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Reply #15 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 11:06am
Oso   Ex Member

 
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shall we say, "cultivated" southerners really worry about it much (no offense to Oso or anybody ).  If it's said in good cheer, I'll gladly wear it.....  


I am not necessarily an uncultivated Southerner, depends upon who you ask.  Wink Normally I do not take offense at the term "Yank". I understand it for what it is. The key is in the line "If it is in good cheer". And most other Americans see it this way.

If you will notice that my comment about it was followed by a smilie that had a wink or something like that.

I for one do not care to have war talk excluded - freedom of speech is what I am all about. However, with that freedom comes the responsibility to know when to keep your mouth shut when your insensative comments might offend a friend. Kinda makes 'em think that they are not welcome nor a friend.

Now I know that I have not been onboard here very long and few of you know me. I am aware that few of you could care less whether I stay or go. I would like to stay. Stay for the whole site - not just a few to avoid the forums that talk politics.

But I will not stand idly by while people badmouth my country. There is a fine line between healthy critisism and outright hostility.

Case in point? Read the thread about the American friendly fire that killed the two Brits. And then read the thread about the Brit friendly fire incedent. If you are open minded you will see my point. The same people that were so outraged about the American incedent were conciliatory about their own troops mistakes. And that is exactly what it was in BOTH cases - mistakes and accidents - that was all it was. And every country can make them. American Grunts are no more trigger happy killers than Brits are.

Ah, to hell with it. I am tired of argueing and trying to get people to be civil with each other and apply the same standards to others that they apply to themselves.



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Reply #16 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 2:36pm

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Hi Oso, good to see you. I hope you got my email. I have to agree there seems to be a bit of hypocrasy going on, but that is life unfortunately.
I'm in favour of loosing the war talk, especially after what happened in the Tornado thread, inspite of what I wrote. This is war, accidents happen. Heck people die in training accidents every year! I've been to two funerals of that nature.
I think we should steer clear of the war, and find some happy flying things to chat about. Failing that rude jokes about bodily functions are always good for a laugh.

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Reply #17 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 7:29pm

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The slogan went like this:

Q.  "What's wrong with the Yanks?"

A.  "They're OVER paid, OVER sexed and OVER 'ere!"
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if i remember correctly there was a second part, a "yank" response Wink
 

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Reply #18 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 8:38pm

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I actually didn't realize "septic" was in wide use Embarrassed Grin -- Just checked my trusty "Partridge" and learned that the term became very wide-spread when yanks on R & R leave from the Vietnam War "invaded" your country Grin.


Quite right, Doug.

It's just the less "affectionate" term, used when upset, angry or such. But again, there is no real "ill feeling" involved.

Our culture, unique as it is, has been, and continues to be very heavily in fluenced by the U.S., especially by way of TV and movies. For the young particularly, "so called" music and the rap culture (ie graffiti, rap music and dress) have been a heavy influence on our kids since the early '80's.

It has upset, and at times, angered more traditional Australians to see there kids trying to speak like an African American or Cayjun. Also the attempts at the bodily actions of same can sometimes be less than pathetic.............lol Grin

I actually heard my Stepson (thank God, not MY son) say one day "I really wish I was black".
I tried to sit him down and explain what it meant to be black in some parts of the US. But that made no difference. He was interested more in impressing his mates an girls, who seemed to see everything in African American culture as "COOL" or "BAD".

I am digressing quite aways but anyway, this is the sort of situation in which an Aussie might say something like "Don't go on with that Septic crap around here"

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Reply #19 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 8:51pm

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Oso,

For my part, if any, in being insensitive in the thread you mention, I apologize, and regret any insensitivity that may have been evident.

The "Grunt" comment was mine. I don't think I dealt with either incident with a double standard. Neither involved my countrymen, but easily could have, on either end of such a mistake.

I have read again, as you suggested, and I do see where one incident seems to have incited criticism and the other, understanding.
I would like to think that it had more to do with the fact that the thread had spanned a period of time that reflected a change in general attitude. I'm sure our Pommy friends didn't mean to "point the bone" at the US services and not their own.

But for the sake of all, especially myself and yourself, I would hate to see someone leave the forums under any kind of controversial circumstance, unless they were the deserved one. You are not.

I am sorry for my part.  Lips Sealed

 

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Reply #20 - Mar 27th, 2003 at 11:48pm
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Thank you Bren.  Grin

My respect for you just took a very great leap upward - not that it was low to begin with.

I do not expect to be treated with kid gloves - just to be treated like everyone else is all I want - to be part of a flight sim community. To hell with politics. I get enough of it everywhere else. It seems Americans are catching quite a lot of flak from all directions nowadays, even from other Americans, and it wears thin.

BTW I hope that none of you think that all Americans are into the "Hip Hop" culture. I know the media tries to make one think that we all are - but it is far from the truth. The media can paint a pretty ugly picture sometimes.
 
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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2003 at 8:03am

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Thank you Bren.  Grin

BTW I hope that none of you think that all Americans are into the "Hip Hop" culture. I know the media tries to make one think that we all are - but it is far from the truth. The media can paint a pretty ugly picture sometimes.


Thanks, Mate.

No, I don't for a moment think that most people in Western Nations, at least, are, or live any differently than I do. (except the odd emu attack while on the dunny!).

The references I made with regard to the "American influende" has really been going on since the War (WWII). But it does seem to have gotten a bit out of hand in the last 10-15 years.
I've seen movies and TV shows where, as part of the plot, there is one or more white blokes attempting to behave in that distinctly "black manner" (no offence intended, just a particular way, that we are all familiar with) and when white Americans try it on, it's ridiculous, so you can imagine white Aussies (or even worse Aboriginals) fancying themselves as "BAD".

Imagine the comical content of Richard Prior and Gene Wilder in "Stir Crazy" coupled with true national embarrassment.  Grin
 

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Reply #22 - Mar 28th, 2003 at 8:29am

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Oso said, Quote:
Now I know that I have not been onboard here very long and few of you know me. I am aware that few of you could care less whether I stay or go. I would like to stay. Stay for the whole site - not just a few to avoid the forums that talk politics.

But I will not stand idly by while people badmouth my country. There is a fine line between healthy critisism and outright hostility.

If you'll.... er.... bear with us, I think you'll agree that these forum members are usually the most tolerant and understanding folks on the internet Wink.
 

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