Hi there, Paul,
What a simple solution. They always say you never see it if it is staring you in the face. Like you, it boils down to only about six planes I ever fly. I am going to shift mine out of the game to a spare folder. I assume that if you then select aircraft, it will load quicker?
With addon scenery, why is it that some really detailed airports do not affect my frame rate, but others, ie Liverpool that I installed yesterday, which is not highly detailed, make my computer stand still? Forgive my ignorance, but I am not a 'buff'.
Changing subject, with ref. to 'Keeping down the kilobytes' thanks for the replies, and they certainly were of help!
Regards,
Tony C  (Bucks, UK0

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Hi Tony...!
I don't think removing the planes to a seperate folder affects the loading times, It just reduces the list of planes in the "Select Aircraft" drop-down menu and makes it quicker to find the one that you want... ...!
..."quicker" I like... ...!

Re: the scenery complexity over certain built-up areas...
I find that my settings give me around 25-35 FPS over fairly sparse areas.
When flying low around San Francisco city, (full of buildings), my frame rates drop to around 10-15 FPS which is fine in straight and level flight.
It is only REALLY noticeable when banking hard over in flight that the scene stutters, 'cos the computer has a difficult time processing the X-Y co-ordinates under those conditions. (...Gave terrible problems with the Spectrum Computers*..... ....)...!

Cheers mate...
Paul.
(Hereford).

P.S. ..*long live Uncle Clive... ...!

Hi Paul (Fozzer),

Nice to see where you abide, better than talking to total strangers, makes it kind of homely. Did not get the relevence 'I like "quicker". Call me thick if you like, but our local saying is Bucks born, Bucks bred, Strong in the arm, Thick in the head. . I do not have the luxury of a re-writer, so will have to store in a folder. Being as this folder will be a fair size, would it be best to store it outside of fs2002?
Like the ref to Clive. My S/Spectram would have had a frame rate of about 10 FPD (frames per day)
See you,

Tony C ( High Wycombe)

Planespotter - where can we get that prog? It sounds very useful.

Fozzer - your specs match mine pretty close - I have a 900 Duron - but you have a way better vid card - I use the USA Mesh available on this site and it does great things on the country side - a lot more realistic - frame rates - not too bad - 14-29. When over a city though it drops to 12 or so - but I have the autogen for buildings set to the max. Download the one for Los Angeles - it will give you SoCal and give it a go - I think you will like it - greatly improves the coastline.

I liked it so much I downloaded the whole set.

I will post a couple in the "raw screenshots" for you tonight.

Good points Tipster, how-ever Fozzer did state that it merely gave him a smaller menu to select his plane from and I know what he's getting at.

I am clawing my way back from a major Hard-drive crash followed by inexplicable dramas in the weeks after the re-build.    I also have the luxury of a CD writer and so I have all my aircraft intact.   For reasons (bordering on stupidity) I have decided to say goodbye to my scenery and start again.    I haven't been happy with the way some of it was running for some time now and am going to take the opportunity of a fresh start.   At least I know what was hot and what was not.

Do I presume from Fozzer's remark that shifting the defaults out (most of which I never use) would mean no 747's etc in the traffic ?    Never thought about that before.?

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Good idea Fozzer. I would just like to make a couple of points. This is something I've been doing for a long time. Never thought to mention it before as it's common practice with CFS2 due to the limiit on number of aircraft installed at any one time.
"Planes I rarely fly seems" a tad long for a folder name to me. It's a matter of preference but I call my spare folder Hangar. In fact I have several named Hangar 1, Hangar 2, Hangar 3 etc. in all my M$ sims This enables me to sort the aircraft into various categories.

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This is fine providing it's done via the Scenery Library. Deactivate 3rd party scenery areas by unchecking the boxes beside them. This is quick & convenient. Please delete areas from the Scenery Library first before attempting to removing the actual scenery files. Not doing this properly will almost certainly cause those dreaded "Scenery File not found" error messages.

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Good suggestion Ozzy. I'm not sure everyone knows that burning files to a CD will convert them to Read-only. This is not a problem unless you want to edit them at a later stage. For example, CFG files or textures will need converting back manually from file Properties before any changes can be saved. Zipping the files or folders you wish to back up first will avoid this problem.

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I'm sure this is a good utility which might suit many people. I'm not keen on aircraft organisers or automatic aircraft installer utilities as I've found they can cause problems. I prefer to install & organise all my files manually.

Thanks for the clarification. Anything that makes life easier is OK by me.

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I'm not a Microsoft Systems Engineer, and frankly, if that's the quality of the advice you give out, I never want to be one.

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Right....so FS2002 does load all the aircraft when it initiates then does it? It collects more data than the UI info as well does it?

Kindly point me to the source of your information.

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Quote me the limit on the size of the aircraft folder and the scenery library.

The scenery.cfg file has a limit of 333 entries that it will address. That is not, by any means, the limit of the scenery library. There are ways to circumvent the scenery.cfg limit which are widely used without any form of system crash, system problem, or otherwise any resorded detrimental effect that I've ever seen anyone mention. However, as I said, the scenery.cfg file is not the scenery folder or the scenery library and has no connection with the size of the files contained with it.

Again, pleae quote the limit for the scenery library.

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The temp folder is not the same as an aircraft folder. The nature of the files it could contain are far more likely to pose a threat to system stability than an aircraft folder in FS2002. To compare the two is woefully misleading. It's rather like saying that failing to empty your your child's toy box poses the same risks as failing to empty the ammo clip of a gun.

The only way that failing to clear out an aircraft folder would cause a system breakdown is if the size of the files contained within it eventually caused the hard drive to fill up to the point where it had insufficient capacity to work properly. That's true of any folder. Your suggestion as quoted on the thread to which I replied, was to move the aircraft to a different folder. This makes no difference whatsoever to the number of files, their size, or the number of registry entries.

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Of course it matters. That's the whole point. Different applications use files and folders in different ways. The point being addressed here is how FS2002 addresses the aircraft folder.

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I'll wait for you to quote the limit of the aircraft folder so that I can exceed it and watch my system crash before commenting on that one any further...

I don't recall making any reference to the scenery library at all, and certainly not anything that would cause it to be incorrectly arranged. Completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

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I'm still waiting for the limit size of the aircraft and scenery folders.

You were the one who stated that I was misinforming people. All I'm asking you to do is substantiate your claims with facts.

As you correctly say, theusers will draw their own conclusions.

As a little, easy to perform test, why don't people remove all their add-on aircraft from their aircraft folder to another, time the FS2002 boot up, then put them back and time it again. Let's see the proof of the pudding.

You already admitted to the fact that there is a limit to the scenery folder and I wasn't talking about work arounds of which I'm sure I know more than you.

And the fact that there is a limit points to exactly what I was saying.

As to the aircraft folder i'll get that info for you when and if I have some time.

I have so many clients who want work done on their machines that it's hard for me to keep up with it all and that my friend speaks more louder than you.

But really the main point is that you used my name in a derogatory manner in your post and I don't want you making reference to me AT ALL.

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You didn't read my reply....again.

I stated quite clearly that the scenery.cfg file is what I was talking about NOT the size of the library.

I'll say it so that there can be no possible misunderstanding:

THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE SIZE OF THE AIRCRAFT OR SCENERY LIBRARY FOLDERS.

If you disagree - as you already have - QUOTE ME THE LIMITS!

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Based on what you've demonstrated you know about this subject so far, I seriously doubt it

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There isn't one, which is why what you're saying is completely bad advice.

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Can't wait.

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I'm sure the queue for you services is lengthening with every post you make in this thread..

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I did nothing of the kind. What I did was take issue with the advice that you apparantly gave. And I'm still taking issue with it.

Coming back to the point, I'm still waiting to hear about the aircraft and scenery library limits you referred to (not me) and how you justify suggesting that moving aircraft from the aircraft folder to a different folder is going to improve their performance.

No doubt those people who are currently trying the test I suggested earlier, will be leaping in at any moment with their astonishingly faster FS2002 boot times.

I doubt that any little tiff with you will adversly affect my clients.

And once again it has been my experience that overloading the aircraft file will affect the performance of the sim.

But since you cannot offer me any proof of how your sim looks or responds and since I've never seen any reference to your having helped anyone in the manner that I have I can only assume that I'm talking to some one who knows anything at all.

So.............post some shots of your sim and i will comment on them so that we will both be able to judge whether you know anything at all about flightsim or computers.

OK

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You are getting tedious with this. As  I said above, as you seem to think it's all important, I'll post any screenshot you like. If it turns out to be better quality than anything you've ever seen, it proves nothing about what I know about PCs or FS2002.

As to the rest of your ridiculous and insulting comments, I'm saying nothing. They say far more about you than they do about me.

I'm still waiting for the facts...*Yawn*

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You are either illterate, or simply don't take any notice of anything that doesn't suit your point of view.

I assume your comment refers to my reference to Selbiodln's post. If you'd bother to read it, you'd see that I deliberately made no comment on the issues raised in it because, as I stated, I thought it was only fair that you should have the opportunity to reply.

I did the exact opposite of what you just accused me of.

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The only time I've insulted you is in response to an insulting comment by yourself. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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Take a look in the mirror.

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Dreaming of yourself might be all you have in the end. Personally, I've better things to do.

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Hi Bazza... ...!
Re: The default planes.
Hagar gave me that tip a long time ago...NEVER remove the default planes, they are also required as AI aircraft in the program for ATC purposes.

Hi Hagar... ...!
My Folder name: "Planes I rarely fly", is me being silly again.... 8)....!
...it's actually called: "Z"....LOL...LOL...LOL..!
My troublesome scenery files, (LAGO's .se1 sets, and the Geo-Render object scenes*), which slowed my system down I successfully removed and my frame rates are back to normal again..Woo-Hoo.. ...!

Hi Ozo... ...!
..yep..I have installed the lovely scenery mesh for San Francisco AND Los Angeles... ....!
..fantastic set, covers the area from Santa Rosa down to San Diego.
Doesn't seem to affect the frame rates at all...Cool...!

Cheers all... ...!
Paul.
(England).

..*I design my own with LAGO's FSSE program, with a limit on the number of objects so that frame rates do not suffer... ...!

(Correction: I knew I spelt San Diego wrongly, thank goodness for my maps....).... 8)...!

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Hi Dave... ...!
Mine is more simple...
So that I know where it is I just created a Folder, gave it a silly name..!...and popped it into my Main Aircraft Folder, stuck all my, "...don't want these in my hangar at the moment", planes into the folder.
But...
It does mean that if I want to fly one of them I have to drag it out of the folder, with the help of an interested on-looker, generally in the pouring rain, and put it back into my Hangar....Whew... ...!
(The folder doesn't interfere with my Aircraft list 'cos it doesn't have the identity icon present....know what I mean...)...?
LOL...!

Cheers mate...
Paul.
(England).

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Yep, don't move AI aircraft around. In some instances I do move AI aircraft to the hangar. A good example is the Oshkosh AI Traffic that I did. Remember? I had around 30 different aircraft being used, and unless I'm in the Oshkosh area or want to fly those aircraft, I keep them in a seperate hangar

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Hi Fisharno. I also use the same method for file storage on CD. I'm not sure if these are affected in the same way but suspect they are. It would be easy enough to confirm this by recovering a file & checking the File Properties. I mentioned the problem as some people burn the folders direct to CD. This will make the files Read-only as I described. Also, utilities & programs that update files while in use will not work properly if retrieved from an unzipped folder on a CD.

Zipped files are not affected whether they be the original downloaded file or subsequently zipped.

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I should go back and make it even better.

You may not remember, but I even started a similar project, but I just didn't have the time.

If only days were twice as long....

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The Hangar idea is a way to temporarily hide installed aircraft away from the FS2002 selection menu. They will not work while in the Hangar but can be quickly replaced by dragging them back into the AIRCRAFT folder. This is only necessary if you have an excessive amount of addon aircraft installed & wish to tidy up the selection menu. As you're new at this I suggest forgetting it for now.

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This can be done by editing Aircraft.cfg in Notepad. Look under the [fltsim.x] headers for these entries. Open a default Aircraft.cfg for reference.

ui_manufacturer= is the Aircraft Manufacturer
ui_type=  is the Aircraft model
ui_variation=  is the Variation

Change them to whatever you wish. If these entries are missing the aircraft will be listed under Unspecified on the FS2002 selection menu. In this case carefully add them in the appropriate places.