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Mar 24th, 2003 at 4:49pm
Jezz   Guest

 
Just a quick question about fuel calculations on FS.

Please can someone give me advice on how much fuel I shoudl load into my aircraft before a flight.

Generally, I create a flight using he Flight Planner and then get an indication of the fuel required from the Nav Log. (Then add a bit more for taxiing, holding etc.)

I'm sure this is not the correct way of going about things. I often find that I'm running low on fuel beofre I get to my destination and hence unrealistically having to "top up" the tanks from the fuel menu in order to complete the flight!!

Any advice would be great!!
 
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Reply #1 - Mar 24th, 2003 at 5:30pm

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Jezz, the technique you are talking about should work just fine.
What kind of planes are you flying? With props you need to adjust the fuel flow and prop(s), and this is the most common cause of this problem.

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Reply #2 - Mar 24th, 2003 at 6:13pm

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To conserve fuel, don't fly with throttles at 100% Wink
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 2:32am

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chances are, like stated above, you are pushing faster than the planner allows and burning too much fuel.
not knowing what aircraft you are flying your altitude will have something to do with it as well, along with how fast you climb and such.  Might I suggest that you make note of how much you the planner reccomends, and then how much you have to add. this will give you a percentage to add to the planners solution so that you can fly your "style" in relative saftey
 

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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 3:10am

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If you have a look at the planner it will tell you you will
be travelling at max. cruise at all times and altitudes-
mine does anyway! Not realistic. Once you have worked out all your prop settings etc as suggested before add in weather and all other sundries(like 3 goarounds) add 20%. Basically,get a feel for what your flying and what it needs,monitor your flight all the way and  you'll develop a quick sense of whats required. Same as your letdowns,
once you're in the groove you'll nail it by instinct. To do
that, get out and fly the wings of it. Look and learn what the gauges are telling you and build hours.
 

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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 8:46am

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People tend to get used to using auto mixture, and then when they pump up their realism settings to full they end up sapping power by running full rich and full throttle at higher altitudes.  Make sure you lean out your mixture for cruise, it lowers fuel cons and actually raises performance . . . listen to your engine for optimum setting . . .

And hey, keep things as real as they get by never topping off in the air.  If you get low, you better find a suitable airport with a fueling station before you continue your trip . . .
 

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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 1:12pm

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This might honestly be the only stupid question ever asked, but:

Fueling station? ???  Is there a way I can taxi my aircraft up to a certain place on the tarmac and get someone to "fill 'er up"? Wink  Or do you just mean using the fuel pull-down?
 

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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 1:21pm

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The yellow squares at airports are what they are talking about, pull into one of those, turn off your engines and after up to a minute you should be refueled! Hope that helps
 

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Reply #8 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 1:24pm

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Oh my God! Cheesy

Where does it say this in the FS software?!  I'll have to take a look at that.  I never really payed attention to the yellow squares, thinking they might have something to do with helos, which I almost never fly.

Thanx for the info!  I'm off to run my tanks dry right now!
 

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Reply #9 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 6:21pm

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WOW! I never knew that either. I always just land my helos there and for the most part ignore them when i'm flying anything else. I;ve gotta give it a go Smiley
 

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Reply #10 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 6:51pm
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It is probably true that a lot of folks don't know about the yellow squares.  I've been flying FS off and on since version 1 (yep! Still got the old manuals).  Somewhere along the way, they introduced this feature and made a big fuss.  But, since FS 98, I think, it has pretty much been taken for granted in the manuals etc and probably lots of folks who got into FS since then just ignored the yellow squares. 

HOWEVER this is one of my pet peeves:  they've never really done much with this feature.  When you sit there, after a few seconds, you're instantly full!  If you don't want all that fuel, you need to go into the Airplane menu and adjust. Thus, there is little point in going to the yellow squares, since you have to do it manually anyway.  I'd like to be able to specify how much full I want to take on.   Ah well...
 
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Reply #11 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 6:59pm

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You don't need to shut your engines off, I find setting my parking brakes does it
 
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Reply #12 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 7:02pm

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lol, never tried that Grin
 
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Reply #13 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 7:06pm
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lol.  The ever-clever Tipster just invented Drive-thru fueling.  Watch out McDonalds!
 
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Reply #14 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 8:48pm
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???  Is there an easy way to find the refueling squares without driving all over the airport?
 
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Reply #15 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 10:22pm

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You could open a new window with top down view in it and then zoom out until you can see the box, the taxi to it.

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Reply #16 - Mar 25th, 2003 at 10:41pm

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Or do some barnstorming  Grin
 

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Reply #17 - Mar 26th, 2003 at 12:15am

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Most of the time you can see them on approach at about the same time you're deciding to land short or long depending on the airport configuration. I'm talking turboprops here so the question is:do they accommodate 747's?
 

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Reply #18 - Mar 26th, 2003 at 6:41am

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Okay I used the drive thru approach and it still filled it 100% Hey,I'm not worried I've got the load set at 60% anyway. Interesting excersize anyway and no the last landing I did ENSN I did not see the square until I turned on the Taxiway.
 

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Reply #19 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 3:54am

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GrinWhat's to be sorry about that was fun cos I'd never actually used the thing to refuel. All my flight calc's are fuel adjusted manually.  Like I said that was fun! Easy pleased some of us!
 

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Reply #20 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 2:06pm

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I've got a point about those boxes as well.  Not only does it fuel you, but it repairs your AC also.  If you damage, let's say your prop, but are still able to make it to a box, it will repair the damage and you fly just like new.  for example, I botched a landing the other day in a Beech 1900D (US Air) struck my left wing and that prop stopped. I was able to limp it off the runway, saw the box and got it there quickly, I attempted again (did this on taxi to no avail) to start my left engine, and this time it worked. so they fill you up and repair damage. Just thought I'd add that in.  happy flying `Brent
 
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Reply #21 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 5:35pm
J G Parker   Guest

 
And new to me too!  What the world needs is a scenery add  on that is a fuel truck that asks you how much fuel to take on.  Surprised nobody has made one yet.  I use pushback by FSAssist (I think) and they have a little guy (Andy) who comes out and pushes you back while chatting with you.  Its a gimmick, but good fun.  I want a fuel truck guy (Larry?)

Where does one get the Beech 1900 btw?
 
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Reply #22 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 8:59pm

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If you (you=someone who knows a bit about CS) knew what line of code the 'yellow box' was couldnt you change it to just make the fuel selection screen popup when parked in the box?
 

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Reply #23 - Mar 28th, 2003 at 9:39am
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that would make me a very happy camper!
 
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