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May 15th, 2003 at 10:00am

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i can talk hours and hours about this plane but i'd like to know what you guys know about this awesome bomber.
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Reply #1 - May 15th, 2003 at 6:43pm

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what i Know ( Wink) about it:

very very expensive
based off a previous protype bomber (think it was the yb-49 or something like that)
believe it is still top secret
had problems during testing with stability
carries the most ordinance out of any stealth aircraft
i think** that it can go close to or break the speed of sound
pilots turning is taken by the computer, and then the computer flies the plane
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Reply #2 - May 15th, 2003 at 10:01pm

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what he said, and that it is the USAF aircraft I have never seen Cry
 

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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2003 at 4:49am

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  • it's so unstable in flight that the main reset swithc for the flight control system is within arms reach of the pilot
  • it costs more money than some countries WHOLE state budget
  • Based on german tailless-aricraft resarch from the second world war.
  • rumours go about it having a star-trek like shield system to produce extra ECM capabilities.
  • has been repainted from total black to a dark grey scheme, just as the other stealth aircraft of the USAF to make it less 'dark' when operating in daylight.]
  • on board facilities include an oven and crew rest beds.
  • it's still one of the biggest crowd pullers on airshows throughout the world
 

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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2003 at 7:24am

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the whole B2 project costed 45 000 000 000USD Shocked. the result: 21 bombers...so you can calculate the unit cost yourself.

it's based on the Northrop YB-49.

it gets a new repaint every three months (RAM skin)

the early B-2's had a system which injected a chemical liquid in the nozzles to reduce the formation of contrails. they have also lasers who adapt the throttle when there is too much formation of contrails behind the plane.

a B-2 mission can take up to 40 hours!

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Reply #5 - May 16th, 2003 at 12:06pm

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Jack Northrop was into flying wings since before WW2, and especially after WW2.  If memory serves me right, the YB-49 was intended to fulfill the same role as the B-36.  I have no doubt that captured German documents (Horten) were also a part of the Northrop development, but they were also pretty welll on the way already.

The B-2's dimensions are very similar to the B-49, maybe within inches.

Jack Northrop was shown a model of the B-2, the airplane that finally fulfilled his dreams of a "flying wing" shortly before his death.

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  • Based on german tailless-aricraft resarch from the second world war.

 

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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2003 at 11:14pm

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Teacher!  BH's getting off topic!  <THWACK>  You're getting to be almost as bad as Inspector Poly....

Back on Topic - I am impressed by those long duration missions  -  undertaken by the B-2s ...



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by Curtis in 193?

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b1-42.htm

a bit of an ugly thing!!

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Reply #7 - May 23rd, 2003 at 8:53am

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I have friends that work on B-2's plus I had to take schooling to work on them as well, I can tell you this much most of the info out on it is not true key word is most... Shocked
 
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Reply #8 - May 29th, 2003 at 11:22pm

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Undeniably true (from the list above):

It's expensive  ..
It's a crowd pleaser....


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I have friends that work on B-2's plus I had to take schooling to work on them as well, I can tell you this much most of the info out on it is not true key word is most... Shocked

 

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Reply #9 - May 30th, 2003 at 12:56pm

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Quote:
Undeniably true (from the list above):

It's expensive  ..
It's a crowd pleaser....




you gotta love her!
 

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Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2003 at 7:35pm

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Hey boys you missed a vital and amazing fact about the B2... Its the only fixed wing aircraft where the pilot sits on the right withthe co-pilot on the left. Tongue
 

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Reply #11 - Jul 17th, 2003 at 9:57am

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I think that for the price of one of these things, every school in America could have new computers.  We need to get our priorities straight...
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2003 at 2:45pm

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The B-2 has the same wingspan (172ft) as the 1947 YB-49 prototype.

Source: X-planes at Edwards (Motorbooks)
 
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Reply #13 - Sep 7th, 2003 at 6:37pm

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I saw one of these planes at an airshow in my hometown (Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada) a while back.  It was cool to see!!! Grin I also saw the F-117.  It was only a static display.  I would have liked to see it fly like the B-2A.

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Reply #14 - May 17th, 2004 at 4:05pm

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I think that for the price of one of these things, every school in America could have new computers.  We need to get our priorities straight...


Yeah.. kids could look up porno at school instead of doing their work OR we could have one of the deadliest weapons on the planet which helps to ensure those same kids will grow up some day.  Seems pretty straight to me.
 
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Reply #15 - May 17th, 2004 at 4:13pm

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It's not deadly.  It's useless.  It can't fly in rain, can't fly faster than sound, and isn't even invisible on radar.  They break like a 90 yo with osteoprosis.  It has a low radar shadow, not NO radar shadow.  And they cost around a billion each.  Now add the fact that they have absolutley no mission, and you have the biggest white elephant of all time.
 

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Reply #16 - May 17th, 2004 at 5:03pm

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Not a million years ago, when on the run in to do a fly past at Farnbrough, the B2 stealth bomber was picked up on a radar test set.

So, it really is useless. Tongue
 

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Reply #17 - May 18th, 2004 at 3:07am

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'Diamond' training...

The thing is stealth under certain angles only, the crew has to learn that
 

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Reply #18 - May 21st, 2004 at 7:22pm

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load of codswallop. (rubbish) Smiley
im sure the money could have been used more widely. the whole world hunger thing. whats the point of buillding a bomber when there are perfectly good ones which are still in use. i agree, plan for the future and everything. but im sure planning culd cost a little less! Shocked
 

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Reply #19 - May 27th, 2004 at 10:43pm

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Not a million years ago, when on the run in to do a fly past at Farnbrough, the B2 stealth bomber was picked up on a radar test set.

So, it really is useless. Tongue


I agree totally but,

1 : Would it not have to be at a certain height to be "Stealthy"?
2 : They KNEW it was coming
3 : WHEN WAS THIS - WHY WASN'T I TOLD  Angry

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Reply #20 - May 27th, 2004 at 10:44pm

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It's not deadly.  It's useless.  It can't fly in rain, can't fly faster than sound, and isn't even invisible on radar.  They break like a 90 yo with osteoprosis.  It has a low radar shadow, not NO radar shadow.  And they cost around a billion each.  Now add the fact that they have absolutley no mission, and you have the biggest white elephant of all time.


Indeed - but you gotta love it  8)

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Reply #21 - May 28th, 2004 at 4:29am

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About the speed: It's a stealth... why do you want a sonic boom if you are trying to sneak in.
They had a mission (dropping nukes on ICBMs in the Soviet Union) , and are in the progress of being adapted for a more fitting mission (Laser-guided bombing with ground support)
 

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Reply #22 - May 28th, 2004 at 6:21am

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they can make it stealthy if they won't but it isn't always. eg while on training missions or refueling flights, it's interesting for every pilot or controller to have that thing on the radar, not? or, like Farnborough, on airshows!

i know that they put small bricks of aluminium on the fuselage of an Nighthawk to make it visible on radar. i guess they can do the same thing with the budget bomber  Wink
 

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Reply #23 - May 28th, 2004 at 8:27am

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i know that they put small bricks of aluminium on the fuselage of an Nighthawk to make it visible on radar. i guess they can do the same thing with the budget bomber  Wink

WOW - you really DO learn something new everyday  Grin

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Reply #24 - Aug 24th, 2004 at 8:48am

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Lets face it

The B2 is just not a B52 Grin

The B52 is supposed to last until or longer then 2040, I can't see the B2 doing that!!

Anyone know of a good B52 for FS2204?
 
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Reply #25 - Aug 25th, 2004 at 6:07am

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Lets face it

The B2 is just not a B52 Grin

The B52 is supposed to last until or longer then 2040, I can't see the B2 doing that!!

Anyone know of a good B52 for FS2204?

lets first wait for FS2204 before we start searching for add ons for it!  Grin

there isn't really a good Buff available for it...Bonzonie's Buff was made for FS2002 and it's getting old...like the real ones.  Wink

 

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Reply #26 - Aug 25th, 2004 at 1:31pm

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Reply #27 - Aug 26th, 2004 at 4:25pm

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The B2, like the Seawolf class submarine, isn't about producing a required weapons platform.  It's about maintaining the US defense industry.  Call it "corporate welfare".  The project was a cash infusion for Northrope so that they wouldn't go out of business because the US gov wasn't comfortable reducing the military industrial base in that area (same with Electric Boat and Seawolf and the Comanche and its prime (Sikorski IIRC)).

That said, the US really does need a new heavy bomber.  The only thing in the arsenal other then the B2 is the B52.  The B1 never really worked (though it's a beautiful plane), and its failure has produced a HUGE hole in the US arsenal.  Now that we're in the year 2004 and not 1994 I'd argue that the hole is best filled by something without a human on board, but that's a whole other topic.  So yes, the money spent on the B2 had to be spent to fill a vital role in the US armerment.  That is, assuming you believe the US needs the ability to project air power beyond its boarders.

As for its function, I believe the secrecy surrounding the craft is probably a reason for the perception that it doesn't work.  Any aircraft will show up on radar at an air show.  I'd assume its transponder was on the whole time (not a piece of equipment likely to be used when in unfriendly airspace).  No aircraft is 100% stealthy, but it's likely stealthier then a F117, and that has a radar CS equivelant to a BB (at what range will a defense radar detect a BB?  20 feet?  Not a lot of reaction time to respond to an air threat 20 feet away).  And why would the plane have to fly in rain?  It's mission profile is high altitude heavy bombing.  Take off, fly over the weather, drop bombs, land.  I'm sure it can "fly" in rain, but it may not be able to terrain follow in rain (not that it would ever need to terrain follow in any weather).  As for speed, what part does speed play in survivability for this weapon's platform?

If you're going to criticize a weapons platform at least first understand its role.  Saying a B2 isn't a viable aircraft because it's slow and can't fly in rain is like saying a cessna 172 isn't a good airplane because it won't carry as many passengers as a 747.
 
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Reply #28 - Oct 16th, 2004 at 3:25pm

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Stealth aircraft such as the F-117 and B-2 have radar reflectors which can be extended or retracted so that they CAN be seen on radar... check go check out some pictures of them and you'll see little pointy black thing sticking up off the wings and stuff.  (And I'm not talking about the pitot tube and other stuff on the F-117's nose)

Also, if you read/watch programs about the aircraft you will know that the aircraft is NOT invisable to radar.  Nobody claims that... they're just a lot tricker to see on the radar.  And as mentioned they use certain tactics to minimize the chances of being seen. 

Also, what makes you think we even know anything about the aircraft?  We probably won't even know how useful it really is untill it's practically retired.  C'mon
 

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