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Apr 13th, 2003 at 5:57pm

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I'm conducting a little informal poll here to see what are the favorite "Flying" movies of the membership. It can be either a film whose central plot revolves around flying or one with a Memorable flying sequence.

Personally pne of my top faves has to be "Those Magnifecent Men in their flying machines." with all those great pioneering aircraft and a dialouge sequence that sums up the feeling of myself and others. In it Robert Morely as Lord Rawston is talking to his future son in law Richard:

Richard: " The problem is finding the time for married life Sir.."
Rawlston: "What do you mean?"
Richard "Well, I'm soldiering all day and I'm pretty busy in the evenings too. Monday I dine in, Tuesdays card night at Whites, Wedsday I play snooker with the Adjudent, Thursday, err, well we like to end up at Romano's, that only leaves Friday."
Rawston: "Yes, but what about the wekend?"
Richard: "That's flying Sir, It's the only time I've got..."
 

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Reply #1 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 8:15pm
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I'm quite fond of Memphis Belle
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 8:59pm

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In the eyes of a clown like myself, " Those Magnificent Men " is a fine movie to pass a couple of hours, but in the interest of fine flying sequences, Bruno Stachel does an admirable job of early " wind in the wires" piloting in The Blue Max .................
 

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Reply #3 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 10:03pm

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Reply #5 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 10:05pm

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  "October Sky"
 
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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 10:35pm

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The original Airport. I believe it was just called "Airport".

George Kennedy and his love for the old 707 was great.

And I seem to remember it was "technically accurate" with some great outdoor scenes.
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 10:44pm

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'Airplane' was pretty good. Boy, did it make fun of the aviation business.. Grin
 
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Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 10:54pm

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Reply #9 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 10:57pm

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Reply #10 - Apr 13th, 2003 at 11:36pm

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LOL me to, The Flight of the Intruder
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 12:36am

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Huumm... aviation movie...

I must "vote" for my all time favourite then...

TOP GUN !!!!!

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Reply #12 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 1:19am

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Cool, i'm not the only one who likes that movie.

Behind Enemy Lines was good.
Top Gun is also good Grin
 
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Reply #13 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 1:22am

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How about 'Airforce One' ??? Grin
 
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Reply #14 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 1:23am

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'Airplane' was pretty good. Boy, did it make fun of the aviation business.. Grin


That's a serious understatement Grin
 
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Reply #15 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 2:30am

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How about "Black Hawk Down" ????

There aren't many aviation shoots, but, still useful
 

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Reply #16 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 2:44am

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Hmm, well Hotshots and Airplane were funny, but for a great character role you can't beat John Belushi in 1941 as the demented P40 pilot!! And some great airborne footage done in it Grin

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Reply #17 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 2:46am

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Forgot about that one. Black Hawk Down is also good. Helos played a major role in that battle.

Apollo 13 is also a good Aviation movie Wink
 
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Reply #18 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 3:56am

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Top Aviation movies in no real order:
The Battle of Britain.
The Dambusters.
633 Squadron.
Memphis Belle.
 

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Hot Shots and Airplane are my best ones. I really like comedies. 8)
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Reply #20 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 6:59am
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the "airport" series.
"flight of the intruder".
"pearl harbor" (impressive flight sequences!)
"memphis belle"
"airplane"
"hot shots"
"the battle of britain"
"top gun" (nr.1 aviation movie)
and all those other cheap movies like "into the sun" or "blue tornado" or the "iron eagle" series.
 
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Top Gun,
Pearl Harbor
The Black Sheep Squadron(not really a movie?)
The Dam Busters
Black Hawk Down
Behind Enemy Lines.

thats all i can think of now...
 
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Top Gun,
Flight of the Itruder,
Briges of ToKo-Ri,
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Air Force One,
Hot Shots Grin,
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Battle of Britain,
Tuskeegee Airmen (sp?)
 

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Historical would have to be Memphis Belle and Apollo 13.
For laughs, it would be the 70's classic, Airplane! (Not Airplane 2, that was horrible).
October sky was great!
There was also a movie based on a true story about three brothers that filmed an outdoor documentary. One of them went on to become a well known "Outdoor Documentary Guy", I think his name is Marty........... something. Anyway, in the movie, the youngest brother flies this prop plane  for the 1st time out of his familiy's barn to fly over the hospital his father is in.  The whole time he is talking out loud, all the things his father told him on "how to fly" this thing. The "scene" is really interesting.
Does anybody know which movie I am referring too?
Also, for Aviation "romance", we seem to have forgotten the movie "Always" with Richard Dryfus, Holly Hunter and  John Goodman  . There are some great scenes of these planes putting out forest fires mixed in with a little love story and "after-life" perpectives. I thought it was great. If you have not seen it, I would recomend it!
For all out action, it would have to be the classic TOP GUN! I think for many of us, this was the 1st movie we all got to see what our military was really flying, and I think we were impressed!
And for ALL OUT 24-7 aviation........The Discovery Channel WINGS!
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-The Right Stuff (shows a blackbird for a few seconds)
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Apollo 13 is also a good Aviation movie Wink

Never saw that one..........I was disappointed at the inaccuracy of the main catch phrase of the intire movie.... if you look back you will see that nobody said "Houston we have a problem"............the actual words spoken were......"Houston, we've had a problem " and little things like that make me wonder how it could be missed.........after all this was supposed to portray a situation which captured the attention of the entire world
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topgun which is also my all time fav movie
 
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Reply #28 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 12:43pm

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For all over accuracy I would go with the dambusters. No other film is as accuratly portrayed than that.

Then the Battle of Britain... Then there all pretty rubbish...

Apart from the original Memphis Belle... That used footage of actual combat in the war so all the planes are as they should be... Grin
 

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'We Were Soldiers' has a few cool flying scenes
 
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Reply #31 - Apr 14th, 2003 at 8:22pm

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There are a lot of good movies that relate to aviation
"SAC" with Jimmie Stewart. The real star was the B-36 and the        B-47 and any home movies that I did at air shows

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"pearl harbor" (impressive flight sequences!)

That's about all that's impressive in that movie! Angry So much was sacrificed to make it dramatic! Angry
 

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That's about all that's impressive in that movie! Angry So much was sacrificed to make it dramatic! Angry


I'm lead to believe that alot of the "flight sequences" in Pearl Harbour are computer generated. Is this pretty much true?

Anyway, for flying films or concerniing flight in some way.............I think my all-time favourite would be between The Dambusters or The BoB.

Other notables for me are:

Twelve O'clock High, The Hellcats, Battle of Midway (heaps of footage - incorrect.........lol  -  F6F's at Midway?), Aces High, Reach for the Sky, Enola Gay (not sure that was the title), Tuskegee Airmen and my only non-war related........Airforce One (love Harrison Ford - good movie too).        Grin Grin Grin Grin Wink

I like an obscure film called "The Flight of the Pheonix" with Jimmy Stewart. A bunch of blokes crash land a twin engine transport in the desert and go about making a smaller single engine plane from the wreckage. Interesting film. Apparently, according to the movie presenter, some research was done to determine if what was portrayed could have been done. They say it was possible. Good movie if you ever come across it.  Grin Wink

Oh! nearly forgot. It's not really a flying movie. Just the opening sequence of a British Pilot (David Niven) in a shot-up bomber, about to die, talking to a WRAF lady on the radio. It's called "A Matter of Life and Death".
Does anyone know it. Maybe the older blokes, it was made in the early '50's.

 

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I'm lead to believe that alot of the "flight sequences" in Pearl Harbour are computer generated. Is this pretty much true?


Yes, this is true. You can see in some scenes where an aircraft passes through smoke and the propeller creates a little 'whirlwind' effect, but with other aircraft it doesn't happen.

I was very disappointed with Pearl Harbour. Some of the visuals were kinda cool, but the story line was crap.

I recently read that those two pilots who really did manage to get off the ground and shoot down a few japs, actually survived the war. In the movie one of them is portrayed to have been shot on Doolittles raid Roll Eyes

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I like an obscure film called "The Flight of the Pheonix" with Jimmy Stewart. A bunch of blokes crash land a twin engine transport in the desert and go about making a smaller single engine plane from the wreckage. Interesting film. Apparently, according to the movie presenter, some research was done to determine if what was portrayed could have been done. They say it was possible. Good movie if you ever come across it.  Grin Wink


Never heard of that film. I'll have to look for that one too

Also, who stars in the movie 'Battle of Britain'? I know it's an older British film, but I havn't been able to find a copy. I'll try looking in the newest movie rental place in town
 
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There is a sad note on " The Flight of The Phoenix"....there were apparently deaths occured in the making of that movie, and as far as I remember about it, it was in a flying sequence............will search it back now

What I just found in a movie review.......
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Remember the movie, 'Flight Of The Phoenix'? One of the survivors in the desert crash of a cargo aircraft, Dorfman, convinces the others to convert the wreckage into a smaller plane and escape, as no rescue seems eminent. The new aircraft nearly completed, Dorfman comments to the Pilot, Captain Townsend, that he is a professional model aircraft designer; not a designer of the 'real thing' all had assumed him to be. The flight is almost canceled as the exasperated Pilot bitterly dismisses Dorfman as only a 'toy airplanes' designer - convinced the flight to come will end in another tragedy!

Well, the story has a happy ending (the same can not be said of the stunt pilot who died flying the airplane in the movie) as Dorfman's creation takes wing and carries everyone to safety


Also this report about the situation.......
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This aviation pioneer and legendary movie stunt pilot died in Yuma, Arizona, during the filming of The Flight Of The Phoenix. As three motion picture cameras ground away, his plane hit a small sand dune, overturned and disintegrated. Though semi-retired from stunt work, Mantz was covering for his partner, Frank Tallman, who'd six weeks earlier broken his leg pushing his son's go-cart.

Although these quotes don't mention it, I am not sure if the pilot (Mantz) was the only occupant of the A/C
 

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That's sad.

I've also seen 'Spirit of St. Louis' with Jimmy Stewart
 
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Reply #37 - Apr 15th, 2003 at 9:26am
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sh**! i completely forgot my favourite movie! "13 days" ,a GREAT film about the cuban crisis, with some really cool 1960's aircraft sequences!
 
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Also, who stars in the movie 'Battle of Britain'? I know it's an older British film, but I havn't been able to find a copy. I'll try looking in the newest movie rental place in town


Christopher Plummer, Michael Caine, Lawrence Olivier (as the boss), Trevor Howard, Robert Shaw, Susannah York and Kurt Jurgens (as your archetypical Kraut - as usual).

What would the Movie industries in the US and UK have done for a good German if not for Kurt?
 

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There is a sad note on " The Flight of The Phoenix"....there were apparently deaths occured in the making of that movie, and as far as I remember about it, it was in a flying sequence............will search it back now

What I just found in a movie review.......

Also this report about the situation.......
Although these quotes don't mention it, I am not sure if the pilot (Mantz) was the only occupant of the A/C


Thanks Rifle,

You jogged my memory on that one.
We have a movie presenter here, Bill Collins, who has been presenting his show "The Golden Years of Hollywood" on various channels for about 30 years. He always takes a good 15 minutes or so to give you all the interesting trivia about the movies he presents (some people hate it but I think he's great).

I remember him mentioning this when I last saw this movie.
You can get it from here, or use this as a reference, Andrew
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=5689542&cart=142718269

P.S. Rifle, the info you found has a small error. The Pilot portrayed in the film was named "Towns".
Also, I'm pretty sure the aircraft would have only had the pilot on board (being pretty much a mock-up with inherent dangers - although I imagine some sort of airworthiness would have been necessary). In the film, the plane has a small, makeshift cockpit, with just enough room for the pilot. The rest of the men had to ride on the wings, laying flat with perspex screens in front of their faces.
I'm pretty sure that the sequence that shows them flying would have used dummies on the wings.  Grin Wink
 

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urgh pearl harbor. brings back memorys

went to see it with my girlfriend and the best things about that movie was loosing a cell phone under the chair and trying to find it in the dark with the help of the guy behind me, the headache i had at the end, and the chewing out i got after it for being late(which should have been worse)
 
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Christopher Plummer, Michael Caine, Lawrence Olivier (as the boss), Trevor Howard, Robert Shaw, Susannah York and Kurt Jurgens (as your archetypical Kraut - as usual).


I noticed Kenneth Moore makes an apperance in it too... And we all know that he single handedly won the war in the british film industry! Grin
 

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Incidentally, re the "Flight of the Phoenix".

Once again, displaying my ignorance of these things.

The engine has to be started with cartridges which are loaded into a cylinder which is locked, cocked and fired.

I was aware of these things but know nothing about them.
What is the system called, was it used in any WWII planes. Obviously the firing mechanism had to be in the cockpit. How did the "charge" get to the engines when they were on the wings?
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Thanks Rifle,

P.S. Rifle, the info you found has a small error. The Pilot portrayed in the film was named "Towns".
Also, I'm pretty sure .........  rest of the men had to ride on the wings, laying flat with perspex screens in front of their faces.
 Grin Wink
I remember about the men riding the wings, but the man named Mantz was not a character or star in the movie, he was a stuntman pilot.......I am pretty sure that is the correct name of the actual man who died in this sad situation...........will check further....

This quote is from Museum of Flight, which can be found here       http://www.museumofflight.org/collections/craftdisplay.html?ID=13

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Paul Mantz got his start in Hollywood by flying a scene that the veteran stunt pilot, Frank Clark, refused—zoom a biplane through an open hangar. The scene, for the movie Air Mail (1932), earned him $100 and a reputation as a precision flier. In the years that followed, Mantz made a name for himself not only as a stuntman, but also as an accomplished air racer, technological advisor to Amelia Earhart, aviation scene director, and operator of a highly profitable charter service for the big names in Hollywood. Mantz also owned a fleet of aircraft, including two Boeing Model 100s. Tragically, Mantz was killed in a plane crash while filming Flight of the Phoenix in 1965.


 

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I noticed Kenneth Moore makes an apperance in it too... And we all know that he single handedly won the war in the british film industry! Grin


That sounds like John Wayne! Grin Grin
 
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I'm surprised the older rotorheads haven't coughed up Blue Thunder or Airwolf yet! Both had a movie before the TV series...

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I've seen the movies and I watched Airwolf when I was a kid but I never new about a Blue Thunder TV series, so how did that work if Blue Thunder got destroyed by a train?
 

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I'm surprised the older rotorheads haven't coughed up Blue Thunder or Airwolf yet! Both had a movie before the TV series...

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Reply #48 - Apr 15th, 2003 at 5:11pm
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Don't forget the occasional use of a chopper by Broderick Crawford in the series "Highway Patrol".

And the Saturday morning series - - - - Supercar!!!
 
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I remember about the men riding the wings, but the man named Mantz was not a character or star in the movie, he was a stuntman pilot.......I am pretty sure that is the correct name of the actual man who died in this sad situation...........will check further....

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Sorry Rifle, you've misunderstood or I've not been clear.
I know that Mantz was the stuntman.
I was talking about the character played by Stewart. The quote has the characters name as "Townsend". It was "Towns".

I was also just describing the plane in order to qualify that IMO, it would only have held one person, the pilot.
I think this because the plane that Mantz was killed in was the same plane that was used on the ground for filming, and I don't see where anyone else could have fit.

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Incidentally, re the "Flight of the Phoenix".

Once again, displaying my ignorance of these things.

The engine has to be started with cartridges which are loaded into a cylinder which is locked, cocked and fired.

I was aware of these things but know nothing about them.
What is the system called, was it used in any WWII planes. Obviously the firing mechanism had to be in the cockpit. How did the "charge" get to the engines when they were on the wings?
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I just spotted this. Many WWII aircraft had "Coffman" cartridge starters, especially naval types as electrics are vulnerable to seawater. According to one source, all RR Griffon engines were fitted with Coffman starters.

The cartridges are blanks, loaded into a special chamber much like that used on a revolver. When fired, they discharge straight into the cylinders, thus turning the engine over. On RAF Chipmunks the cartridges were fired by pulling a ring on a cable in the front cockpit. This meant pulling it right back from the instrument panel to over your right shoulder for safety reasons. If this took more than one cartridge you would get a ticking off from the instructor. If it failed to start, the switches would be turned off & the prop turned backwards to expel excess fuel from the cylinders before trying again. In my time they took great pains to remind you the cartridges cost 10 bob (50 pence) each. LOL

The same method was also used for starting jet engines on 50s jets like the Gloster Javelin & English Electric Canberra. I'm not too sure if the idea is still used on modern types.  Roll Eyes
 

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quote author=ozzy72 link=board=gen;num=1050256667;start=45#45 date=04/15/03 at 12:38:12]I'm surprised the older rotorheads haven't coughed up Blue Thunder or Airwolf yet! Both had a movie before the TV series...

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Hey slow down i just got here  Grin

Airwolf was brilliant film, i love the begining part were the designer steals it and there testing it, its really technical they way the speak and its beleivable.

Bluethunder was more of film abut the us government spying and the aerial scenes could have been better, and destroyeing the chopper  Cry

Dont get me started on die hard 2 it was rubbish, it was the exact same as 1 only in an airport,
Die hard 1 and 3 are brilliant, cant wait for 4.

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In order of my personal preference

Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines
Memphis Belle
Dark Blue World (quite a recent one)
Catch Me if You Can (not strongly related to the subject but....)
Tora, Tora, Tora (the original Pearl Habour)
Pearl Habour
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Dambusters
Airforce One
The Right Stuff

Think that's about it for now.
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I like several ones like:

Twelve O'Clock High
Midway
a real oldie called Wings (Silent)
SAC
Spirit of St. Louis
I think it is called The Great Waldo Pepper with Robert Redford, also cant think of the names of some but nothing beats the real footage from the signal corps like Midway, Memphis Belle, and from the Why We Fight Series called The Battle of Britian -- that's the real stuff there. (I also have one with Ronald Reagan as a fighter pilot who has trouble recognizing Zero's and is in need of instruction --a training film)
 
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Die hard 1 and 3 are brilliant, cant wait for 4.


I havn't seen Die Hard 2. I've seen the first and third, but not the second. All i can say is, Interesting movies! Roll Eyes Grin
 
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OH `cmon you guys,What are you watching out there?There are only three good flics of all time:Flying Leathernecks(the"Duke",no more to say there).Stategic Air Command(Jimmy Stewart,what America is!,and the shots of B-36 & B-47 In "panavision"),and my favoritre of all time-Dr.Strangelove!(yes,Slim Pickins riding the 10 megaton nuclear device set for airburst at 10-check-12 thousand feet goin YEEEEEEHAAAAAA is the finest piece of cellulose Hollywood ever produced Grin
 

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Reply #57 - Apr 17th, 2003 at 11:23pm
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Clark Gable and Wallace Beery in that one where they fly the bi-planes off of the carrier and a lot of North Island San Diego in it.
 
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Mostly all US military aircraft use a big block V8 Chevy to pump compressed air into the turbines to turn them over. Or on even more modern ones use internal jet starters. I do not think we use cartridges anymore/
 

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Oso I saw this film a while back on TCM, I can't remember its name though "The Flying Aces"? But I remember the planes having the Ace of Spades marking on their tails, I believe this Sqn. is still in service with the USN?
As for cartridges, well Hagar by the time I got to Chipmunks they were all gone... But I think most of the Merlin engines used the Coffman too....

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I like several ones like:

Twelve O'Clock High
Midway
a real oldie called Wings (Silent)
SAC
Spirit of St. Louis
I think it is called The Great Waldo Pepper with Robert Redford, also cant think of the names of some but nothing beats the real footage from the signal corps like Midway, Memphis Belle, and from the Why We Fight Series called The Battle of Britian -- that's the real stuff there. (I also have one with Ronald Reagan as a fighter pilot who has trouble recognizing Zero's and is in need of instruction --a training film)


The ones with authentic footage are always interesting to see. However, having seen so many History Channel Doco's containing the same footage over and over, I don't think there's much around that's not been used in films or doco's that I haven't seen.
I know that to 99% of people a film is a means of entertainment and it's only we buffs that are picky about things, but if I see that shot of an F6F on a carrier hitting the island and breaking in half, revealing the bulkhead behind the cockpit one more time, I'll scream.
Christ, isn't the poor bugger embarrassed enough yet..............lol.
As I said in my post, they don't seem too particular about getting the sequences correct in terms of time and place etc. For instance, the shot I mention above was shown in the Battle of Midway movie. Of course there were no F6F's. There were also many other shots which were glaring errors. But as I said, for most the entertainment value is there.
I could go to a movie about something I don't know much about and not be concerned with similar oversights.

As for Ronald's character having difficulty recognising Zeros. The Dauntless was very similar in shape and at a distance, especially in poor light, many mistakes were made. I read that Joe Foss (pretty sure it was him) was flying and spotted a group of Dauntlesses and thought he'd give them an escort. He ended up in the middle of a flight of Zeros. So it happened to the best.  Grin Grin Wink
 

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I think the main difference is that we watch any film with aviation content mainly for the featured aircraft. The storyline & acting take second place.
It's possible to be over-critcal. IMHO

I'm surprised nobody picked up my " deliberate" mistake on the Coffman starters. Maybe nobody is particularly interested. LOL
They do not discharge direct to the cylinders but connect to the engine starter jaw via a clutch in the conventional way. http://www.sjvls.org/sjvis/bens/bf010cs.html
 

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I didn't pick it up because I know nothing about the system.
But it does amaze me that such a .............strange way of starting a plane engine was as widely used as you reported.
We have all seen the ground crewman wheel the "booster" trolley over to the plane for the pilot to get started, but this "Coffman" method is a bit new to all. As I said, I knew of it but that's it.

Tell me, if a WWII plane, say, a Spitfire was to stall (engine wise) in mid flight, could the engine be re-started by the pilot?
Were there any planes that had a completely self contained electrical system (say, like a car) that didn't need assistance at start-up?   Grin Grin Wink
 

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The main advantages of a cartridge starter over the electric type are comparative lightness & reliability. Aircraft electrics were notoriously unreliable in those days.

Most aircraft would be fitted with some sort of battery or accumulator but this would be small capacity (again due to the weight) & mainly used for instruments & radio. It could be used for engine starting in emergencies, providing the engine was fitted with an electric starter of course. The trolley-acc would be used when available to save draining the onboard battery.

Aircraft engines cannot stall in the conventional sense. The word "stall" applied to aircraft would usually refer to the aerodynamic meaning of the term. Piston engines might cut out due to fuel starvation or some other problem. If they were to stop for whatever reason, piston engines can usually be restarted in the air by using the airflow to spin the prop. This might involve putting the aircraft into a dive to get it rotating.

PS. Various other methods are used for engine starting. These include:
Hand swinging. Tiger Moth, Piper Cub etc.
Hand cranked Inertia starter. Anson, Stearman, Harvard, some Bf 109 variants
Pneumatic (compressed air). Commonly used on Russian & Chinese types. MiG 3, post-WWII Yak 52 etc.

PPS. The electric powered inertia starter system used on the P-38 & your favourite P-40 can also be hand-cranked.
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The line chief awakened me before daylight and told me to go out and preflight a P-38 with the squadron identifier LMT. He said I would now be crewing for John Eiland. My pilot had been transferred out to another outfit when we left England. LMT was a new P-38 ferried over the southern Atlantic route from the Lockheed factory and had arrived at Tafarouri the previous day. I can remember the following as if it happened yesterday. I finally located LMT with my flashlight. I tried to start the engines for the preflight but the battery was dead. My first thoughts were not pleasant nor was I confident, at that early hour, that my beginning as a crew chief for Big John, who was second in command, was getting off to a good start. I knew Big John would be out to take off at the break of dawn, and I needed to get moving although I was all by myself. I sat down in the cockpit and primed the left engine with fuel, set the throttles, set the mixture controls, set the parking brakes and put wheel chocks in front of the wheels. The plane still had the belly tanks on from its last flight, I thought if I was successful in getting the engine inertia starter up to speed by hand cranking the starter by myself, I would be able to get the left engine started. I could jump on the belly tank, make one leap onto the wing, another leap into the cockpit and hit the starter switch before the inertia starter lost speed to turn the engine over. I believe the adrenaline jolt I was having, would enable me to make the first vault onto the belly tank and the rest would be a race against time. I hand cranked the inertia starter until I knew, from the high pitch whine, it wasn't going to go any faster so I dropped the crank and made my first leap. Every thing went as planned and the engine started at the first rotation of the propeller. I then started the right engine by using the generator on the left engine and continued on with the pre-flight. http://www.1stfighter.org/warstories/duncan.html
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Ive seen "flight of the Pheonix" but thought it lame because,A:How can you re-assemble a wrecked C-123 Provider,and make a completly new A/C ,in the middle of the desert with no tools B:How do you transfer fuel without ALOT of drums.C:Aluminium is light,but unless there were alot of cammels around,how do you move major airframe components into the precice posititions needed for assembly,and D:If Im not mistaken,the C-123 used a variation of the Wright Cyclone engine which was battery/magneto start-not a stupid cartrige.       Ive seen films,and heard stories about the Canberra with its cartrige starters-manny`a ground crew shot his PKP bottle into the intake after seeing the cloud of black smoke,thinking the engine was alight and not knowing that was normal.                                                                                      Grin    p.s. "Air America" is my second favorite Grin
 

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Phil. It's a while since I saw the film but I think you'll find the aircraft was a Fairchild C-82 Packet. http://afmuseum.com/aircraft/c82.html
I agree with what you say but this is a work of fiction. Where's your imagination?  Wink
I believe the aircraft they flew was actually created from a C-82. It did fly but as was previously mentioned the pilot was unfortunately killed. That's why there was no foootage of the actual landing & the film ended abrubtly.

PS. I didn't get it quite right. Here's the full story with photos. http://stripe.colorado.edu/~steinerd/Phoenix.html
 

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Oso I saw this film a while back on TCM, I can't remember its name though "The Flying Aces"? But I remember the planes having the Ace of Spades marking on their tails, I believe this Sqn. is still in service with the USN?
As for cartridges, well Hagar by the time I got to Chipmunks they were all gone... But I think most of the Merlin engines used the Coffman too....

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Its VF-41, the Black Aces. They now fly F-14 Tomcats stationed on board the USS John F. Kennedy.

http://www.topedge.com/alley/squadron/lant/vf41hist.htm


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Phil. It's a while since I saw the film but I think you'll find the aircraft was a Fairchild C-82 Packet. http://afmuseum.com/aircraft/c82.html
I agree with what you say but this is a work of fiction. Where's your imagination?  Wink
I believe the aircraft they flew was actually created from a C-82. It did fly but as was previously mentioned the pilot was unfortunately killed. That's why there was no foootage of the actual landing & the film ended abrubtly.

PS. I didn't get it quite right. Here's the full story with photos. http://stripe.colorado.edu/~steinerd/Phoenix.html


Great find, Hagar,

I see there was a second person in the plane.

Good shots too, all be they tragic.
I did mention earlier that I was wondering about the airworthiness of the plane that was used and whether, in those days, it would have been necessary to obtain certification of some kind. obvious it was.

Phil, as for the feasability of the exercise depicted in the film. I have read (or heard from my friend Bill Collins - previously mentioned) that there was some discussion as to whether the feat could have been achieved.
The verdict apparently was, it could , at a pinch, with alot of luck etc.
The problems they faced and the solutions were covered quite meticulously, I think, in the film. Whether all of it is sound from a physical and engineering point, I don't know, but it satisfied me in terms of the few pieces of equipment they had and the tenets of leverage and weight transferral via fulchrum and geared block & tackle etc.
If it's not feasable, well, it was a good yarn anyway.  Grin Grin Wink


 

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The ones with authentic footage are always interesting to see. However, having seen so many History Channel Doco's containing the same footage over and over, I don't think there's much around that's not been used in films or doco's that I haven't seen.
I know that to 99% of people a film is a means of entertainment and it's only we buffs that are picky about things, but if I see that shot of an F6F on a carrier hitting the island and breaking in half, revealing the bulkhead behind the cockpit one more time, I'll scream.
Christ, isn't the poor bugger embarrassed enough yet..............lol.
As I said in my post, they don't seem too particular about getting the sequences correct in terms of time and place etc. For instance, the shot I mention above was shown in the Battle of Midway movie. Of course there were no F6F's. There were also many other shots which were glaring errors. But as I said, for most the entertainment value is there.
I could go to a movie about something I don't know much about and not be concerned with similar oversights.

As for Ronald's character having difficulty recognising Zeros. The Dauntless was very similar in shape and at a distance, especially in poor light, many mistakes were made. I read that Joe Foss (pretty sure it was him) was flying and spotted a group of Dauntlesses and thought he'd give them an escort. He ended up in the middle of a flight of Zeros. So it happened to the best.  Grin Grin Wink


You might say that but how many of you guys noticed that in the Battle of Britain when the pole first go into combat (unintentionally) half the aircraft in the Hurricane formation are actually Bf109E's. Its hard to spot them but then again... Hurricane's never had struts to hold the tail plane up!
 

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You might say that but how many of you guys noticed that in the Battle of Britain when the pole first go into combat (unintentionally) half the aircraft in the Hurricane formation are actually Bf109E's. Its hard to spot them but then again... Hurricane's never had struts to hold the tail plane up!


I remember you mentioning that a few months ago.
I went and looked at my tape to see if I could make out the struts (they're there).  Grin Grin

I reckon if a few of us got together and watched a few older movies with "the critical eye", we'd manage to spot alot more of this sort of thing.
You've got to hand it to the movie makers, in some instances, after all, they didn't have ant kind of computer generation then, so it must have been hard.

By the way, Woody, how many Spits and Hurri's did they have available during the production in '68?


 

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i remember two other movies: Air America with Mel Gibson and euh another Vietnam-movie with Gene Hackman.

p.s: did anyone already mention "apocalypse now"? the helicopter attack. or the wreck of a B-52 in the jungle.
 
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p.s: did anyone already mention "apocalypse now"? the helicopter attack. or the wreck of a B-52 in the jungle.


Gene Hackman.................Bat 52.
I think I mentioned it earlier in some way. Or maybe it was in the "Best War Movie" thread.  Grin
 

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how many Spits and Hurri's did they have available during the production in '68?

You might find this article interesting. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/gdg18/battleofbritain.shtml
The numbers were 27 Spitfires & 4 Hurricanes (2 airworthy). Not all the Spitfires were airworthy & some were used for taxying footage only. Many of these were completely restored afterwards. The film is claimed to have started the revival in warbird refurbishment & many aircraft on the current display circuit had some part in it.

They also built full-sized fibreglass replicas for static shots. These were later refurbished & exchanged for the remaining real Spitfires used as gate guardians on RAF stations.

The Spanish Air Force were still using home-built versions of the Bf 109 (Hispano Aviacion HA-1112-M1L Buchon) & He 111 (CASA 2111). 28 Buchons were purchased for the film while about 50 serving CASA 2111s took part, flown mainly by Spanish pilots. Only 2 "Heinkels" were flown to Britain & the rest of the filming took place over Spain. Unfortunately, no examples of other types of Luftwaffe bombers that took part in the BoB were available.

The producers went to a great deal of trouble to make everything as authentic as possible. It's all too easy to be over-critical. IMHO  Wink
 

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Reply #74 - Apr 21st, 2003 at 8:22pm

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The producers went to a great deal of trouble to make everything as authentic as possible. It's all too easy to be over-critical. IMHO   


Agree, most definitely. i don't think it's really critisism, more a need to point out that we are aware of the subtle differences.

I'm surprised to find that there was such a lack of Hurricanes, considering the number produced and available at wars end. Also, I imagine they would be a much cheaper proposition to restore, given the simpler construction etc.

P.S. I once heard that at the end of the war a complete "crated" Spitfire" could be bought in England (from the RAF or whatever Dept. involved) for 1,000 pounds. Is there any truth to this.  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #75 - Apr 21st, 2003 at 9:08pm

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The Final Countdown


Great movie. If there is any movie that mixes avation and science fiction, it would probably be "The Final Countdown".

I would like to see some other a movie where fighter pilots fight aliens, I know Independence Day did that but there is just something...

My list
-memphis belle
-The Right Stuff
-The Man Without a Face (title probably not accurate, It about a boy that wants to become a fighter pilot in the 60)
-October Sky
-Air Force One (ok, it had a good plot)

there probably others that I'm forgeting.
 
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Reply #76 - Apr 21st, 2003 at 9:20pm

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Great movie. If there is any movie that mixes avation and science fiction, it would probably be "The Final Countdown".

I would like to see some other a movie where fighter pilots fight aliens, I know Independence Day did that but there is just something...

My list
-memphis belle
-The Right Stuff
-The Man Without a Face (title probably not accurate, It about a boy that wants to become a fighter pilot in the 60)
-October Sky
-Air Force One (ok, it had a good plot)

there probably others that I'm forgeting.


I vaguely recall a movie I only saw once, back in the early '70's. It was made in the late '50's or early '60's.
All I remember about it is a test pilot is flying a new jet and is trying to break the sound barrier or something and his plane (and him) are taken ahead in time. He lands at the airfield he took off from and the hangers are all delapidated and the runways are overgrown with grass.
That's all I recall. Is it enough for someone to recognise it.
Oh yeah, when the jet was going ahead in time, there were "ghost" images coming off it as it went.

That's it, Rifle. the only Sci-fi one I remember at the moment.  Grin Grin Wink

Let's not forget the one with the Nimitz going back to Pearl Harbour. There were F14's splashing A6M2's in that one. That's good Sci-fi. What was it called?............tip of my tongue.
 

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Reply #77 - Apr 21st, 2003 at 9:37pm

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The Final Countdown is about the Nimitz going back to Pearl Harbour.

Take a look here
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0080736

Since we are talking about airplanes going through time, the TV movie "The Langoliers" was a good one.

Look here
http://www.firsttvdrama.com/show2/history/lango.php3

 
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Reply #78 - Apr 22nd, 2003 at 12:05am

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The Final Countdown is about the Nimitz going back to Pearl Harbour.

Take a look here
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0080736

Since we are talking about airplanes going through time, the TV movie "The Langoliers" was a good one.

Look here
http://www.firsttvdrama.com/show2/history/lango.php3



That's what got me confused. The Final Countdown is the movie I meant, but I was picturing Sci-fi as "fighting aliens" as mentioned. Sorry, confusion and stupidity on my part.

The Langoliers was a good movie. I've only seen it once, about 5 years ago. Was it time travel though? I thought they were in some kind of parallel uni or an alternate reality or something.  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #79 - Apr 22nd, 2003 at 2:23am

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I'm surprised to find that there was such a lack of Hurricanes, considering the number produced and available at wars end. Also, I imagine they would be a much cheaper proposition to restore, given the simpler construction etc.


I think this can be explained by the fact that the Spitfire remained in sevice well after 1945. Earlier marks were also in demand by other nations. Check out the histories of just two of the Mark IXs on the current display circuit.
MH434. Ray Hanna's personal aircraft & probably the most famous Spitfire now flying. http://www.ukwarbirds.fsnet.co.uk/profiles%20MH434.htm
ML407. Carolyn Grace's 2-seat version. http://www.ukwarbirds.fsnet.co.uk/operators%20%20grace.htm My dream is to have a flight in it some day. Wink
Also a list of all airworthy warbirds currently in the UK.
http://www.ukwarbirds.fsnet.co.uk/warbird_directory.htm

1,000s of unwanted surplus aircraft would have been broken up for scrap with no hesitation at the end of WWII. Some naval types were simply pushed over the side of their carriers. Nobody foresaw the demand for these types over 50 years later. I know of many that were purchased for the crates they came in rather than the aircraft.

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P.S. I once heard that at the end of the war a complete "crated" Spitfire" could be bought in England (from the RAF or whatever Dept. involved) for 1,000 pounds. Is there any truth to this.  Grin Wink


I would have thought it would have been far less. I know you could purchase an ex-RAF Tiger Moth in 1946 for around £75. That's how many flying clubs got re-established after the war. I remember reading an Avro Vulcan could be yours for around £1,000 when they were finally retired in 1984. That's providing you had somewhere to keep it of course. It would be in unairworthy condition & much of the equipment would have been stripped out. Jeremy Clarkson, the popular TV presenter has a Harrier as a garden ornament. This was featured in one of his recent programs.
 

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Reply #80 - Apr 22nd, 2003 at 5:13am

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I vaguely recall a movie I only saw once, back in the early '70's. It was made in the late '50's or early '60's.
All I remember about it is a test pilot is flying a new jet and is trying to break the sound barrier or something and his plane (and him) are taken ahead in time. He lands at the airfield he took off from and the hangers are all delapidated and the runways are overgrown with grass.
That's all I recall. Is it enough for someone to recognise it.
Oh yeah, when the jet was going ahead in time, there were "ghost" images coming off it as it went.

That's it, Rifle. the only Sci-fi one I remember at the moment.  Grin Grin Wink

Let's not forget the one with the Nimitz going back to Pearl Harbour. There were F14's splashing A6M2's in that one. That's good Sci-fi. What was it called?............tip of my tongue.

If Im not mistaken,I think that was a Twilight Zone or Outer Limits episode. Catch 22 was another great flick! Cheesy
 

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Reply #81 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 12:04am

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Yo brensec and phil509,
  I belive your both thinking of an original "Outer Limits" episode in which a X-15 test pilot and his wife, who was coming out to see him land, get cought in a time "vortex".  Time for them remains constant while for all others, in "real" time, it has slowed down.  The catch is that "real" time is slowly approacing the "vortex".  If the pilot and his wife are not in the proper locations when the two meet they will remain trapped in the "vortex", between "times".
 
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Reply #82 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 5:24am

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I think you may be right, I recall the movie/show being black & white and also a bit "B' grade looking.
This tends to support the "Outer limits" theory (the old version of the early '60's)

Was it the "Ghosts" coming of the plane that I mentioned that gave it away, because that's the clearest, most 'standout' feature of the show.

Thanks anyway, I don't have to worry about finding out what it was now.
 

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Reply #83 - Apr 23rd, 2003 at 7:38pm

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The Old Outer Limits, that’s hard to fish out.

There seems to be lots of time slowing down stories. Like the younger population might remember the episode of "Erie Indiana" when the world had to set their clocks behind (day light savings time) except for the town of Erie Indiana. The main character sets his clock back anyways and wakes up in a parallel universe where the town is the same but there seems to be nobody. He then finds garbage men that destroy anything that does not belong in that universe. The there is a milk man that helps him know where he is, which is a place that is some "empty hour back universe". Then he finds am other person that made the same mistake and are now stuck together. The character eventually communicates with his brother in the real universe through a milk carton. He tells him to set the watch an hour ahead to counter act which he did. Then he and the other person goes back to the universe.

Cool plot though, with the X-15. Nuclear engery and the sound barrier seemed to boggel the mind of scientist then.
 
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Reply #84 - Apr 24th, 2003 at 3:08pm

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There is a documentary that will be gaurenteed to make even the biggest redneck cry like a little school boy. Embarrassed

But the biggest picker is that I cannot remember what it is called!! Sad Embarrassed

It is about a rich treasure hunter that goes into Iceland because a B52 bomber crash landed there during WW2. The plane is in relatively good condition and so that rebuild it with the intent to fly it out!

It is an amazing story and has an unbelievable ending. I will do some more searching on the internet for the title but if anyone knows what I am talking about PLEASE let me know!!!!!!!!

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Reply #85 - Apr 24th, 2003 at 3:23pm

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I think this is the one you mean Cherokee. “B-29, Frozen in Time”.  http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedStories/03.03shortstories/03.03.09contss.htm
 

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Reply #86 - Apr 24th, 2003 at 3:27pm

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I think this is the one you mean Cherokee. “B-29, Frozen in Time”.  http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedStories/03.03shortstories/03.03.09contss.htm

Yes! Thats It! Thanks Hagar....
It is about the plane nicknamed "Kee Bird". I don't know if you can get it from a library or not but it is worth buying. There is alot of good action shots of them flying a Caribou to bring in all their supplies...(even carrying a big tractor to make the runway...)

Know that I know what its called I am definetly going to buy it...
 

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Reply #87 - Apr 24th, 2003 at 3:58pm

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Airplane

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Hotshots

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Reply #88 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 1:13am

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Just quickly, on the subject of the Sci-Fi shows.

I remember a 'Twiligyt Zone" episode where a bloke somehow gets sent ahead in time (just a few minutes or an hour) and he comes across all these people dressed in blue overalls, whose job it is to "build" and "paint" the world each and every minute, so that when the minute changes to the next, everything is ready and in place.

The bloke comes across an alley way that has no matter or substance in it and he asks what's the deal there? He's told that no-one is "scheduled to be in or go into that alley during the minute that they are building for, so there's no need to have it there.

The Head Builder asks him if he has ever put something down somewhere and gone to grab it shortly after and it hasn't been there. he says he has. The Builder tells him that's a result of them "stuffing up" and forgetting to put something in place.

Silly, but a very entertaining episode........lol  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #89 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 1:37pm
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     To my mind, the best single aviation film is the original silent WINGS (real WWI aircraft flown by real WWI pilots having real WWI in-flight fires and real WWI dying-in-horrific-accidents) and TWELVE O"CLOCK HIGH (real B17s flying from real WWII aerodromes).  No, the TWO best aviation films are WINGS, TWELVE O'CLOCK HIGH, and FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX.  I'll start over.
     The THREE best aviation films are WINGS, TWELVE O"CLOCK HIGH, FLIGHT OF THE PHEONIX, and BATTLE OF BRITAIN.
     All right, the FOUR best are those above and STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND.  Or anything with James Stewart.
     My vote for worst aviation disaster movie of all time?  "PEARL HARBOR, the dramatic story of how the evil Imperial Empire launched a dastardly sneak attack on an American love triangle."  Or its alternate trailer, "An hour and a half of lovestruck nimrods broken up by 15 minutes of spectacular cinematography treated as an afterthought."  Bloody Putzes!
     As to FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX, Paul Mantz was the man killed flying the "1/3 of a Skytruck"--which his firm, TALLMANTZ Aviation in Hollywood, built from an actual Fairchild C-82 aircraft.  He and his partner Frank Tallman had the biggest 'air force' in the country at one time next to the USAF, comprised of surplus aircraft bought after WWII.  You wanted an airplane flown through a billboard or a barn?  Crashed into a fuel tanker?  You called Mantz and Tallman.  Dag blag neat guys.  No computer magic, either.  The final flight scene in FOTP where the 'airplane' goes over the ridgetop?  That's where the actual pilot was killed.  Makes you think.
 
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Reply #90 - Apr 25th, 2003 at 4:54pm

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Okay,do any of you like"Broken Arrow",with John Travolta? Theres a flick for thought! Cheesy
 

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Reply #91 - Apr 27th, 2003 at 10:48pm

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Just recalled one with a "sci-fi" feel.

A B-17 (or B24) is in the desert and the crew are hanging around the plane waiting for rescue.
Problem?.............they've been there for 30 or 40 years and are still in their early 20's.
On the mission, one of the crew panicked and bailed out over the Med and was picked up.
The plane is discovered and it's obviously some time in the '70's or '80's.
Richard Baseheart plays the coward who bailed out without orders. He has become an Airforce General. He originally reported the plane as "going down in the Med" and has some explaining to do as to why it's in the middle of the desert.
Turns out the crew are dead but aren't at rest because they haven't been found and buried. Their bodies are scattered in different places according to what happened to them (some died in the crash, some after at the plane site, some went off to get help etc).
Richard Baseharts character is finally disgraced as the fact that the dinghy and life vests are still in the plane and other evidence points to the fact that there was no "bailout" at all.

Does anyone remember the movie?

I suppose if I do a "filmography" search on Basehart, I'll find the name pretty quick. Hang on.  Grin
 

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Reply #92 - Apr 27th, 2003 at 10:53pm

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Afeter looking at his homepage,  the only thing that it seems it could be is a TV Movie called "Sole Survivor" made in 1969 in which he is listed as playing a "Brigadier General".

That must be it.
 

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Reply #93 - Apr 27th, 2003 at 11:09pm
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Brensec

I think it was a twilite zone or something

My favorite airplane scene was in  "Out of Africa"
when Redford took the Lady flying and she asked
"when did you learn to fly?" and his answer was
"yesterday"!!!!!!

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Reply #94 - May 2nd, 2003 at 11:00pm

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Always.... Fighing forest fires in an A-26 and a catalina.
Richard Dreyfus and John Goodman
Apollo 13
The Right Stuff
SAC Jimmy Stewart, need I say more
Spirit of St Louis... Same
Flight of the Intruder
Air Force One
Behind Enemy Lines
Bat 21
Blue Thunder
Top Gun
the first Iron Eagle
Memphis Belle
Midway
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Reply #95 - May 2nd, 2003 at 11:07pm
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You all are forgetting a classic!

John Wayne as "Spig Weed"!

The story of US aircraft carrier development.
 
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Reply #96 - May 2nd, 2003 at 11:33pm

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  Lot's of great warbird movies mentioned here, on the airliner end of things "turbulence" with Ray Liotta had some great shots of the 747 doing a barrel roll, real or computer generated? Discuss.
Also plenty of airliner action in "pushing Tin"  I'm not saying these are examples of great film making, but not a lot of civil aviation flicks to choose from.
 

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