Simviation Forum - Add-On Aircraft Most Wanted

Mar 25^th, 2003 at 9:23pm

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I made this poll so developers (I am one) can get an idea about what aircraft they sould build. I don't know what to make. ???

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Reply #1 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 11:06pm

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Well, as to which plane I'd like to have first....not sure, probably the B-17.

But, here's my (long) wishlist...

B-17
B-18 (Neat early war plane)
B-24
B-29
P-36
P-61
A-20
Hurricane
Ju-87
Me-163
Lancaster

Just for fun...
B-10
Fokker Dr. 1
Sopwith Camel

« Last Edit: Mar 26^th, 2003 at 1:01am by amg1835 »

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Reply #2 - Mar 26^th, 2003 at 2:13am

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STUKA!!!!!! Lips Sealed

sorry i letted myself go

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Reply #3 - Mar 26^th, 2003 at 2:23am

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Oh, yeah...silly me

Roll Eyes

How could I forget the stuka
Also the P-39

There's probably more, but that's all my brain can think of for now...

I know some of the stuff I listed is in development already, but I'm still lookin' forward to 'em.

Thanks to all who are making addons...let's make a good thing better!

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Reply #4 - Mar 26^th, 2003 at 10:23am

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i also like to have the modern bombers for CFS3 like the B-1, 2 and 52! i know, they doesn't fit in the context of the game, but with a full buff, i think i can finally destroy the damn V1 sites!

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Reply #5 - Mar 26^th, 2003 at 4:48pm

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I idealy want a Hampden... Anyone interested?

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Reply #6 - Mar 27^th, 2003 at 2:52am

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i also like to have the modern bombers for CFS3 like the B-1, 2 and 52! i know, they doesn't fit in the context of the game, but with a full buff, i think i can finally destroy the damn V1 sites!

yeah that would be cool

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Reply #7 - Mar 27^th, 2003 at 11:40am

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add on wishlist,

   stuka, b-17, hurricane, maybe some pacific planes , zero, hellcat, bearcat,
earlier models , p-36,
      p-81 would be cool
icould think of more..

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Reply #8 - Mar 27^th, 2003 at 2:42pm

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Glad to see the Huriccane's winning, Id like to see a modern jet (v,v,v,v,v,v,v,v-fast jet 8) 8)) with an Ejector seat Cheesy

and guided weapons Cheesy

. F14, F-15, F-16, F-18, Tornado, Jaguar, Harrier, or a cessna! Maybe these are a little wishful thinking Cry

The B-52's also a good one.
But anything would be great.

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Reply #9 - Mar 27^th, 2003 at 6:47pm

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my vote would deffinatlly go for a stuka, if not that i would go for a b-17 or b-29

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Reply #10 - Mar 29^th, 2003 at 2:38pm

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I'd like to see some early jets from the 40's and 50's.
ie Gloster Meteor, F-86 Saber, F-84 Thunderjet, MiG15, CF-100 Canuck, CF-105 Arrow, and the Avro Vulcan are some early jets I would like to see.
The thing is that CFS3 is gmax compatible so all thoes wonderful gmax aircraft for FS2002 theoretically could be converted into CFS3 format by their designers.

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Reply #11 - Mar 29^th, 2003 at 8:27pm

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The best piston fighter off course....
Martin-Baker MB5

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Reply #12 - Apr 4^th, 2003 at 6:25am

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Definitely a AVRO Lancaster with a dam buster mission with it. After that probably a hurricane.

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Reply #13 - Apr 4^th, 2003 at 10:40pm

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How about:

Gloster Meteor
F-82 Twin Mustang
Bristol Blenheim
Dornier Do-17
Brewster Buffalo

any of these would do nicely...

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Reply #14 - Apr 5^th, 2003 at 5:21am

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my vote would deffinatlly go for a stuka, if not that i would go for a b-17 or b-29

I would go for the stuka aswell, being it in the ground atttack roll, what CFS3 was design for. Grin

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Reply #15 - Apr 5^th, 2003 at 11:29am

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I would love to see a P-39 modeled for CFS3. I think the thrity-nine was a great fighter. Some of the big bombers like the B-17, B-24, B-29, and the Lancaster would be cool. Hey, you know what else would be nice? A P-40! I like that bird, but not as much as the like the thrity-nine.

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Reply #16 - Apr 5^th, 2003 at 1:05pm

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If someone could write a patch that would allow fs2k2 aircraft in cfs3 that would be a bit useful.......

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Reply #17 - Apr 5^th, 2003 at 8:38pm

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For Sock:

Hey Sock, I wanted to say that someone did make a P-40. It is avaible at Sim-Outhouse. I have downloaded it. It is not bad.

For Smoke2much:

What you want would be impossible. First of all, you would need the original .gamx file so you could change it into a .M3D format instead of a .MDL. If you got the original file, you would need to make some changes. You would also have to make .DDS files for the textures and write a .MOS file. The program couldn't get the original file by itseft and I would like to see one that could make a .MOS file without user imput. (Maybe in the year 2020 they will have something.)

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Reply #18 - Apr 6^th, 2003 at 2:33am

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I thought that it probably would be impossible but I know as much about programming as a hungover neanderthal goatherder does...

Thanks for the info anyway.

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Reply #19 - Apr 8^th, 2003 at 8:49pm

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A CAC 15 (Australian variant of Mustang) would be nice

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Reply #20 - Apr 9^th, 2003 at 8:00am

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Would a repaint and a name change work good for your Australian Mustang? You could probably do that yourself. Someone might even be able to make one for you. Ask around.

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Reply #21 - Apr 9^th, 2003 at 9:44am

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Most definitely a Lanc. The Hampden sounds good. We need a lot more RAF aircraft for sure! The idea of a dam busting mission is great! Or night raids over Berlin. The mind boggles.

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Reply #22 - Apr 9^th, 2003 at 12:50pm

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I'm glad I have support for the Hampden. The fact is that if we can have Halifaxes, Stirlings, Lancasters, wellingtons and whitleys then we can have a bomber command campaign!!! Grin

I look forward to it...

Plus the Hampden can be a Torpedo bomber... Replace the B25!

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Reply #23 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 4:50am

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How about a Dakota, then get those infantry models developed too that I've seen posted on various sites, then get an Airborne drop mission into the game. Maybe pre D-Day drops or Arnhem, then you could have a choice of bridges etc. You could escort the transports or fly one.

Whaddya reckon?

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Reply #24 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 3:54pm

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Sounds good and is possible if you don't expect the infantry to do that much.

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Reply #25 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 5:32pm

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I agree with Can_Sapper. That is what I think I will work on in my spare time. I like Nod's idea too.

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Reply #26 - Apr 11^th, 2003 at 4:24am

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The infantry don't need to do anything really other than jump out and float down.

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Reply #27 - Apr 17^th, 2003 at 4:04pm

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I'll have to check out that P-40, thanks for the tip. The 39 and P-40 got me thinking about the lend-lease act, and then basicly about Russian birds. The Yak-9 would be a nice airplane to see for CFS3 or a MIG-1 or even a Polikarpov I-16. Those things had a nice roll rate. And since the game has early jets, like the P-80 and the Me-262, why not a MIG-15 or 17. Hell, while I'm at it why not start the Korean War! We could have F-84 Sabres tangle with MIG-15s! While we are on the Korean War, why not model the airplane designed to tangle with MIGs, the F-104! America's first Mach 2 fighter, the so-called missle with a man in it. I think I may have gone a little over board with my ideas... Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Apr 22^nd, 2003 at 7:32pm

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The b29 would also be nice, but if sum1 made the atomic bomb to go w/it, it would be much better. Grin

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Reply #29 - May 10^th, 2003 at 10:09am

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a P-40N warhawk, early war US colour scheme (1941)
which would have U.S. ARMY on the wing underside.

(before you say it, I am well aware that there are P-40's already, but the nose disappears when you zoom in on it.) so I'd thought a early war USAAC P-40N should be done, my personal favourite. Grin

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Reply #30 - May 10^th, 2003 at 10:54pm

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I'd like to see a few RN & USN aircraft, such as the Seafire, Corsair (RN version) & especially the Sea Fury.

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Reply #31 - Jun 21^st, 2003 at 1:44pm

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I would like to see some transports (DC3, that tri-engine German one, for example), just to use for target practice. Maybe throw in seaplanes in a similar vein.

A U.S. heavy bomber (B-17 or -24) would be great to try out. The Me109K and the Fw109D9 I think are important enough to add.

I also really like the idea of the stuff the Germans were working on at the end of the war but never finished, and I'm glad MS already included a few. The Germans had a 2-engine strategic bomber they developed but gave up on.

Completely fictional planes would be great. How about something like a B-25 or -26 with jet engines?

Maybe even thow in some Korean War era planes (F-86s, Mig-15s).

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Reply #32 - Jun 21^st, 2003 at 2:15pm

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Why not some X planes tlike the Bell X1. It would be neat to break the sound barrier without having your wing fall off. You could drop from a B29 or try it from the ground. (They did that once and were able to reach mach 1). Why not a V1 or V2 to shoot down. There were V1s in CFS1 right? I'd like to try and ram a V2 headed for London or something along that line.

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Reply #33 - Jun 21^st, 2003 at 3:19pm

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For Zulu's idea of all those German aircraft that never were to be, if you don't all ready know about it, check out http://www.luft46.com. ; Great artwork and even specs for some of them. If you look for it, there's a plane called the Hs P.75, that would be nice. But I would imagine that most designers know about that site.

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Reply #34 - Jun 21^st, 2003 at 4:49pm

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I'm sure that there was an airplane that looked just like the P 75 in Crison Skies. I wonder why? ???

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Reply #35 - Jun 21^st, 2003 at 9:19pm

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What, no Japanese aircraft?? How about a N1K1-Ja, a Ki-100, a Ki-84 or even a Ki-45. Lets not forget the war in the Pacific!!

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Reply #36 - Jun 22^nd, 2003 at 1:20pm

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There was a Hs P.75 in Crimson Skies, I think they called it a bloodhawk...They also used another late war German design. The Blohm & Voss BV P.170, a fighter-bomber design, the one that had the three engines and the cockpit and horizontal stapilizers in the rear. Interesting plane, you can read about it at, http://www.luft46.com/bv/bvp170.html.

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Reply #37 - Jun 24^th, 2003 at 4:13am

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Darcy, if you download the mission builder from the MS site you can build missions with V1's and then chase them and shoot them down. Only problem is they don't fly like the real ones, they are too slow.

Having said that, there is a full set of missions with revamped V1's posted on the CFS3 section of this site. So you could always download that.

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Reply #38 - Jun 24^th, 2003 at 2:19pm

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COOL! 8)
I will have to try that out.
Thanks

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Reply #39 - Jun 27^th, 2003 at 1:24am

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anyone for a HE111

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Reply #40 - Jun 27^th, 2003 at 3:27am

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Please guys...we need some WW1 aircraft

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Reply #41 - Jul 16^th, 2003 at 1:25pm

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Well i think that we should have more planes of the type that did not make it to the war in time (if anyone needs ideas/drawings check out luft46.com)

Would love to see a good meteor or maybe a focke-Wulf Ta 183

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Reply #42 - Jul 19^th, 2003 at 12:15pm

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Reply #43 - Jul 19^th, 2003 at 12:27pm

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Hurricane IIC. I hate not having cannons! Grin

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Reply #44 - Jul 19^th, 2003 at 7:35pm

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What is really needed is a top-rate German fighter, something that can handle the Spitfire of P-55. Those planes just totally out-class that Bf-109 and Fw-190. I think a Ta-152 would be good.

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Reply #45 - Jul 21^st, 2003 at 10:56pm

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Hurricane
Lancaster Bomber
B-24!!!!!!!!!!!

geez there all #1 with me

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Reply #46 - Jul 24^th, 2003 at 12:52pm

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I voted for the B-17 first but the Ju-87 would be second. However since this is like asking what one would do if winning the lotto, here is my bigger wish list. UK, US and even the Graf Zeppelin aircraft carriers with all the right planes to operate off them. Plus, better and more targets at sea. How about the Tirpitz in Norway, The Scharnhorst in Brest, KGV, Warspite, Ark Royal etc in Scapa. Thanks to Ground Crew for the Koln and T-boats. Can't wait for more ships to target. Thankfully the A-26 has brought a 2-torpedo load-out for the allies. Now, we need ship targets that will require 2 hits to go down. We all know our wingmen never can figure out we want them to hit the cruiser.
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Reply #47 - Jul 30^th, 2003 at 12:21am

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Heinkel 111, Ju-87b, Dornier 17... these things i crave.

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Reply #48 - Aug 1^st, 2003 at 11:10pm

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heres myWish List of addon aircraft.

Vickers Wellington
Supermarine Spiteful
Short Stirling
Fairey Swordfish
DeHavilland Tigermoth
Fiesler 156C Storch
Heinkel 111
Heinkel 177
JU 87 Stuka (with diving scream noise)
ME 163 Komet
ME 323
Macchi C.202
Reggiane 2001
IL 2 Stormovick
TB-7
C-47
Lagg-3
Yak-9
PE-2
P-39
B-29
Stearman
Vultee Vengance
Consolodated PBY Catalina
Lockheed Hudson
Piper L-4 Grasshopper
And last but not least a Henschel 129B.

I don't think that is to much to ask for.

Please let us all know when you get them done next week!

Seriously, thank you who make aircraft addons for this sim.

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Reply #49 - Aug 2^nd, 2003 at 1:50am

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i'm a 3d modeller and would like to make a few extra planes for CFS3, but have no idea how to export models from 3ds max 4 to CFS3...

is there a SDK or similar i need to do it? is there anywhere on the web that will give me all the info i need at one site?

also, what is the typical number of polygons allowed for a CFS3 aircraft?

(sorry if this has all been answered elsewhere in this forum)

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Reply #50 - Aug 2^nd, 2003 at 2:49am

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Hey there clivewil, glad to hear that you're working on some addons! Just out of curiosity, what are you working on? Wink

Anyway, the SDK is available at http://microsoftgamesinsider.com/CFSInsider/default.htm
I believe it comes with gmax (with cfs3 gamepack) in order to export. Not sure if you can take a 3dsmax file and put it in gmax though... ???

As for the rest, I'd say check www.simouthouse.com but some #$(@ hackers brought it down. Should be up sometime within the week though. The outhouse is IMO the best cfs3 forum on the net.
Anyway good luck, and keep us posted!

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Reply #51 - Aug 2^nd, 2003 at 4:07am

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i'm a 3d modeller and would like to make a few extra planes for CFS3, but have no idea how to export models from 3ds max 4 to CFS3...

is there a SDK or similar i need to do it? is there anywhere on the web that will give me all the info i need at one site?

also, what is the typical number of polygons allowed for a CFS3 aircraft?

(sorry if this has all been answered elsewhere in this forum)

As amg1835 suggests get the aircraft & vehicle SDK at http://microsoftgamesinsider.com/CFSInsider/default.htm?nc=1

Get Gmax at http://www.discreet.com/products/gmax/

And yes, you can export 3dsmax4.2 scenes in 3ds format
to Gmax as it comes with native 3ds, PRJ and DXF import

The SDK suggests 7000 poligons for the LOD_100 model, but you can go way above that.
The average faces count on any addond I have used so far is around 24000 faces in the master model and they all work fine without noticeable fps drops.
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Reply #52 - Aug 2^nd, 2003 at 5:11am

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thanks for the replies, i'm downloading the sdk as i type. i'll then grab gmax, but first i want to make sure i can't export it straight from max4 - gmax looks very cut-down and i work in max4 day in day out so there's no learning curve... Wink

i'd like to get together the aircraft from the BoB era, so i can pot a few heinkels and dorniers, and throw a stuka party or two

my workload's pretty heavy at the moment, but hopefully i can make a few of these before CFS4 is out...

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Reply #53 - Aug 2^nd, 2003 at 6:55am

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Yup, no NURBS and the like in Gmax and currently no way to import straight away from Max to CFS3.
however, porting over to Gmax works ok except names cannot be longer than 8 characters due to 3ds format limitations, materials need redo in the editor, and smoothing groups will be reset to whatever angle you define in the import window. Texture mappings and animations remain intact though.

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Reply #54 - Aug 3^rd, 2003 at 8:16pm

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B-17 I was MAD AS HELL when I found out M$ was not gonna put a B-17 or lanc in the game Angry

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Reply #55 - Aug 3^rd, 2003 at 8:26pm

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but with a full buff, i think i can finally destroy the damn V1 sites!

The V-1 sites are virtually impossible to hit! But I think it will spoil the game if we stard putting modern jets in it Undecided

jets really spoiled CFS2 multiplayer (I can't stand restricted because I can't fly the P-39 and there is always an idiot in an F-22 in my multiplayer games)

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Reply #56 - Aug 4^th, 2003 at 9:38am

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Piper Warrior II, there is a B-17 for download on AvHistory (http://www.avhistory.org).

Go to http://www.herbieg.homestead.com/Main.html for more information.

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Reply #57 - Aug 4^th, 2003 at 1:54pm

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to mathias. mathias,you cant cheat in cfs3 multiplayer! it is impossible to get an addon plane in the room unless the host has the same plane(s). Tongue

these are some planes would prefer:
F15
F16
F18
F16
B1 Lancer
or any modern jet Grin

many thanks for any designer who would appeal to these request Grin

thx

,

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Reply #58 - Aug 4^th, 2003 at 4:09pm

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Sirripper is making a B-52G. Here's a link to his post:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=cfs3;action=display;num=10...

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Reply #59 - Aug 4^th, 2003 at 5:26pm

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to mathias. mathias,you cant cheat in cfs3 multiplayer! it is impossible to get an addon plane in the room unless the host has the same plane(s). Tongue

That tells me what?
Not shure why you´re adressing this to me.
You can´t cheat, that´s right, but you can fly aircraft with inaccurate flightmodels, as long as everbody has the same installed.

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Reply #60 - Aug 4^th, 2003 at 5:39pm

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i'm a 3d modeller and would like to make a few extra planes for CFS3, but have no idea how to export models from 3ds max 4 to CFS3...

is there a SDK or similar i need to do it? is there anywhere on the web that will give me all the info i need at one site?

also, what is the typical number of polygons allowed for a CFS3 aircraft?

(sorry if this has all been answered elsewhere in this forum)

lots of good stuff at www.avhistory.org too

Later!

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Reply #61 - Aug 7^th, 2003 at 9:30pm

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YAYYYYYY! A B-17!!!! I'm still against modern jets Angry

But if you want to defeat the realisim be my guest! Grin

P.S. I'm still PISSED at M$ for not putting a B-17 or Lanc in CFS3 I mean, How STUPID can you get?!? It's like Falcon 4.0 without an F-16!

AMD Athlon 64 3700+&&GeForce FX5200 256Mb&&1GB DDR400 DC&&Seagate 500Gb SATA-300 HDD&&Windows XP Professional X64 Edition&&&&That's right, I'm now using an AMD! I decided to give them another try and they kicked the pants off of my P4 3.4!

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Reply #62 - Aug 8^th, 2003 at 12:14am

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hi again people

i've grabbed gmax and resigned myself to the fact that i have to do at least some of my work in it instead of all in max4 (having bought and paid for my rolls-royce, i resent having to drive the volkswagen) but am having trouble locating the "gamepak" for cfs 3 - varying info from the 'net includes:
1.) it's included with gmax (not in mine, its not)
2.) it's on the cfs3 cd's (not on mine, its not)
3.) you use the fs2002 gamepak (recipe for disaster, or at least a stonking good headache?)

any of you guys know for sure which is the real deal?

thanks for any help you can give and please bear with me, i'm a 3d modeller by occupation but this is the first time i've tried developing a model for a flight-sim

AirBrat: no Dr1. or camel (yet) but i have an eindekker and a fokker d-vii around somewhere that i could de-mothball at a later date (but i want to do the BoB aircraft first)

as far as fast jets in cfs3 is concerned, i reckon being shot down in multiplayer by some clown in an f-18 would cheese me off considerably, but i reckon i could out-turn almost any missile in a spit ix...

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Reply #63 - Aug 8^th, 2003 at 12:54am

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The CFS3 gamepack is a separate download available at
http://microsoftgamesinsider.com/CFSInsider/default.htm?nc=1
and is listening to the name "aircraft and Vehicle SDK" Wink

Mathias&&

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Reply #64 - Aug 8^th, 2003 at 2:05am

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eesh. i've had that file for over a week. Embarrassed

i was looking for "gamepak" which is what everyone else seems to be calling it. *sigh*

thanks Mathias, for your speedy reply

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