

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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2003 at 7:04am

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Disclaimer:  This is my opinion on the most *influential* aircraft, not necessarily the most *important*   - In some cases, the same plane would be my choice for both categories.

Taking your original list - my personals:

Most Influential Passenger Jet: Boeing 707 influenced most passenger jets aircraft after it.  - The Comet may have been "first" but the 707 is the one that made jet travel "for the masses" possible.

Most Influential Modern Jet: The 747 was not only the first viable large passenger jet, but still remains the standard by which other large widebodies are compared... even the 777...

Most Influential Fighter Jet: I say a toss up between the F-86 and Mig-15 ..  both redefined combat.  Arguably the CF-105 was the first of the "third generation" but even today, I've seen comparisons of the latest fighters coming out to the F-86/Mig15.

Most Influential Jet Bomber: Can't argue it's the B-52. 

Most Influential Prop Liner: I'd have to say the DC-3 because it brought comfort, speed, and affordability to passenger air travel for the first time.

Most Influential Prop Fighter: I'd place the Me109 as the most influential because it was the first of the "modern"  fighters used in combat and defnitely led the way from the biplane era reliance on maneouverability and "weak"  armament.

Most Influential Prop Bomber: Rather than a specific plane, I'd go for the large four-engined bombers - Lanc/B-17/B-24 that carried the brunt of the bombing war against the axis, showing the strategic bombing campaign.

Most Influential Overall Prop: The Taylorcraft/Piper Cub - re-defined personal/private aircraft.

Most Influential Overall Aircraft: The Wright Flyer

 

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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2003 at 4:21pm

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Passenger Jet: 707
Modern Jet: SR-71 Lightning II and right behind it is the Bell X-1
Jet Bomber: B-52
Fighter Jet: F-117 stealth and possibly the Aurora
Prop Liner: American Airlines Tri-Star Constellation, Simply the most Beautiful plane ever built.
Prop Fighter: P-47 Thunderbolt. IT did EVERYTHING and got its pilot home. No other fighter could take so many different missions in its stride. The 51 fought better but could be disabled easier. The Spitfire's greatest Advantage was RADAR. Given the Same conditions that the 109 had, the Spit was no better than the 109. The P-47  in WWII  had the lowest mission loss Percentage @0.07%. It was a High Altitude Fighter, Precision Bomber and Excellent ground unit supporter.
Prop Bomber: B-25 Mitchell. Billy Mitchell proved that Naval Battleships were obsolete and proceded to design his concept of a Bomber. It was the only Bomber to take off from a Carrier in WWII and the Raid on Tokyo was a Great Morale Booster.The B-25 was more numrous and flew more missions than any Bomber of WWII.
Most influential Prop flyer: Lindenberg's Spirit of St.Louis
Most influential Aircraft: Wright Flyer
 
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Reply #7 - May 30th, 2003 at 4:37pm

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Fighter Jet: F-117 stealth and possibly the Aurora


Actually the F-117 is a bomber, not a fighter
 
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Reply #8 - May 30th, 2003 at 4:42pm

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all nice this but:

for the jet fighter and bomber and the prop fighter and bomber you can't make yourself off with this.

at least try to get the jet fighthers in 2 sides (NATO and soviet) and split them up in categories (sorted by conflict or so). that's the only way everyone will be happy

And why has noone mentioned the Fokker F7b? that's the aircraft which invented commercial long range flying
 

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Reply #9 - May 30th, 2003 at 4:48pm

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Oh i almost forgot

Second Most Influential Prop Liner: The Boeing 314 Clipper
 
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Reply #10 - May 30th, 2003 at 8:22pm

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Actually the F-117 is a bomber, not a fighter


Actually the F-117 is a fighter according to the Smithsonian Air and Space museum. If it was a bomber, it would be called the B-117. It's probably more like an interceptor.

I would rank the F-14 Tomcat as most influential modern jet fighter. It combines advantages taken from past aircraft including the F-86, Mig-15, Arrow etc. I believe it's also the fastest fighter in the USN Airforce.
 

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Reply #11 - May 30th, 2003 at 8:35pm
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To the people of Berlin,
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Reply #12 - May 30th, 2003 at 9:21pm

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Actually the F-117 is a fighter according to the Smithsonian Air and Space museum. If it was a bomber, it would be called the B-117. It's probably more like an interceptor. 


Yeah, its classified as a fighter but is barely one. It isnt an interceptor as it has no cannon, missles, etc. All it can carry is a 2-bomb load. Apparently the air force offcials thought it didnt look like a bomber so they put an F designation. The F117 is technically and unnoficially a bomber though
 
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Reply #13 - May 30th, 2003 at 9:29pm

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The best aircraft is the Piper J3 Cub and PA-11 SuperCruiser PA-18 SuperCub 150Horse Power
 
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Reply #14 - May 31st, 2003 at 5:56am

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Yeah, its classified as a fighter but is barely one. It isnt an interceptor as it has no cannon, missles, etc. All it can carry is a 2-bomb load. Apparently the air force offcials thought it didnt look like a bomber so they put an F designation. The F117 is technically and unnoficially a bomber though


when you read books, documents,... about the modern US bombers, you only get info about the B-1, B-2 and B-52...so i don't think they see the Nighthawk as a bomber.
 

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Reply #15 - May 31st, 2003 at 7:28am

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when you read books, documents,... about the modern US bombers, you only get info about the B-1, B-2 and B-52...so i don't think they see the Nighthawk as a bomber.


Yep, cause of the Fighter designation. Like i said air force officials probably thought it didnt look like a bomber. Thats quite ironic though cause tha plane is armed with only 2 bombs. Hmm...im thinkin...maybe they but the F designation to prevent project workers from leaking out correct info and to lure off any 'rats' by thinkin it was gonna be a fighter at the construction stage. But unofficially it is basically and technically a bomber.
 
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Reply #16 - May 31st, 2003 at 7:38am

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You have a point there ....

and to many others, the best aircraft ever is that Labrador, Jolly Green Giant that plucked them out of the mountain, water, jungle, or that medevac that took a crash victim to the hospital... or the LearJet that rushed a still viable heart ....

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Reply #17 - Jun 1st, 2003 at 10:43am

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Mmm,

How about

Most influential prop bomber - DH Mosquito - carry the same load as B17 and helped to make night bombing far more accurate, and was the first bomber design to outrun the enemy, having no defensive armament - it was also made of wood therefore saving precious metal...

Jet bomber - Canberra - must be good 'cos the US built it under license, a sort of jet mossie...

Most influential prop fighter - VS Spitfire; did all the roles of P-47, fought in the most ferocious air battles of WW2 from 1939 - 1945, was a photo recce aircraft, low level attack aircraft, made the highest interception of ww2, carried beer into europe under its wings, became an advanced trainer after the war and above all else is far, far prettier than any other prop fighter. It came in nicer colours too... Smiley

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Reply #18 - Jun 1st, 2003 at 3:11pm

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i'm just going to say concorde as my head hurts to go into a detailed explination of each and every one:) you people seem to have more time on your hands than i do Tongue Grinbut with concorde you have the fastest possible way for passengers across the atlantic, or did. theres nothing like it and dont say concordeski because if it was like concorde i would still be flying today, and if you were to ask anyone on the street to name it from a picture more people would get it right than any other plane(not fact just what i have read elsewhere)
ok maybe i do have to much time, and perhaps coffee to Grin
 
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Reply #19 - Jun 5th, 2003 at 7:59am

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Hmm...im thinkin...maybe they but the F designation to prevent project workers from leaking out correct info and to lure off any 'rats' by thinkin it was gonna be a fighter at the construction stage. But unofficially it is basically and technically a bomber.

The whole issue on the F-117 is brought on by the disinformation the military uses. First of all, your right, it is a bomber, however the F-111, and the F-105 were used as bombers so maybe it should be called the FB-117. The second point is this...why is it called the F-117? In 1962 DOD had re-designed the numering system for aircraft  to make it more uniformed between the sevices. Any new aircraft would start with 1. The last number under the old system for fighters was the F-110 AKA the F-4.

Most infuential aircraft is any aircraft that has been designed and/or built. I know its leaves it wide open, but if I must choose it would be the Wright Flyer also
 

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Reply #20 - Jul 17th, 2003 at 6:06am

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After flying for about three hours, while still nearly 100 miles from Hiroshima, he and his pilot saw a great cloud of smoke from the bomb. In the bright afternoon, the remains of Hiroshima were burning.
Tokyo's first knowledge of what had really caused the disaster came from the White House public announcement in Washington sixteen hours after Hiroshima had been hit by the atomic bomb.
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it was a b-29 ;the most infuluential aircraft .
.influented millions  Cry
 
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