Microsoft focuses on Europe and North America and besides a few exceptions, ignores the rest of the world.  I do not expect fs2004 to be any better in that regard.  Flightsim.com has some downloads for India, such as landclass scenery and the like.  For what we pay, every major city in the world should have some basic scenery such as buildings, bridges, and other landmarks.

There's plenty of aircraft and scenery to download to make FS2002 quite exciting

??? ??? Ozzy72....What is this fixation you have with Stonehenge. I have noticed its appearance before.
I have flown over it, driven past it, but I cannot seem to push myself into the passion you have with the place.LOL
Regards,
Tony C (from near Stonehenge, UK)

You are not the only one to complain.  
M$ although did a great job getting up this wonderful Simulator and really spicing up the "new" world, they did not bother to do any thing except placing a bare minimum airport on the empty terrain elsewhere.
Moreover most auto generated buildings do not match the place and the surroundings at all !

As you mentioned india, Taj Mahal is there. M$ even put it up on thier default Landmark Airlines B777, (On the tail) In the sim, go to Agra Intl airport and fly, a bit  north and then follow the river (Jamuna) eastwards, look around and you will see it nearby. This one's on bare minimum scenery as well.

By the way, as to mention i am soon releasing my scenery for Kathmandu valley (Nepal); It will include a detailed version of the Tribhuvan Intl airport (which i have already finished) and major buildings and structures which look significant when seen from air (all custom built in Gmax). I cant say exactly when it will be available, but as soon as i finish my Ilyshin Il76MT aircraft, I shall continue on the previous Kathmandu Project.

Anish

Let's be happy with what we've got compared to what we had 9 years ago!

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Now just exactly is wrong with Roosterville?  

Believe it or not I used to live there in the late 50's. At that time it was a General Store on the front of a guy's house with a gas pump out front. We lived in the house across the road and there was one other house. It was at the intersection of a blacktop highway and a gravel road.

Nowadays it is a suburb of Kansas City sort of - houses on a few acre plots actually. Mostly the outer edge of the suburbs.

In the 70s and 80s Roosterville was the home of the National Chicken Fly Offs. People would come from all over the US and some Countries to fly their chickens.

Now if that isn't a claim to fame, I don't know what is.  

Hey Oso,

Similar insanity happens in Bognor Regis in England, where prior to New Year's Day, people invent ludicrous methods of attempting to fly, and launch themselves off Bognor pier over the sea on said festival, to see how far they can get assisted by their flying gear: only to inevitably plummet into the merciless cold of the English Channel.

Good for a laugh - but not if you're the one doing the plummetting.

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Sorry Phil, I'm terrible at remembering where I get files from.

I'd recommend trying a search here first for the file names (I get a lot of stuff from here), but if you don't find them, scout the other major libraries.

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I agree with you !
Myself having started with v5.0 and going all through 95-98-2000 and finally 2002 there is a hell of a difference between them as such.

Anish

The people complaining are obviously too young to remember the TRS 80 based Microsoft Flight Simulator. I don't know if it technically was a precursor to this one but that's it's name. That sim had no terrain. Everything was green lines on a black screen and if you flew out of sight of the airport or it went off screen (just a green line rectangle) it would reset it'self to a random heading making flying a traffic pattern completely impossible.

I imagine Rajeev is from a different contry and region than I am and some of the international scenery is sort of disappointing but I was amazed the first time I tried a cross country flight to my home aiport. They had the major permanent landmarks perfect. I recognized the lake where I often go fishing, the national forest, the interstate highway with a state highway running beside it and the last 100 miles or so I was navigating purely by landmarks.

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It's probably not the case with these files, but if FSpayfreeware are up to their usual trick of charging for their files, look elsewhere. I definitely didn;t get them from there - I won't visit the place.

i think i've got those autogen buildung-upgrades from www.avsim.com

Anish,

Thanks for the response on putting the picture into the post. I tried your suggestion, but the dialogue box wouldn't accept a reference to my hard drive & gave me an error message  - do you have to use a reference to a website?

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Heh.  You youngsters have it easy.  When I was your age, we flew sublogic flight simulator on our Apple IIs.  Now, that was flying!

Actually, I don't understand the presumptuousness of someone who complains that their tiny corner of the world isn't rendered in exquisite detail.  For your information, I'm live in a rural part of the US and my hometown isn't realistic either.  If you want to enjoy fs2k2, I suggest you pick a spot where there is scenery.  That's what I had to do. 

Had Microsoft spent more time on the landscape for my hometown, the sim would have taken a lot longer to finish and cost a lot more.  And very few people would ever have seen the hard work that went into most of it, because the majority will fly in more populated areas.

I think it's also important to remember that creating an exact virtual reality copy of planet Earth is a near impossible task. It would take years to do and by the time it was released to the public, the game would be very expensive or even obsolete.
Microsoft had to cut many corners when creating FS2002 because they had to keep cost, time, and buyer system power in mind. An exact replica of earth would be nice but not at 1fps!   

Very welcome.

I actually misunderstood and thought you were trying to post an image in a thread rather than under your nick permanently. You obviously worked it out though.

Now if I could just find a pic of Lady Penelope...

I agree that it is a marvelous piece of software that will only get better with time.  The first computer I owned had a hard drive of 500 mb, and I thought that was great!!!  It would have been much worse had M$ not designed the program for add ons.  You would have been stuck with the same old things all of the time.  At least now you can add on what ever you want, either planes, airports and scenery.  It is now even possible for non programmers to take a shot at developing some of their own pet projects and local scenery.  I am sure that 5 years from now we will be saying how we had to play with FS02 way back then!!!

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All I got was a tiny plastic plane and they only let me look into the cockpit from the passenger area a few seconds while we were on the ground. Of course that might have been a good idea because as a kid I never could resist the impulse to push every button and pull every lever I could get my hands on. 

Recently a friend was on a flight where the captain announced that this was that airline's first all female flight crew. She pointed out that for the rest of the flight the area at the front of the plane was to be referred to as the "Flight Deck" and not the "Cockpit".

Woman pilots

yeah, women pilots, i can't....

oh wait a second, there are actually women out there that have had the drive, intellegence and patience to succeed in a male dominated profession while we all sit on our butts at home pretending to fly and posting notes in a forum about pretending to fly. 

just a little perspective.

The simulator itself is very good.  But it does get on my nerves when I see tiny hamlets where there should be sprawling cities.  Or seeing tropical vegetation where there should be pine forests.  There are no friggen palm trees in the Andes.  And the people there do not build airfields in canyons.  If they just fixed those problens, I would not have much of a problem.  BTW, the Santiago scenery for fs2000 is wonderful.  It works in fs2002, although it erases the autogen scenery.  But just about every downtown building is recreated in amazing detail.

Yes the terrain in Fs is indeed marvelous, and to a high extent realistic, the only drawback is the accuracy of the positioning of the local elements, which make it a little less than an allrounder. And if one's complaining about a lack of some particular landmark, or an area, then why doesnt he just sit down and dessign for himself,; that way the already hard done work of M$ is aapreciated, the designer is fulfilled and others will probably be benifitted as well  

And 1 natural human instinct:
The more he gets, the more he wants

Well Fs2002 vs Fs4 is no match at all so i think we better be happy with what we have !


GOOD OLD Fs5 ! is still flown by someone, somebody out there.

Ahh, the good ol' days! 8)

I remember FS5 very well. I thought it was THE coolest thing, And I logged several hundred hours in it. I even did 2 or 3 RTW flights!

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You must have viewed it just after i posted it, I spelled the filename wrong, but your timming !!  Wow !
Cant say if the error was there even for a minute !

It's like when your Grandma gives you the CD of "Bass Fishing" to play on your computer for your Christmas present...... ...!
You think to yourself, "I'm not going to like this", but after you have played it a few times, and caught a few fish, it gets to grow on you... ...!

....or not...?

LOL...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England).

Well,thats quite a way to begin a marrige,but at least you started her training correcty right out of the box,you lucky devil! LOL!!!

What a trip down memory lane this has become! The only previous version I owned was FS98, which I used to think was awesome. I gave it a spin the other day and was appalled! I haven't been keeping track of the COF postings, but if that software is to FS2K2 what FS2K2 was to FS98, things might get mighty exciting.

Ah, memories, memories. My first FS was the one that was current around the mid-80s, probably version 2 or 3? It fit easily on a floppy disk! Based at Meigs, you could go to O'Hare or (wow) Champaign too.

One of my friends is a female pilot of a privately owned Falcon 50 (lucky mare!!!).

She's not only a terrific pilot, she's also something of an FS2002 guru and a real whizz with XML gauge design. She designed the OAT gauge most of you have if you have my Baron Panel. I've since changed that, but that's  different story.

Oh and she's also doing a gmax model of the falcon she flies. Her talents are endless!

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Wish I could.

Sadly, she's a moderator in one of the smaller flightsim forums and her real life commitments make it difficult for her to participate much there, never mind anywhere else.

My first flight simulator was on the Commodore 16.  You had to take off, fly over a mountain range and then land at the airport.  There were no instructions, you just had to see what went wrong during each flight and correct it next time.

It took me about thirty attempts to get the damned thing off the ground.

The next was Overlord for the amiga, still a great game.  I have FS95 somewhere and have recently been given FS5 on CD-ROM!!!

Will

It seems to me that after reading all these posts that the underlying passion is for flight(obvious innit)and perhaps Rajeev doesn't share quite the same view.

What's MS train sim like? Maybe he should have bought that instead?

It seems to me that after reading all these posts that the underlying passion is for flight(obvious innit)and perhaps Rajeev doesn't share quite the same view.

What's MS train sim like? Maybe he should have bought that instead?

I don't believe that was the point being made. The point was all the people claiming greatness in this sim, and it wasn't as great as this person thought. I can't say I blame them. Yes, it's great, cool graphics, etc., but riddled with bugs. Nice work MS. Next time test your work!

And if one thinks about the price and then add how many were sold, it was too damn expensive. Do you really think MS pays their programmers that well? LOL

Hey Pissmeoff, you wouldn't happen to be an ex-MS programmer, would you?!

You say you like the graphics in 2k2, but that it's "riddled" with bugs......what bugs are those? I've had absolutely no problems running this game on my relatively slow system. I'd refrain from calling it perfect; I'm sure some people do experience problems. As far as the cost issue; looks like most people here think this sim is a good deal.

You are of course, entitled to express your opinion, however, it's clear that your and Rajeev's overall dissatisfaction with 2k2 puts you in the minority.

Hey Pissmeoff, you wouldn't happen to be an ex-MS programmer, would you?!

LOL, no can't say I am. I do program though. Don't get me wrong-there isn't a night that goes by that I don't play this sim. It's one of those games that I made a really good investment on, unlike others where once I'm finished it, I uninstall and put it away for a few months.

As for the bugs. I like to keep separate log files. In fs2000 I never had this problem, but with fs2k2, I do. That isn't right in itself. One should be moving forward with a new program, not backward. On to the log files. I like to have a logbook for the 747, 737, Learjet, helicopter and cessnas. Let's say I quit out of the sim and my logbook is the 737 logbook. I go into the sim, create a flight for the 747, select options/logbook and select the 747 logbook. Guess what? When I finish and I log my time, which is set up to do so when I exit the sim, the time is in the 737 logbook, not the 747. I consider this a bug. Again, fs2000 never did this. So, if I want to do a flight in the 747 I have to select the 747 logbook, quit out of the sim, and then start it back up and do my flight. There are some other bugs that one must look, but they are there. For instance, Meigs field. Start a flight at meigs, but just look around a little. If you look closely at the water, it goes uphill! I consider that a bug-programming error, what have you. There's plenty more areas that are like this. I forget exactly where they are, but they are there. I'm being picky, I know. So, I'm not really in the minority, I'm being more of a realist. MS needs some competition so that they will pick up their socks and stop putting out things that have problems/bugs. It's a damn shame because this sim is a great piece of work, and MS isn't the only company out there that's all about the dollar bill. I'm a perfectionist, which is part of my problem. When I do a job, I do not say, oh that will do. I spend plenty of sleepless nights working on programs until I get the damn thing right. I get more satisfaction knowing that someone paid me to get the program that they paid me for-one that works!

All I can say is that I'm satisfied. It's not perfect but it "works for me".

It works for me too. Although seeing tress off the ground and some buildings in some really weird places is a little distracting. Now, I must go fly!

So then,I gather noone has used MS train sim. I know I haven't-I've been flying!

OK,so FS isn't perfect but I've got about 1200hrs time up and at $50 for the program I ain't complaining about the few bugs I  do come across!!

Thanks Ivan. I really did think that the graphics may have been better.
Heading south from CYLT at the moment but may head to Montreal to take the through train to Vancouver!

Only Jokin' Rather fly!!

I'm a sucker for trains as well and I keep watching the bargain bins for MSTS(you wish!).
I'll most probably get it but only if I can sit at the controls.

Yeah! Wouldn't that be great!
Just imagine 'MSVISUALWORLDTOURS out now at your local agent'
Hell , they're most probably doing it now!!!