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Apr 23rd, 2003 at 9:41am

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Yesterday, a friend who is a Flight instructor, took me up in a Cessna 172. After a few minutes into the flight, I wasn't feeling well. I made by best attempt to have fun, and I did, but after half an hour, we returned to the airport because I just couldn't stomach it Sad

It has left me a little depressed now. I've spent my whole life dreaming and being obsessed with aviation. I've spent well over a thousand hours using the flight simulators, but when it comes to the real thing, I just can't handle it. Cry Cry

Am I the only one like this?
 
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Reply #1 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 10:01am

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can i ask exactly what the problem was?? bad weather making you feel sick or just bumpy or what??
i am sure if you can go up there again a few more times it'll get better. if its  been a life dream dont give up on it for one bad experiance.
or was the weather rather hot and humid in there?
well i wish you the best and hope you can find a way round this problem
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 10:05am

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Yesterday, a friend who is a Flight instructor, took me up in a Cessna 172. After a few minutes into the flight, I wasn't feeling well. I made by best attempt to have fun, and I did, but after half an hour, we returned to the airport because I just couldn't stomach it Sad

It has left me a little depressed now. I've spent my whole life dreaming and being obsessed with aviation. I've spent well over a thousand hours using the flight simulators, but when it comes to the real thing, I just can't handle it. Cry Cry

Am I the only one like this?


Hey buddy, you aren't the only one. You are by no means a failure. Some of the best pilots couldn't take it during the first flights they made. You are not a failure. I have had many many students just like you, and they were not failures. Failure is too powerful of a word, because you are definatly not a failure Andy.

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Reply #3 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 11:05am

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I've had some flight experience in a Cessna Aerobat; I remember I felt sick for the first few flights (never actually hurled, but I had to make a real effort to hold it back!). After I was signed off to fly on my own, I liked to take up friends and scare the hell out of them doing rolls, loops, and spins. That is, until one of them puked all over the right-side door. The smell was terrible; had to cut short the flight and return to the airport (and clean up the mess!). I always carried a plastic baggie along after that.

Air/motion sickness is not uncommon (I'll bet all or most pilots have experienced queasiness at some time). With experience you'll get over it. Smiley
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 11:15am

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i have first time the instructor made the thing stall and also first tight turn
and your def not a failure andrew
 
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Reply #5 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 12:02pm

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Being an accomplished sim-pilot actually makes it more likely that this will happen on a first flight...your eyes and inner ear aren't agreeing on what seems familiar. Smiley

As you gain flight time they adjust and you should feel fine.

I once watched an "Ego-driver" (F-15 Pilot) turn green in the back of a 414 Sqdn Falcon. Same problem you probably experienced...mismatch between visual cues and inner ear sensations.
 

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Reply #6 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 1:39pm

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Andrew, don't worry. Like Brad said, a lot of people feel this way initially, remember you are suddenly moving in 3 dimensions (unlike all other transport that is limited too 2), and some peoples inner ears are more sensitive than others. Mine are like bricks, I can eat a cooked breakfast on a ship in a gale! Probably explains why I can't skateboard or surf! Lack of necessary sensitivity, pity 'cos I always wanted to surf.
Give it another go, and then another. Just push yourself a little, and before you know it you'll be doing it without thinking, and really loving it! If you want it bad enough you'll overcome anything, and I know you'll succeed.

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Reply #7 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 2:08pm

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i'm glad i'm not the only one, but it's still depressing
 
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Reply #8 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 2:57pm

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I'm sure it was just nerves, was it the first time you've flown before?
TBH the second time i flew in a chopper, i felt sick. Embarrassed RAF Griffon, training exercise, we were practicing some landing in remote areas on a hot day, so turbulance was more than slight. As soon as we touched down the second time I unbuckled my seat-belt and ran out thinking i was about to throw up. I didn't thankfully.
Ask to go up again mate, take some pills before you fly and see how it goes. You'll be more gutted missing out on real aviation than going up and feeling sick again. Smiley
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 3:08pm

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I talked to my friend earlier and we're gonna go up again soon. Next time we'll go up in the morning where there is less turbulence, and we'll take it easy
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 7:52pm

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I talked to my friend earlier and we're gonna go up again soon. Next time we'll go up in the morning where there is less turbulence, and
we'll take it easy


OMG what the hell were you doing? Acrobatics?
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 7:55pm

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I get sick easily sometimes. But the only way your gonna get over it is to do more of it, and climb the ladder. I used to get sick on planes, I don't anymore.
 

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Reply #12 - Apr 24th, 2003 at 12:07am

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OMG what the hell were you doing? Acrobatics?


We were doing things like steep turns, making abrubt attutude changes, circling low over neighborhoods, ect. Those sort of things made me very queasy
 
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Reply #13 - Apr 24th, 2003 at 5:49am

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Andrew this behaviour is not going to help. Try some NORMAL flying first to get the feel.
My second time in a Chipmunk (about an hour after my first) we were doing aerobatics, and I'd scoffed a load of Mars Bars and Coke for breakfast, I hadn't eaten before hand as I'd heard stories. But after that I figured what the heck, and then another slot came up so all the first timers were sent up again.... I didn't hurl, but I was white as a sheet and covered in cold sweat for about 3 hours after the 30 mins flight.....

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Reply #14 - Apr 24th, 2003 at 1:23pm

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Andrew this behaviour is not going to help. Try some NORMAL flying first to get the feel.


Yep, we're planning to do some normal flying Wink
 
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Reply #15 - Apr 24th, 2003 at 3:30pm

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Andrew don't worry, the first time I pulled back on my stick, and watched as the huge wings left the ground, I was nervous also. When I got to 35,000 ft I was blue in the face. then when I looked at my airspeed of 450 knots, I got dizzy!!  When I looked back and saw 280 people looking at me I realized the tremendous pressure on me....so many lives resting in the plams of my hands!
Then the turbulance!!! BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE... I pulled my belt tighter to hold me in my seat...feeling sick to my stomach.
Finally as I extended the flaps and tried to contact the tower, there was nobody there!! I let down the gear with sweat dripping off my forehead. The weight of this huge jet pulling at my arms!
Suddenly just as I was about to touch down........A crosswind that nearly slammed my left wing into the runway!!
Steady....steady...... finally as the nose flared, I heard the tires skreetch on the ground to the sensation of driving an 18 wheeler on gravel....Reverse thrusts!!!!
Wher's the doggie bag??
Finally I get the 777 to a stop and jump out of my seat, green in the face, wet in the pants, and dry in the mouth only to hear my wife yelling, "did you take out the garbage yet" !

We are talking about flight simulation............aren't we?   LOL    LOL     LOL

You'll do fine next time Andrew...now you know what to expect and can prepare yourself..
Keep us informed

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Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 12:09am

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don't worry, keep trying, i have known lots of people who didn't feel so well there first flights, i don't remember how i felt, but it is pretty normal to have "butterflies in your stomach".
 

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Reply #17 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 12:02pm

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i had (and sometimes still have) that problem. especially in gliders where you feel every little bump of hot air... Cheesy

in the beginning i was always sick but it goes better and better. your body gets used to the 3D movements after a while.

one tip: don't look too much on your instrument panel. try to look outside as much as possible!

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Reply #18 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 1:13pm

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My friend things that since I hadn't eaten that day when we went up contributed to my being sick. Do all of you find that eating the day that you go up helps your stomach?
 
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Reply #19 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 1:28pm

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could possibly have been that. when are ya going up again?
the times i have been up where either 9am and the other two were just after lunch so i cant really say i have been up on an empty stomach
good luck for next time up there
 
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Reply #20 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 2:22pm

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We're gonna try Monday or Tuesday morning
 
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Reply #21 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 2:30pm

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cool hope it goes better for ya this time
 
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Reply #22 - Apr 27th, 2003 at 9:43pm
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Andrew

Not to step on toes, but with 45 years of real
flying in my book, I would say that a pilot who
takes a"first timer" up and does that type of flying
used bad judgement, and does the sport of
flying no good

Just my way of thinking

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Reply #23 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 3:11am

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My first flight was a lot like yours. At first, I even hated flying. Look at me now. Its my profession. All it takes is time. Flying is a lot of fun. A lot of people say first impression is just about everything. They aren't always right, sometimes the last impression is everything.

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Reply #24 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 3:20am

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Andrew

Not to step on toes, but with 45 years of real
flying in my book, I would say that a pilot who
takes a"first timer" up and does that type of flying
used bad judgement, and does the sport of
flying no good


First off, this wasn't my first time up. I've been up in small cessnas several times in my life, it's just been a few years. Second, I wasn't expecting to get airsick and wasn't even planning on it. And third, my friend happens to be a Professional CFII who works at a school affiliated with Delta Airlines.

And what I meant by 'abrupt attitude' changes is that he let me fly the aircraft and when we turned, I would bank the aircraft the opposite way first to make sure everything was clear, then we would turn, so a lot of it wasme making myself sick.
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Reply #25 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 12:08pm

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Yeppirrrr, gotta do them clearing turns when you're VFR.

Glad to see those are still being taught to students!Smiley
 
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Reply #26 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 6:55pm
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Andrew

Like I said "not to step on toes"
I did not have all the facts
and I have known several good pilots
who took people up "first Time"
and scared them so they never flew agin.
That is bad for flying

Like Brad said "it takes time"

BHOFMX

 
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Reply #27 - Apr 28th, 2003 at 11:28pm

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Like I said "not to step on toes"
I did not have all the facts
and I have known several good pilots
who took people up "first Time"
and scared them so they never flew agin.
That is bad for flying


You didn't step on my toes. Like you said, you didn't have all the facts, now it's all cleared up Wink

And i'm still obsessed with aviation Grin
 
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Reply #28 - Apr 29th, 2003 at 1:50pm

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We went back up today and spent about an hour in the air. I got to do almost all of the flying, except on landing he kinda walked me through it. There's a lot that that needs worked on, but the flight simulator has actually helped quite a bit.

And I didn't get sick Grin
 
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Reply #29 - Apr 29th, 2003 at 2:19pm

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glad to hear it went well man:)
 
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Reply #30 - May 4th, 2003 at 1:34pm

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Glad  to hear it went well, I don't know about anyone else but I find the breifings scarier than the flights/jumps themselves. Before my first glider flight and my first jump I was somewhere between these two little guys  Undecided   Shocked
 

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Reply #31 - May 14th, 2003 at 6:45pm

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How about this little bit of positive re-inforcement.....its not BS, and a well known fact about one of the best......who else has been known to break the sound barrier twice, fifty years apart ?
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Reply #32 - May 15th, 2003 at 1:02am

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I'm glad i'm not the only one, even the best went through with what i'm going through
 
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Reply #33 - May 15th, 2003 at 1:09am

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One more bit of advice to use, till you strengthen your stomach......down a Gravol if you can, half hour before liftoff and it will do wonders for you.......
 

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Reply #34 - May 15th, 2003 at 2:14am

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What is a Gravol???
 
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Reply #35 - May 15th, 2003 at 1:24pm

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Gravol is an anti-nausea pill that we can get here in Canada at any pharmacy, you should be able to find it where you live too ?............works well too  8) check it out here...........
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