for FLUCKS sake going to war alongside america is more dangerouse than going to war with america!
what the hell did they think they were shooting at?
also annother triggerhappy american has just attacked a group of US marines, and it looks like the missing news crew was, you guessed it, attacked by more triggerhappy marines

How far off did they say those "extra smart" munitions were.
The ones that determine enemy from friend. Unlike your "extra dumb" grunt.

A little more research in this area please!!

Its not that I want to have a go at the yanks but whats the use in technology if you don't know how to use it?
Having technology that is capable of such destruction and not knowing how to use it is playing with fire and eventually someones will get burned

I think what it boils down to is that we need more  intelligence, communication, cooperation, etc, shared\between our two militaries. I'm not saying we don't have that, but we just need to improve

And like Ken, i'm gonna keep my opinions to myself

I recall that more American soldiers died in the Civil War than the total of all other conflicts since. ie. Mexican, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf and probably a few small ones I don't know about.

It would seem you don't need technology or weapons of mass destruction to wipe people out in droves!

P.S. I doubt anyone is actually "having a go" at the forces in the M.E. It's a matter of frustration. It needs to be vented. After all aren't we talking about venting by way of protest, and most are agreeing that it's a right.

Don't deny ourselves a harmless outlet while we make excuses for those who may not be so harmless. We have as much right to vent as the protesters do.

All we have to do is show them our strength, unity and friendship by not allowing it to become personal, and minding each others feelings.

In closing, there will always be mistakes wherever there are humans. But we are allowed to be upset about it and talk about it, without "pointing the bone".

Yes they do, look here. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/air-force-equipment.htm

Um before the war half were operational, most likely 3/4 of that half capable of combat ops. Now, well I don't think the Iraqi airforce will exist except for a few burning hulks within the next few days.  

During the 1996 European cup quarter final football match between England and Germany the number of fans in wembley stadium was approximately equal to numbers lost by both sides on the 1st June 1916.

The interesting thing about the battle of the Somme was that it ultimately won the first world war for the allies.  It is not a popular theory but runs something like this:-

The british attacked in 1916 with a poorly trained and untried army, the Kitchener Battalions.  The defending German troops were good experienced troops.  British loses throughout the campaign(battle) were high but the german loses were higher.  WW1 was fought on the pronciple of attrition.  The actual ground won or lost in any given advance was not important.  The number of enemy troops lost was the deciding factor in success or failure.  This is similar to american tactics/strategy in Vietnam.

By March 21st 1918 when the Kaiserschlact offensive was launched by the Germans they were forced to attack with the only good troops they had, by this time what was left of the British Army was battle hardened by 2 years of continuous offensive operations.  Combat is often said to be a darwinian process, the best survive the worst do not. 

When Kaiserschlact ground to a halt in April of 1918 the counter attack was devestating and virtually all of the German Sturmtruppen were wiped out.

Added to the US army that was now in position and attacking, the Germans never really stood a chance after their best troops had been lost on the Somme and at Verdun, killed by, in the case of the British at least, initially third rate troops.

Whilst this proved to be a war winning tactic it was understandably not popular and the regular soldiers never forgave high command for their decision to adopt it.

Please note that there may be innacuracies in dates and spelling.  I'm at work right now.  The basic pronciples in my opinion are however correct.

Will

Yes, I took offense as well.

In these times when something is coming at you - it is coming so fast that you do not have more than a split second to respond. Mistakes are to be made.

And not all of us are "Yanks"! I am from the South and resent the tag.

Anyway - doesn't that make us about even for the Marines that were taken out by a Brit helicopter? How quickly we forget, eh?

Your right on that one. I think the media would be happy only when they have every country in the world at odds with each other.

Yes, Oso is Spanish for bear. Kinda what I look like. At least that is what the ladies at the office call me - a big teddy bear. 

6 foot, 280 lbs, beer barrel chest and beer barrel stomach, full beard and furry ears

funny thing is - I don't drink beer.

This is what I really look like - -

nice pics oso, you for one look better post Jackson treatment.

Will

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I knew that. We had some friends who named their dog 'Oso'

This thread is upsetting too many people, I just started it as a bit of news, and stated that I didn't want anyone criticising our American cousins, so I'm locking it down.

Ozzy