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Reply #15 - May 1st, 2003 at 3:03am

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I usually don't post in this forum leaving it to experts like yourself but this time I really feel that you have not only missed the mark but you have also misinformed people and you could cause, inadvertently, many problems

You couldn't be more wrong about your observations regarding the aircraft folder and your not wrong from an Fs standpoint your WRONG from a system standpoint.

It doesn't matter which application we would be discussing. Any app needs to be kept as free as possilble to allow the system to use less resources. So to use an example outside of the sim we could take any operating system and not clean out the temp files and this could cause a system breakdown. In fact a little research into this simple fact might be very instructive for you.

Fs2k2 puts limits on the size of the aircraft folder and the scenery library for this very reason. In fact all applications have built-in system limits.

Overloaded aircraft or scenery folders and incorrectly arranged scenery library can have dramatic effect on the interoperation of your sim and operating system.

That is why developers have made programs for gauge removal and aircraft organization and their work is not just to have some thing to do.

Aircraft Organizer is an outstanding utility which will not get into your registry and gum it all up. Get it here: http://www.cfswarbirds.com/Utilities/utilities.html

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I'm not a Microsoft Systems Engineer, and frankly, if that's the quality of the advice you give out, I never want to be one.

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You couldn't be more wrong about your observations regarding the aircraft folder and your not wrong from an Fs standpoint your WRONG from a system standpoint.


Right....so FS2002 does load all the aircraft when it initiates then does it? It collects more data than the UI info as well does it?

Kindly point me to the source of your information.

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Fs2k2 puts limits on the size of the aircraft folder and the scenery library for this very reason.


Quote me the limit on the size of the aircraft folder and the scenery library.

The scenery.cfg file has a limit of 333 entries that it will address. That is not, by any means, the limit of the scenery library. There are ways to circumvent the scenery.cfg limit which are widely used without any form of system crash, system problem, or otherwise any resorded detrimental effect that I've ever seen anyone mention. However, as I said, the scenery.cfg file is not the scenery folder or the scenery library and has no connection with the size of the files contained with it.

Again, pleae quote the limit for the scenery library.

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So to use an example outside of the sim we could take any operating system and not clean out the temp files and this could cause a system breakdown.


The temp folder is not the same as an aircraft folder. The nature of the files it could contain are far more likely to pose a threat to system stability than an aircraft folder in FS2002. To compare the two is woefully misleading. It's rather like saying that failing to empty your your child's toy box poses the same risks as failing to empty the ammo clip of a gun.

The only way that failing to clear out an aircraft folder would cause a system breakdown is if the size of the files contained within it eventually caused the hard drive to fill up to the point where it had insufficient capacity to work properly. That's true of any folder. Your suggestion as quoted on the thread to which I replied, was to move the aircraft to a different folder. This makes no difference whatsoever to the number of files, their size, or the number of registry entries.

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It doesn't matter which application we would be discussing.


Of course it matters. That's the whole point. Different applications use files and folders in different ways. The point being addressed here is how FS2002 addresses the aircraft folder.

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Overloaded aircraft or scenery folders and incorrectly arranged scenery library can have dramatic effect on the interoperation of your sim and operating system.


I'll wait for you to quote the limit of the aircraft folder so that I can exceed it and watch my system crash before commenting on that one any further...

I don't recall making any reference to the scenery library at all, and certainly not anything that would cause it to be incorrectly arranged. Completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed.



 
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Reply #16 - May 1st, 2003 at 3:34am

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I have no intention of getting into any kind of mano e mano bull with you.

You show me yours and I'll show you mine is just not my style. I disagree with you completely does that surprise you and you're right my knowledge doesn't come from a tech site but from hrs of machine set-ups for clients all over the world.

If you want to see my work it's readily available for you and everybody else. I don't need to run to another misinformed Tech to get information. You can see the results of what I do and that is my proof.

Meanwhile DON'T use my name in your posts. Stick to what you believe is true and I'll do the same. Keep my name off your posts.

Users at this site know what I do and they not you will ultimately judge the results.
 
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Reply #17 - May 1st, 2003 at 3:47am

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I have no intention of getting into any kind of mano e mano bull with you.

You show me yours and I'll show you mine is just not my style. I disagree with you completely does that surprise you and you're right my knowledge doesn't come from a tech site but from hrs of machine set-ups for clients all over the world.

If you want to see my work it's readily available for you and everybody else. I don't need to run to another misinformed Tech to get information. You can see the results of what I do and that is my proof.

Meanwhile DON'T use my name in your posts. Stick to what you believe is true and I'll do the same. Keep my name off your posts.

Users at this site know what I do and they not you will ultimately judge the results.


I'm still waiting for the limit size of the aircraft and scenery folders.

You were the one who stated that I was misinforming people. All I'm asking you to do is substantiate your claims with facts.

As you correctly say, theusers will draw their own conclusions.

As a little, easy to perform test, why don't people remove all their add-on aircraft from their aircraft folder to another, time the FS2002 boot up, then put them back and time it again. Let's see the proof of the pudding.
 
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Reply #18 - May 1st, 2003 at 3:50am

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and...............you didn't address one thing that I said. I was talking about system resources not fs2k2.

Show me how storing planes in a folder outside of Fs uses more system resources.

Deal with what I was talking about and keep the personal insults to a minimum.

I'm also glad you're not a systems engineer. In fact very very very glad.

Why don't you post some shots over at the screen shot forum I'd love to see them.
 
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Reply #19 - May 1st, 2003 at 3:56am

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You already admitted to the fact that there is a limit to the scenery folder and I wasn't talking about work arounds of which I'm sure I know more than you.

And the fact that there is a limit points to exactly what I was saying.

As to the aircraft folder i'll get that info for you when and if I have some time.

I have so many clients who want work done on their machines that it's hard for me to keep up with it all and that my friend speaks more louder than you.

But really the main point is that you used my name in a derogatory manner in your post and I don't want you making reference to me AT ALL.

 
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Reply #20 - May 1st, 2003 at 3:58am

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and...............you didn't address one thing that I said. I was talking about system resources not fs2k2.

Show me how storing planes in a folder outside of Fs uses more system resources.

Deal with what I was talking about and keep the personal insults to a minimum.

I'm also glad you're not a systems engineer. In fact very very very glad.

Why don't you post some shots over at the screen shot forum I'd love to see them.



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Show me how storing planes in a folder outside of Fs uses more system resources.


You didn't either read or undestand my reply. I didn't say it took up more system resources, I said it didn't reduce them. You were the one, apparantly, claiming that moving the folder improved things.


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Deal with what I was talking about and keep the personal insults to a minimum


Given that you implied that I was talking complete rubbish, I think I was remarkably restrained. Grin

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I'm also glad you're not a systems engineer. In fact very very very glad.


And this is your version of "keeping the personal insults to a minumum is it? Roll Eyes

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Why don't you post some shots over at the screen shot forum I'd love to see them.


Of my aircraft folder presumably? Can't really see how that would help, but then again, I'm not a Microsoft systems engineer. Grin
 
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Reply #21 - May 1st, 2003 at 4:20am

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You already admitted to the fact that there is a limit to the scenery folder and I wasn't talking about work arounds of which I'm sure I know more than you.


You didn't read my reply....again.

I stated quite clearly that the scenery.cfg file is what I was talking about NOT the size of the library.

I'll say it so that there can be no possible misunderstanding:

THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE SIZE OF THE AIRCRAFT OR SCENERY LIBRARY FOLDERS.

If you disagree - as you already have - QUOTE ME THE LIMITS!

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and I wasn't talking about work arounds of which I'm sure I know more than you.


Based on what you've demonstrated you know about this subject so far, I seriously doubt it

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And the fact that there is a limit points to exactly what I was saying.


There isn't one, which is why what you're saying is completely bad advice.

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As to the aircraft folder i'll get that info for you when and if I have some time.


Can't wait. Grin

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I have so many clients who want work done on their machines that it's hard for me to keep up with it all and that my friend speaks more louder than you.


I'm sure the queue for you services is lengthening with every post you make in this thread..

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But really the main point is that you used my name in a derogatory manner in your post and I don't want you making reference to me AT ALL.



I did nothing of the kind. What I did was take issue with the advice that you apparantly gave. And I'm still taking issue with it.

Coming back to the point, I'm still waiting to hear about the aircraft and scenery library limits you referred to (not me) and how you justify suggesting that moving aircraft from the aircraft folder to a different folder is going to improve their performance.

No doubt those people who are currently trying the test I suggested earlier, will be leaping in at any moment with their astonishingly faster FS2002 boot times.





 
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Reply #22 - May 1st, 2003 at 4:24am

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What exactly is your problem.

Post screen shots of planes. I want to see your screen shots so that I can judge how much you really know.

Why did you use my name in your posts. What does "I know Ramsa is a sore spot with some " supposed to mean?

Why did you even say anything about what I do.

Are you so insecure about yourself that you need to do this or was it some kind of revenge that you're not happy that people want me to help them.

Or do you just need some help.



 
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Reply #23 - May 1st, 2003 at 4:42am

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I doubt that any little tiff with you will adversly affect my clients.

And once again it has been my experience that overloading the aircraft file will affect the performance of the sim.

But since you cannot offer me any proof of how your sim looks or responds and since I've never seen any reference to your having helped anyone in the manner that I have I can only assume that I'm talking to some one who knows anything at all.

So.............post some shots of your sim and i will comment on them so that we will both be able to judge whether you know anything at all about flightsim or computers.

OK
 
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Reply #24 - May 1st, 2003 at 4:43am

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What exactly is your problem.


Easily defined:

1) Your comment:

"but you have also misinformed people and you could cause, inadvertently, many problems"

Rubbish and you still haven't justified your comment.

2) You are apparantly charging people for your advice. Whilst some of it may be very good, the point in question certainly isn't.

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Post screen shots I want to see your screen shots so that I can judge how much you really know.


If you think that what I know can be demonstrated by a 100kb limit, jpg format screenshot, you know even less than I thought you did. However, if it makes you happy, I'll do it. What would you like a screenshot of exactly? This is of course, completely irrelevant to the question in hand, which you still haven't addressed.

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Why did you use my name in your posts. What does "I know Ramsa is a sore spot with some " supposed to mean?


I used your name in the post (not posts) because you were the one who gave the advice.

The "sore point" refers to Selbiodln's post in this thread:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=fs2002;action=display;num=...

Not everyone seems to be as vocal in your support as you suggest my friend. Wink

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Why did you even say anything about what I do.


See my answer to your question about using your name.

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Are you so insecure about yourself that you need to do this or was it some kind of revenge that you're not happy that people want me to help them.

Or do you just need some help.


If people want you to help them, best of luck! I'm very happy for you and them! I was simply addressing the fact that, in my opinion, the advice you gave in that particular instance was rubbish. If you'd care to actually answer the questions I've put that that relate to facts, rather than opinions, and I can watch my system crash/detriorate as a result of exceeding the folder limits you referred to, I'll happily post a huge apologetic retraction in big bold capital letters.

Until then, it's all opinion I suppose. The difference is I don't charge for my opinons - you do.



 
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Reply #25 - May 1st, 2003 at 4:47am

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I doubt that any little tiff with you will adversly affect my clients.

And once again it has been my experience that overloading the aircraft file will affect the performance of the sim.

But since you cannot offer me any proof of how your sim looks or responds and since I've never seen any reference to your having helped anyone in the manner that I have I can only assume that I'm talking to some one who knows anything at all.

So.............post some shots of your sim and i will comment on them so that we will both be able to judge whether you know anything at all about flightsim or computers.

OK


You are getting tedious with this. As  I said above, as you seem to think it's all important, I'll post any screenshot you like. If it turns out to be better quality than anything you've ever seen, it proves nothing about what I know about PCs or FS2002.

As to the rest of your ridiculous and insulting comments, I'm saying nothing. They say far more about you than they do about me.

I'm still waiting for the facts...*Yawn*


 
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Reply #26 - May 1st, 2003 at 6:14am

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How typical you take the opinion of one person believe it above all others draw conclusions and than insult someone you don't even know and have never had contact with.

I can only feel sorry for you that your ego is so threatened by someone who disagrees with you.

So if you're tired go to bed and dream of yourself because that's all we all have in the end my friend.

I'll look forward to your shots.

Bye forever
 
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How typical you take the opinion of one person believe it above all others draw conclusions and than insult someone you don't even know and have never had contact with.

I can only feel sorry for you that your ego is so threatened by someone who disagrees with you.

So if you're tired go to bed and dream of yourself because that's all we all have in the end my friend.

I'll look forward to your shots.

Bye forever


You are either illterate, or simply don't take any notice of anything that doesn't suit your point of view.

I assume your comment refers to my reference to Selbiodln's post. If you'd bother to read it, you'd see that I deliberately made no comment on the issues raised in it because, as I stated, I thought it was only fair that you should have the opportunity to reply.

I did the exact opposite of what you just accused me of.

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and than insult someone you don't even know and have never had contact with.


The only time I've insulted you is in response to an insulting comment by yourself. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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I can only feel sorry for you that your ego is so threatened by someone who disagrees with you.


Take a look in the mirror.

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So if you're tired go to bed and dream of yourself because that's all we all have in the end my friend.


Dreaming of yourself might be all you have in the end. Personally, I've better things to do.
 
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Reply #28 - May 1st, 2003 at 6:49am

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I had a thought.

You stated in one of your earlier replies that you think you know more work arounds for FS2002 than I do.

Let's bin the insults for a minute and test the water.

This is the most complicated question I could think of that requires PC knowhow (which should benefit you as a Microsoft Systems Engineer) as well as FS2002 knowhow:

How do you make FS2002 work in Windows 95? Contrary to belief, it can be done. I will post my solution immediately after yours.
 
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Reply #29 - May 1st, 2003 at 12:51pm

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Good points Tipster, how-ever Fozzer did state that it merely gave him a smaller menu to select his plane from and I know what he's getting at.....

....Do I presume from Fozzer's remark that shifting the defaults out (most of which I never use) would mean no 747's etc in the traffic ?    Never thought about that before.?


Hi Bazza... Grin...!
Re: The default planes.
Hagar gave me that tip a long time ago...NEVER remove the default planes, they are also required as AI aircraft in the program for ATC purposes.

Hi Hagar... Grin...!
My Folder name: "Planes I rarely fly", is me being silly again.... 8)....!
...it's actually called: "Z"....LOL...LOL...LOL..!
My troublesome scenery files, (LAGO's .se1 sets, and the Geo-Render object scenes*), which slowed my system down I successfully removed and my frame rates are back to normal again..Woo-Hoo.. Grin...!

Hi Ozo... Grin...!
..yep..I have installed the lovely scenery mesh for San Francisco AND Los Angeles... Grin....!
..fantastic set, covers the area from Santa Rosa down to San Diego.
Doesn't seem to affect the frame rates at all...Cool...!

Cheers all... Grin...!
Paul.
(England).

..*I design my own with LAGO's FSSE program, with a limit on the number of objects so that frame rates do not suffer... Wink...!

(Correction: I knew I spelt San Diego wrongly, thank goodness for my maps....).... 8)...!
 
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