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Apr 12^th, 2003 at 4:39am

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this helicopter as341G Gazelle is downloadable on my Web site.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gmaxflight2002/

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Reply #1 - Apr 12^th, 2003 at 8:57am

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Very nice.
Thank You very, very much.
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Reply #2 - Apr 12^th, 2003 at 9:07am

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very nice helo
and no matter how many times i got woken up at 3am by those things for the 7 years i lived in middle wallop i could never hate it

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Reply #3 - Apr 12^th, 2003 at 9:29am

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Thats gotta be one of the best looking, helos in the world. Anyone ever seen the Blue Eagles?

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Reply #4 - Apr 12^th, 2003 at 9:58am

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only a few hundred times:)

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Reply #5 - Apr 12^th, 2003 at 11:03am

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WOW!! Looks beautiful!
Downloading it now!

Merci beaucoup!

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Reply #6 - Apr 12^th, 2003 at 1:08pm

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http://www.deltaweb.co.uk/eagles/bluehome.htm
blue eagles home page worth a look and if you have a chance to get to middle wallop for the airshow i would take it, has an amazing approach at the end of the event. just dont tell them i sent you, i know one of you hoodlums would end up getting me banned from my home town Grin

just kidding guys Wink

definatly worth a trip
and great helecopter once again

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Reply #7 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 3:42am

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What an amazing model this is....!!!
After downloading it last night, (I think I had to share time with Pete, as it took 3/4's of an hour to complete the download!), I spent the next hour or so just rotating it and zooming in and out observing all the tremendous detail lavished upon it.
The main rotor mechanism detail alone is a work of art!
Note the blades changing pitch as the collective lever is moved!
This is a helicopter worthy of including as a default aircraft in FS 2004!
I don't normally fly helicopters, because I feel like a drunken ballerina skating on ice, and never seem to be able to master it, but this excellent model is well worth me carrying out a lot more practice!
...must persevere...!

Many thanks again to the GMAXFLIGHT team.... Grin

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...WELL DONE...!

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Reply #8 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 3:51am

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wow, looks great!

Gonna download it ASAP Wink

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Reply #9 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 4:08am

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A beautiful model, and now in my hangar.
I hope everyone gets this one, she is a dream!

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Reply #10 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 7:13am

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Fantastic piece of work. Thanks so much for producing it!

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Reply #11 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 7:33am

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I'm not complaining about anything I just can't fly Helos that well, but how the hell do you get it to stop ???

If someone with multiple personality disorder threatens suicide, is it a hostage situation?

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Reply #12 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 7:42am

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I'm not complaining about anything I just can't fly Helos that well, but how the hell do you get it to stop ???

Hi Craig... Grin

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'WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY', are the words that spring to mind, in my case... Cry

....!
..it's one of the problems with flying machines that have no wings, rudder, elevators, ailerons or flaps, and in some cases, no brakes either... Roll Eyes

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LOL...!

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Reply #13 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 7:49am

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Calb is the man to answer this really. He's an on-line instructor for helicoptors, but unfortunately I don't have the link (someone will post it I'm sure).

I'll do my best in the meantime.

Flying a helicoptor is seriously different to a fixed wing aircraft. It's all about translating the power of the engine into a combination of lift and directional motion. This is something you have to finely balance between use of the collective, rudder (tail rotor in this case) and the joystick.

To stop, lower the collective somewhat and pull back on the joystick. Lowering the collective counters the altitude increasing effect of pulling back on the joystick.

That's a VERY oversimplified attempt to explain it. It's all a matter of practice.

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Reply #14 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 7:53am

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Yeah Craig that does sound like something you SHOULD jump out of!! Grin

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Reply #15 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 8:48am

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Craig you have to flare in a heli to stop it (pull the nose up, push the collective down (thats the throttle in 2k2)). If you go to the hoversafe academy run by Cal and the boys you'll learn everything you ever needed to know on virtual helis, I did their course just to brush up my skills, and I'm glad I did. Wow Shocked

I can do things that would have scared the willies out of me a year ago!
Go to the links page from the front page here and you'll find them.

Ozzy Wink

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Reply #16 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 8:55am

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I am firmly convinced that helicopters have a mind of their own, and their maneuvres are completely independent of the pilots attempt at controlling them.

I am very familiar with the collective, (using the throttle), controlling the vertical movements.
The cyclic, (using the joystick), controlling the forward/reverse/climb/descend movements, and the rudder pedals controlling yaw.
But operating any of these, in any order, is guaranteed to have exactly the opposite effect to that which the pilot wishes... Roll Eyes

....!

Attempting to hover will result in the craft either going forward, backward, climbing or descending very rapidly, or just rotating round and round it's axis until your eye-balls pop out of your head... Shocked

....!
...which invariably results in a crash and an increase in next years insurance premiums...(if you survive it).... Angry

...!

Been there, done it, many times.... 8)...!

LOL...LOL...LOL...!

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Reply #17 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 11:10am

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Paul, to become a true Jedi takes practice and dedication. However once mastered you can achieve much that is beyond the realms of mere mortals, and make many smutty jokes about your light sabre.
I suggest you chat to Cal!

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Reply #18 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 11:51am

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I've been meaning to go to that site for a while, a well I've got a fornight off so I don't have anymore exuses.

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Reply #19 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 1:00pm

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Paul, to become a true Jedi takes practice and dedication. However once mastered you can achieve much that is beyond the realms of mere mortals, and make many smutty jokes about your light sabre.
I suggest you chat to Cal!

Mark Cheesy

Hi Mark...!
I've got the Millennium Falcon and the X-Wing Tie Fighters from Simviation....as a true Jedi Knight I have no problem with them.... Grin

...
...it's just the bleedin' helicopters... Cry

...!
I have the Jane's and Razorworks helicopter flight training manuals and the software to go with them...
Been up. down, round and round and crashed many times....
Thinks...life is too short for all this malarky.... Angry

...!
...so...
I get back into my little Cessna 150 and life's a dream once again...

....!
...joyfulness... Grin

...!

LOL...LOL...LOL...!

Cheers...
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Reply #20 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 1:13pm

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Yup have it and it is very nice indeed. Grin

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Reply #21 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 1:34pm

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I went throught the Hoversafe courses, and after a lot of practice, you can do anything you want

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Reply #22 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 2:09pm

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Stopping does seem to be a problem with this model. I touched down at 0.2 knots and it skidded for several hundred feet across concrete with the collective (throttle control) off. It seems to have a little too much lift like it weighs nothing. It goes up great but it's really hard to get back down and you have to have absolutely NO forward movement when you touch the ground. I tried the same thing in the Jet Ranger and it stopped the second the skids touched. How do you adjust the lift value of the collective? Just a little less would make it handle perfectly.

Otherwise the detail is amazing. It's the most beautiful helo I've seen in FS2002. Oh, and another thing. How do you open the engine compartment like in the photos?

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Reply #23 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 3:21pm

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use shift+E and immediately 2

thank you for your comment Wink

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Reply #24 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 4:02pm

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Cyril, she is beautiful. Handles great, you've got the torque effect so right its amazing. I'm constantly juggling the rudder. She's a dream. I've already posted some stuff in the Raw Screenshots Forum.
Now I'm off to fly her some more.

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Reply #25 - Apr 13^th, 2003 at 8:02pm

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I just added a thousand pounds and that did the trick. I love this chopper now. It no longer taxies by it'self and it descends perfectly.

I just now noticed the other animation. Has anyone noticed that both the pilot's and copilot's controls move? Also, take a look at the blades on the tail rotor. They actually change pitch as you move the rudder controls.

Amazing.

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Reply #26 - Apr 14^th, 2003 at 1:29am

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Couldn't agree more Matt. This is without a doubt one of the singularly most detailed models for 2k2! I hope Cyril wins some kind of award for this, its the most talked about heli I've ever seen! People are learning to fly helis just to use this! INCREDIBLE Grin

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Reply #27 - Apr 14^th, 2003 at 8:14am

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How do you add weight to the aircraft?
I ended up slidding onto a runway and got landed on by a big mean 747 Embarrassed

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Reply #28 - Apr 14^th, 2003 at 8:58am

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How do you add weight to the aircraft?
I ended up slidding onto a runway and got landed on by a big mean 747 Embarrassed

Open the Gazelle's aircraft.cfg with notepad.

Go down to the section quoted below and change the values to add the 1,000 lbs as Matt did.

It still slides a little but nowhere near as badly.

[General]
atc_type=Gazelle
performance=Gazelle AS341G by Cyril Pioffet
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max_gross_weight=4969

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// (pounds)
empty_weight=3200

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Reply #29 - Apr 14^th, 2003 at 10:45am

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Downloaded it and it flies great! I flew it around a bit last night. I am not a big Helicopter fan, probably because there are not a lot of great quality models. But I have made an exception for this one.

Question? How come the sounds do not wind down? They seem to spool up, but not wind down. I have noticed this with the default Bell 206. There is only one sound with it. Any suggestions on better sounds?

Anyway, great helo!

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Reply #30 - Apr 14^th, 2003 at 12:31pm

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Codered, have you popped into http://www.simviation.com/fsdsounds.htm near the bottom of the page you'll find an improved FS2000/ Gazelle start up and shut down sounds original designed by Pete Daly (our leader) modified by Jon Devins Sounds supplied and edited by Mike Ellis Original startup/shutdown by Manuel Gonzales.

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Reply #31 - Apr 14^th, 2003 at 7:04pm

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Couldn't agree more Matt. This is without a doubt one of the singularly most detailed models for 2k2! I hope Cyril wins some kind of award for this, its the most talked about heli I've ever seen! People are learning to fly helis just to use this! INCREDIBLE Grin

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I like what someone suggested above. Send it to Microsoft and see if they'll include it in the new ACOF.

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Reply #32 - Apr 14^th, 2003 at 10:41pm

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Wow, Thanks man.
I almost always fly Helos and this one has really raised the bar. Outstanding and thankyou for sharing this hard work.

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