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Apr 1st, 2003 at 3:03pm

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Here is an interesting little article published in Pilot Magazine*, April 2003, regarding strange little aeroplanes, Auto-gyro's....!

(Boeing 777 flight simmers from all around the world shout in unison... "NAH. it's not. It's BORING"..)... Angry...!
...Anyway, here it is, for me and my mate Zorak from Outer Mongolier... Grin

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I wonder if any real-time pilots out there have actually flown one of these amazing little machines?
They are not like helicopters insofar as the main rotor is not driven by the engine in flight. I rotates, and therefore supports the craft, merely by being driven by the airflow over the rotor!
Some nice little examples to try out can be found here...


http://www.simviation.com/fsgliders_6.htm

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*Article courtesy of Pilot Magazine.
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Reply #1 - Apr 1st, 2003 at 3:41pm

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interesting Wink
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 1st, 2003 at 4:41pm

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interesting Wink


Hi Andrew... Grin...!
That reply sounds more like, "..really BORING", rather than "REALLY interesting".....!
LOL...LOL...LOL... Grin...!

Cheers mate... Grin...!
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P.S. anyway, my mate Zorak, from Outer Mongolier, was interested in it anyway, so there... Grin...LOL...!


 
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2003 at 4:48pm

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That reply sounds more like, "..really BORING", rather than "REALLY interesting".....!
LOL...LOL...LOL... Grin...!


It is interesting, I just dunno what to say about it Grin
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 1st, 2003 at 5:00pm

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P.S. anyway, my mate Zorak, from Outer Mongolier, was interested in it anyway, so there... Grin...LOL...!

So where exactly is this Outer Mongolier Fozzer? Was your friend Zorak something to do with ballooning? Oh sorry that was Montgolfier.  Grin

Just to bore you a tad longer, Wing Commander Ken Wallis developed his autogyro at Shoreham when I worked there in the '60s. I remember him struggling to get airborne in the early evening calm when the airport was officially closed. The only method for spinning the main rotor was by hand at the time. He finally solved the problem by using a flexible drive off the engine to power up the rotor until the airflow took over. This was operated via a clutch modified from a standard Sturmey Archer 3-speed unit from a bicycle.

The Wallis Autogyro was later produced by Beagle Aircraft who were based at the airport.  "Pee Wee" Judge, Beagle's chief test pilot, was tragically killed while demonstrating it at the Farnborough Air Show. He offered to do it as a favour as his friend Ken Wallis was too ill to do it himself. As a result it was never a commercial success.  Sad

PS. Ken Wallis later flew a specially modified version of his brainchild as "Little Nellie" in the Bond film.
 
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Reply #6 - Apr 1st, 2003 at 5:35pm

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The Wallis Autogyro was later produced by Beagle Aircraft who were based at the airport.  "Pee Wee" Judge, Beagle's chief test pilot, was tragically killed while demonstrating it at the Farnborough Air Show. He offered to do it as a favour as his friend Ken Wallis was too ill to do it himself. As a result it was never a commercial success.  Sad

PS. Ken Wallis later flew a specially modified version of his brainchild as "Little Nellie" in the Bond film.


There seem to be a few successfull auto-gyro's flying around at the moment so I suppose the designers have sorted out all the problems by now?
Indeed, there may even be some auto-gyro flying clubs around?
I have a feeling that the original 'gyro's had short stubby wings. I am all in favour of "wings". Wings I like...they tend to keep you in the air when all around you goes pear-shaped...unlike helicopters...!
LOL...!
The only thing I found was that they are difficult to slow down when coming in to land, due to the main rotor spinning under it's own momentum, (wether that's anything to do with the air-file or whether they are like that in real life)...?

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Reply #7 - Apr 1st, 2003 at 10:50pm
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Fozzer,

I used to do a bit of yachting (Sailboats for US citizens) and the theory was you should have a boat the same size in feet as your age (grow old comfortably.)

Old blokes like us shouldn't be looking at Toys, get real.
 
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2003 at 1:09am

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I've heard about this Fozzer, and you should know better than to post in the wrong forum!

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PS. I quite like flying Little Nellie is FS2k2, and I believe the characteristics are fairly accurate.
 
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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2003 at 2:20am

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As I understood it at the time, Wallis developed his version from a Benson (Bensen) Gyrocopter kit which he originally built in his garage. http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/benson_b8.htm
He made many modifications to the original design & some were fitted with a fairing like Little Nellie.

It was remarkably stable & I've seen him demontrating it with both hands & feet off the controls during a low -slow fly past, grinning like a Cheshire cat. It could almost hover in anything but a dead calm so something must be wrong with that AIR file on the FS version. Wallis' explanation of the fatal accident was that although his friend "Pee Wee" Judge was a highly experienced & respected fixed wing test pilot his total time on the gyro was limited. His instinctive reactions when in trouble were the reverse of what he was used to. I found this photo of the accident on a Japanese website. It seems clear to me that the rotor somehow hit the vertical tail structure with the obvious result.  Sad

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PS. This is one reason for my dislike of rotorcraft of any description. Too darned dangerous if anything should happen to that rotor. Give me a real aeroplane with wings any time.
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2003 at 6:13am

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http://www.pilotweb.co.uk/news_story.cfm?id=3064

On simviation front page March 01 Wink

 
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Reply #11 - Apr 2nd, 2003 at 6:28am

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Thanks Pete. I stick to the forums & don't visit the main site these days. That's my excuse anyway.
Can you check that link. It doesn't work for me.  ???
 
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Thanks Pete. I stick to the forums & don't visit the main site these days. That's my excuse anyway.
Can you check that link. It doesn't work for me.  ???


Site seems to be down D.. Hagar ...  Grin - but I'm there daily so it'll just be temporary....

You ought to take a look at the main site once in a while - there have been some interesting CFS developments in recent months - & very noticeable how CFS3 may have RE-INSPIRED  interest in CFS1 & even CFS2.... !!! CFS1 has come back to life !!! -

I also noticed it's (the original CFS) back in the shops everywhere I seem to look (Electronics Boutique, Toys R Us, etc)  ... funny thing that ... never seen that with any 'game' before ...... It's an interesting reflection on how eduring the original CFS is! (or just how bad CFS3 is...)

OK - back to the subject  Grin

Anyone who wants a good AutoGyro take a look here ..

http://www.simviation.com/fs2002misc9.htm
 
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Site seems to be down D.. Hagar ...  Grin

You can call me Doug now. I "came out" publicly in another thread.  Wink

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You ought to take a look at the main site once in a while - there have been some interesting CFS developments in recent months - & very noticeable how CFS3 may have RE-INSPIRED  interest in CFS1 & even CFS2.... !!! CFS1 has come back to life !!! -

I also noticed it's (the original CFS) back in the shops everywhere I seem to look (Electronics Boutique, Toys R Us, etc)  ... funny thing that ... never seen that with any 'game' before ...... It's an interesting reflection on how eduring the original CFS is! (or just how bad CFS3 is...)

I don't fly the sims much at all now & will be leaving soon for a long break after some outstanding business is complete. I've been working for the last few months with a talented team on a brand new CFS2 campaign which will hopefully be ready for posting soon. I agree that CFS1 was always a good sim. It will run happily on even low-end systems with no bugs that I can think of. I'm not surprised it's still as popular as ever.  Wink

PS. Back on topic I found this page devoted to the Wallis Autogyro. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/rcy85/webdoc2.htm
Also his home site. http://www.kenwallisautogyro.com/

Here's a photo taken in 2001 of the amazing Ken Wallis still enjoying his little machine some 40 years after those early days at Shoreham. Now aged 85, he has a hangar full of them at his home in Reymerston Hall, Norfolk. This example has no cockpit fairing & is much like the ones I saw him testing.

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Reply #14 - Apr 2nd, 2003 at 12:16pm

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You can call me Doug now. I "came out" publicly in another thread.  Wink

I don't fly the sims much at all now & will be leaving soon for a long break after some outstanding business is complete. I've been working for the last few months with a talented team on a brand new CFS2 campaign which will hopefully be ready for posting soon. I agree that CFS1 was always a good sim. It will run happily on even low-end systems with no bugs that I can think of. I'm not surprised it's still as popular as ever.  Wink

PS. Back on topic I found this page devoted to the Wallis Autogyro. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/rcy85/webdoc2.htm
Also his home site. http://www.kenwallisautogyro.com/

Here's a photo taken in 2001 of the amazing Ken Wallis still enjoying his little machine some 40 years after those early days at Shoreham. Now aged 85, he has a hangar full of them at his home in Reymerston Hall, Norfolk. This example has no cockpit fairing & is much like the ones I saw him testing.

i remember seeing that guy on a discovery channel show, he owns the autogyro "Little Nellie" from the bond movie, and i believe he also flew it during the movie. autogyros are very interesting viechles
 
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