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May 27th, 2003 at 5:02pm

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I hope everyone won't mind me putting this on please please take the time and put your name on this..

you will be doing it for all kids.... Wink Wink Wink Grin


Subject: Holly's Law - Please Read
>.
> > Please take the two minutes it takes to read.
> >
> > "Monday May 12, one day after mother's day, ten year old Holly Jones said
> > goodbye to her mother for the last time. Her tiny body washed ashore of
> > Toronto's Wards Island less than 24 hours later sexually assaulted,
> > dismembered and entombed in several black duffle bags.
> >
> > Two Hundred and forty three convicted child molesters live within 3 km of
> > Holly's west end Toronto neighbourhood.
> >
> > Under the current law, a convicted child molester can be released into the
> > community after serving relatively light sentences. Their rights to
>freedom
> > and privacy is protected by law while members of the community in which
>they
> > live are not entitled to notification of there presence in their
> > neighbourhood. Convicted child molesters are allowed to interact freely
>with
> > our children even when there is a known and real threat for them to
> > reoffend.
> >
> > Holly's law - will clarify the definition of a child molester, make it a
> > federal offence, and incarcerate any convicted child molester for life"
> >
> > Please go to the Web site www.hollyslaw.ca and sign the petition they are
> > trying to pass.
> >
> > And please pass this on to any/and everybody you can.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
 

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Reply #1 - May 27th, 2003 at 5:03pm

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already signed it from previous post no idea why ya moved it here though Grin
sorry i just had to
 
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Reply #2 - May 27th, 2003 at 5:05pm

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already signed it from previous post no idea why ya moved it here though Grin
sorry i just had to

i moved it because it was said to be in the wrong topic
 

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Reply #3 - May 27th, 2003 at 5:07pm

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i know i was just being a bit of an ass, its getting late thats what i tend to be after 10pm Grin
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Reply #4 - May 27th, 2003 at 5:25pm

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That was so sad. Unfortunatly her killer is probably half way to Mexico by now. I signed the petition anyway.
Something needs to be done to stop these perverts. Not to sound too political so I won't get into detail, but unfortunately the Canadian Government is more concerned with less important things.  Cry
 

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Reply #5 - May 27th, 2003 at 6:09pm

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I hope everyone won't mind me putting this on please please take the time and put your name on this..

you will be doing it for all kids.... Wink Wink Wink Grin


Subject: Holly's Law - Please Read
>.
> > Please take the two minutes it takes to read.
> >
> > "Monday May 12, one day after mother's day, ten year old Holly Jones said
> > goodbye to her mother for the last time. Her tiny body washed ashore of
> > Toronto's Wards Island less than 24 hours later sexually assaulted,
> > dismembered and entombed in several black duffle bags.
> >
> > Two Hundred and forty three convicted child molesters live within 3 km of
> > Holly's west end Toronto neighbourhood.
> >
> > Under the current law, a convicted child molester can be released into the
> > community after serving relatively light sentences. Their rights to
>freedom
> > and privacy is protected by law while members of the community in which
>they
> > live are not entitled to notification of there presence in their
> > neighbourhood. Convicted child molesters are allowed to interact freely
>with
> > our children even when there is a known and real threat for them to
> > reoffend.
> >
> > Holly's law - will clarify the definition of a child molester, make it a
> > federal offence, and incarcerate any convicted child molester for life"
> >
> > Please go to the Web site www.hollyslaw.ca and sign the petition they are
> > trying to pass.
> >
> > And please pass this on to any/and everybody you can.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>


My ex partner concentrated her whole career in this area & I learned a thing or 2 over the years .. I'm also a dad ...

The main 2 points about publishing offenders names is that you drive them undergroud. They seek personal safety (you don't think they will stay put for a moment following publicity? .. .. errmmm .. no they don't .... ! ) & the police then lose track of them. The way things are now has been VERY carefully worked out from experience over many years. The police know where they are - they have to report in & their activity is monitored minutely.

The other aspect is that in any humane society encouraging the lynch-mob mentality - where the cotton brains in the neighbourhood take the law into their own hands - is simply cretinous ...

Jeeze - what a depressing subject  Roll Eyes ... I'm not even going to look at this again ...

OK - off to find something nice to read   Cheesy
 

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Reply #6 - May 27th, 2003 at 6:20pm

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I recommend Artemis Fowl. Wink
 

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Reply #7 - May 27th, 2003 at 6:42pm

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My ex partner concentrated her whole career in this area & I learned a thing or 2 over the years .. I'm also a dad ...

The main 2 points about publishing offenders names is that you drive them undergroud. They seek personal safety (you don't think they will stay put for a moment following publicity? .. .. errmmm .. no they don't .... ! ) & the police then lose track of them. The way things are now has been VERY carefully worked out from experience over many years. The police know where they are - they have to report in & their activity is monitored minutely.

The other aspect is that in any humane society encouraging the lynch-mob mentality - where the cotton brains in the neighbourhood take the law into their own hands - is simply cretinous ...

Jeeze - what a depressing subject  Roll Eyes ... I'm not even going to look at this again ...

OK - off to find something nice to read   Cheesy


You have to know the whole story Pete to understand what the people want. So I'll explain it.  Wink
In Holly's neighbourhood in Toronto, (I forget exactly where) there are 200 registered sex offenders living in the area.   Undecided What the people want is to create a national DNA registry for all first time sex offenders. The hope of this is that if the criminal's DNA is found on a victim, they can analize it and imput it into the database and pinpoint the assailant. In Ontario, there is already a DNA database for sex offenders, but their DNA is only logged after their second offence. People want a national registry because, like you said, these people do move around a lot. A recent pole by a local CTV station shows that 100% of viewers are in favor of this.

What Stormy said is a part of what is wanted but the DNA registry is the main request. I don't know how much she's heard about it out in BC but there's been a lot of stuff on this case on the Toronto news for the past two weeks. They believe they have found the killer. He was seen bording a ferry for Ward Island carring several black duffle bags. He is yet to be ID'd If anyone has any information please call Crime Stoppers of Toronto at 416-222-TIPS.
 

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Reply #8 - May 27th, 2003 at 6:56pm

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I believe that we have a law like that one in the US. Its called Megans Law. Any time a level 3 sex offender moves the police MUST notify the residents in the area. This is NOT ment for the residents to torment the S.O.(even though he should have his you-know whats cut off)  but to put the residents on notice to keep an eye on their children.

I hope, that if "Hollys Law" is like Megans law, it is passed in to law
 

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Reply #9 - May 27th, 2003 at 6:58pm

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You have to know the whole story Pete to understand what the people want. So I'll explain it.  Wink
In Holly's neighbourhood in Toronto, (I forget exactly where) there are 200 registered sex offenders living in the area.   Undecided What the people want is to create a national DNA registry for all first time sex offenders. The hope of this is that if the criminal's DNA is found on a victim, they can analize it and imput it into the database and pinpoint the assailant. In Ontario, there is already a DNA database for sex offenders, but their DNA is only logged after their second offence. People want a national registry because, like you said, these people do move around a lot. A recent pole by a local CTV station shows that 100% of viewers are in favor of this.

What Stormy said is a part of what is wanted but the DNA registry is the main request. I don't know how much she's heard about it out in BC but there's been a lot of stuff on this case on the Toronto news for the past two weeks. They believe they have found the killer. He was seen bording a ferry for Ward Island carring several black duffle bags. He is yet to be ID'd If anyone has any information please call Crime Stoppers of Toronto at 416-222-TIPS.

Thank you that is exactly what i was meaning.... maybe between yours and mine we can get more to understand what i am saying... thanks again.. smiles all..............
 

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Reply #10 - May 28th, 2003 at 12:21am

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Why does the government prioritize the safety of peverted compulsive criminals rather then little innocent children? It makes me sick..... Undecided

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I believe that we have a law like that one in the US. Its called Megans Law. Any time a level 3 sex offender moves the police MUST notify the residents in the area.


Don't all sex offenders have to register? They should imo

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This is NOT ment for the residents to torment the S.O.(even though he should have his you-know whats cut off)  but to put the residents on notice to keep an eye on their children.


If I had my way, i'd kill all of them perverts. One of them i would particularly enjoy rendering a slow and painfull death Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry
 
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Reply #11 - May 28th, 2003 at 12:38am

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Why does the government prioritize the safety of peverted compulsive criminals rather then little innocent children? It makes me sick..... Undecided


Don't all sex offenders have to register? They should imo


If I had my way, i'd kill all of them perverts. One of them i would particularly enjoy rendering a slow and painfull death Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

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Reply #12 - May 28th, 2003 at 12:55am

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"you tell them Andrew.."
Oh did you  put your name  on the list?


yeah, but since i'm an American and not Canadian, I doubt my vote has much merit ???
 
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Reply #13 - May 28th, 2003 at 7:01am

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As you can see there are pros and cons to these laws.  If you go to http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-legmeg.htm you will get a basic idea what this law is about, and there is a color coded map near the bottom.. You will notice that there are differnt ways that states releases info. In NYS where I live, in order to look at the list in my town, I have to fill out an on-line form so if I were to go and harrass an S.O. the state could use that against me.

"Anyone who uses this information to injure, harass, or commit a criminal act against any person may be subject to criminal prosecution."

Yew Andrew, ALL S.O.'s have to regester, but only the level 3's are the ones that the public is notified about. 

Its realy too bad that we almost have to have a gate, fence, leash, and a Lo-Jack sytem on our kids just so they can play in the back yard or even go to school
 

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Reply #14 - May 29th, 2003 at 10:43pm

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You know, I have worked around a lot of kids lately. A lot of nice looking ones too. These "nice-looking" kids are at a much higher danger of being molested. I have undergone some training in recognizing sexual abuse. Its supprisingly simple how it works. Its is scary. A lot of my students also have parents with a larger ammount of funds than other kids, which is another danger. Another factor is, I have several students who have one parent. This is the second most dangerous part.

Here is how it works
  • A convicted child molester never only "strikes" once or twice. Usually, these smooth talkers do it about 100 times before they are caught, as most times a child will never say anything about it
  • Most cases occur in single parent dwellings
  • The average age of a molestor is - get this - 14
  • Most molestors are boys or young men - rarely older men as shown and stereotyped by the media
  • Most victims are young,  girls, between the ages of 3 years and 17 years of age
  • Molestors are very smooth talkers
  • Molestors tell the victims that they will protect them if they don't tell
  • Molestors are careful not to be caught
  • Molestors scare children by telling them bad things will happen to them or their parents if they tell anyone
  • Most molestors are never caught
  • Molestors attempt to "make-up" for molestation to the victim by buying toys, candy, food, gifts, or other items
  • Molestors gain trust of the victims parents
  • Most victims feel it is their own fault


Since there are a lot of kids here, I want you to all to be able to feel comfortable with talking to me, or someone else. I have dealt with several cases in the past, often being the only person to be told. I am willing to take time out of my day to help anyone here get out of this situation. If you want to talk to me, feel free to IM me, email me, or contact me on AOL Instant Messenger at riptide7565
 

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Reply #15 - May 30th, 2003 at 2:16am

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Very true brad.

These perverts just don't care that what they're doing is actually ruining young girls' lives. These SOBs who do these things don't deserve to live. Execution is too good for them.

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Reply #16 - May 30th, 2003 at 3:54pm

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Another thing you can do, if you are not comfortable talking with me, in the US, call 911.
 

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Reply #17 - May 30th, 2003 at 4:08pm

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i for one will not sign this petition
it is not right
if you say that child molesters should get life in prison.... why dont murderers get life???? huh????
if you are a child molesters get convicted, they automatically get life, but killers, no they can get off in 30 or 50 years (or sooner with parole)

you say that all S.O's should be killed....
you sir, are out of your mind
that just brings you down to their level, or even lower.

im not saying being a child molester is a small thing, but that is in no way a reason to send someone to prison for life
 

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Reply #18 - May 30th, 2003 at 4:40pm

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Wolf. I have not signed the petition as I believe there are wider issues involved which I am not qualified to discuss. However, please remember that many child molesters also murder their innocent victims as in the case of poor little Holly. It is also recognised that they rarely show any remorse or see any wrong in their actions, ever. That takes some thinking about. Sad
 

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Reply #19 - May 30th, 2003 at 5:18pm

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i for one will not sign this petition
it is not right
if you say that child molesters should get life in prison.... why dont murderers get life???? huh????
if you are a child molesters get convicted, they automatically get life, but killers, no they can get off in 30 or 50 years (or sooner with parole)

you say that all S.O's should be killed....
you sir, are out of your mind
that just brings you down to their level, or even lower.

im not saying being a child molester is a small thing, but that is in no way a reason to send someone to prison for life


DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT THIS WAS TRULY ABOUT OR ARE YOU GOING BYE PEOPLE  WORDS ARE ON HERE. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH  GOING TO JAIL FOR LIFE..
 

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Reply #20 - May 30th, 2003 at 6:04pm

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DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT THIS WAS TRULY ABOUT OR ARE YOU GOING BYE PEOPLE  WORDS ARE ON HERE. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH  GOING TO JAIL FOR LIFE..


Yes, I explained what this was truly about already. It's not about prison but a national DNA registry for all sex offenders. I think Wolf is insane for not signing because this new DNA law is to protect Canada's most vulnerable members of society. That's something we should all be for.

For updated on this story you can visit:
http://www.torontosun.com
http://www.thestar.com
http://www.nationalpost.com
http://www.pulse24.com

 

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Reply #21 - May 30th, 2003 at 10:51pm

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Yes, I explained what this was truly about already. It's not about prison but a national DNA registry for all sex offenders. I think Wolf is insane for not signing because this new DNA law is to protect Canada's most vulnerable members of society. That's something we should all be for.

For updated on this story you can visit:
http://www.torontosun.com
http://www.thestar.com
http://www.nationalpost.com
http://www.pulse24.com



Thanks orenda635  .. but i was directing that last message to Wolf 8218.. I like how you have explained it to help others as well understand what this is about..
 

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Reply #22 - Jun 20th, 2003 at 9:28pm

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I'd like to update this story. They finally caught the basterd who killed that little girl. They're now conducting forensic investigations to prove him guilty. It won't be long until this sick freak is rotting in Kingston Pen, Canada's prison for the most infamous of criminals. It also turns that the killer's house was only a two minute walk away from Holly's. She probably knew him, as in most cases. Hopefully he's the guy and this awful case can finally be put to rest.
You can learn more by clicking on the news links in my above post.
 

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Reply #23 - Jun 20th, 2003 at 9:31pm

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I'd like to update this story. They finally caught the basterd who killed that little girl. They're now conducting forensic investigations to prove him guilty. It won't be long until this sick freak is rotting in Kingston Pen, Canada's prison for the most infamous of criminals. It also turns that the killer's house was only a two minute walk away from Holly's. She probably knew him, as in most cases. Hopefully he's the guy and this awful case can finally be put to rest.
You can learn more by clicking on the news links in my above post.

Thank you .. I just saw that as well.   and letrs hope its over now
 

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Reply #24 - Jun 21st, 2003 at 1:33am

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Speaking from the point of view of being the son of a sex offender I can say honestly that no punishment is too harsh for these people.  My father molested several young girls and boys over his life, including my cousin, the niece I was going to adopt, and several of my little brothers friends.  All this liberal crap about 'oh, we must be understanding, and patient' is just that.  Was he patient with the lives he ruined?  Did he stop to think about all the pain he was going to cause?  That's just five lives he damaged and for what?  Something he could have got for three dollars in a porno theater.  I have dealt with a counselor about this for some time now and he says that it comes from a bad childhood and the 'need to touch something pure.'  Bullshit.  I had a shitty childhood and have yet to feel like molesting a child will make it better.  To this day, I rarely speak to my father (and mother, who tried to cover it up) and would not dream of leaving my children alone with them.

My older sister was instrumental in having the law changed here in the US so that there is no statute of limitations on child molestation.  She was abused by a cousin of mine and still bears those scars, even though she is heading towards fifty now.

So as far as I am concerned, the government (Canada or the US) cannot be too harsh on these perverts.  Chemical castration, physical castration, wearing a bracelet forever, registering forever, I don't give a rat's ass what you do.  Just get these pigs off of the streets.

I signed the petition and I would again without hesitation.
 

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Reply #25 - Jun 21st, 2003 at 1:42am

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CryThank you for putting  your exp in here ,I hope others  can take a little from what you said and understand better.. I am truly sorry for you and yours over what you must have gone through and still are going through..
 

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Reply #26 - Jun 21st, 2003 at 11:26am

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Well Said Kdryan
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So as far as I am concerned, the government (Canada or the US) cannot be too harsh on these perverts.  Chemical castration, physical castration, wearing a bracelet forever, registering forever, I don't give a rat's ass what you do.  Just get these pigs off of the streets.


Glad to see that you "escaped" and are now raising two beautiful children. I have a 1 1/2 year old girl myself and can't even imagine. I'd like to say it again!!!!!!

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