Simviation Forum - Another Friendly Fire Accident

Mar 25^th, 2003 at 4:38pm

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Two British tanks have fired upon each other and 2 British soldiers are dead...a true tragedy... Sad

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Reply #1 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 5:01pm

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how the hell do two tanks from the same country shoot each other. its bad enough when its two tanks from the same side but from the same country, this is getting out of hand, add to the F-16 almost shot down by another patriot missile luckily this F16 fired first.

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Reply #2 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 5:03pm

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Sorry...only one tank shot i guess...i haven't heard about this F-16 accident?

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Reply #3 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 5:05pm

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how the hell do two tanks from the same country shoot each other. its bad enough when its two tanks from the same side but from the same country, this is getting out of hand, add to the F-16 almost shot down by another patriot missile luckily this F16 fired first.

As for the 2 tanks, theres a bad sandstorm in that area

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Reply #4 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 5:10pm

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ok fair point. but still radio contact should have sorted that. is there no form of electronic ID in place??
and for the F-16 it was almost the same as the tornado, it was flying back from a mission when it was locked on by a patriot missile radar, the pilot noticed this in time and was able to fire off a HARM before the patriot could fire at him, no one was hurt and the problem was averted

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Reply #5 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 5:13pm

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Erm..wouldn't the HARM take out the Patriot?

(to clarify..only one tank shot)

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Reply #6 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 5:20pm

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It was an ALARM missile, not a HARM.
Haven't heard about the tank incident, but we have to accept that there is no perfect system, and mistakes do happen. This is war not chess!
I'm having my suspicions about the Patriots IFF system though, I mean 2 aircraft in 3 days its had a crack at.... Ah well at least nobody got hurt in the F16 incident, which is a blessing.

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Reply #7 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 8:29pm

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I heard that the F-16 incident was when the F-16 was returning to Kuwait and saw a missle battery in southern Iraq, and fired on it, he had mistaken it for an Iraqi SAM site. Also Patriots dont have an IFF, only a receiver and identifier to identify aircraft, they don't transmit.

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Reply #8 - Mar 25^th, 2003 at 11:54pm

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We do need to be a little careful ............apparently, as the last thread of this type was branded as "American Bashing" and locked.

Beside the point though.

Try something in CFS2. Turn of all the aircraft ID tags and your "radar" window, during a melee, and see how difficult it is to figure out who's who.

I know that there are many advanced methods bt which items are targetted or "acquired", but a small malfunction in any part could account for any of these incidents. Of course there is the old fashioned "human error" factor too.
Remebering none of these pilots or missile crews see anything of the target except what's ona screen.
It would be pretty difficult if you had even a small fault of some kind.

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