Simviation Forum - Re: Guess what just turned up at FSPLANET

Mar 7^th, 2003 at 7:06pm

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Cool, the previous thread started to have problems so i'm glad there's a new one

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Reply #1 - Mar 7^th, 2003 at 9:06pm

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As BEERY said in the previous topic:
"Freeware should be free. Copyright restricts freedom, so I'm against it. I urge all add-on creators NOT to restrict use of their files. The fact that we create something doesn't mean it can't be improved upon by others. If we allow others to freely use our work as a base, we will create a thriving community of add-on authors, and we'll get the best quality work as a result. If we don't make our work freely available, we create a community where progress is stifled. I would prefer not to be a part of a community in which my most mediocre efforts would be protected and their use enforced."

The real issue that everyon has with this site is that BOTH the Webmaster and more particularly his Host www.mondalori.com both freely advertise and SELL (for $) your hard work in creating freeware add-ons for the FS community on CDROM.
This is the core of the whole issue and WHY you should put disclaimers in your readme files.
Now Ferdy does NOT put this on his site anymore , BUT the host certainly DO. THEY are the ONES making money out of OUR hard work and GENEROSITY of making freeware files available from sites such as www.simviation.com etc.
Beery, this IS the breach of copyright. It is also theft to knowingly take a file (or anyother object etc), without the owners knowledge or permission.
You could therefore extrapolate that if you download from FSplanet you are most likely in the receipt of stolen goods; of which this is also a criminal offence in Australia (i have no idea as to other countries).

Beery, please don't think that one is berating you etc, far from it. I for one am certainly glad that you have expressed a quite good opinion.

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Reply #2 - Mar 7^th, 2003 at 10:06pm

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Thought this might give you a chuckle. It's Ferdy's signature in an e-mail he sent in the last few hours (not to me):

Ferdy Serena
Executive Director of FSPLANET.COM
Microsoft's Beta Tester

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ferdy@fsplanet.com
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Bet they didn't know he was their beta-tester!

Microsoft prohibit you from declaring yourself as a beta-tester when you're testing one of their products by the way. So he's either ignoring their licence as well, or more likely lying.

I think more than likely he is lying, but a little email to Microsoft should get him going.

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Reply #3 - Mar 7^th, 2003 at 11:37pm

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Thought this might give you a chuckle. It's Ferdy's signature in an e-mail he sent in the last few hours (not to me):

Ferdy Serena
Executive Director of FSPLANET.COM
Microsoft's Beta Tester

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ferdy@fsplanet.com
Valencia-SPAIN

Bet they didn't know he was their beta-tester!

Microsoft prohibit you from declaring yourself as a beta-tester when you're testing one of their products by the way. So he's either ignoring their licence as well, or more likely lying.

yah i bet that is a big load of bogus, i highly doubt he is, and even if he was, i believe microsoft asks them to keep that sort of stuff on the D.L.

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Reply #4 - Mar 8^th, 2003 at 12:18am

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I think he's lying. Why someone would want to lie about that, who knows Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - Mar 8^th, 2003 at 1:05am

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I think he's lying. Why someone would want to lie about that, who knows Roll Eyes

no idea, ego maybe Roll Eyes

and this guy is an adult? Undecided

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Reply #6 - Mar 8^th, 2003 at 1:15am

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sure isn't acting like an adult

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Reply #7 - Mar 8^th, 2003 at 1:31am

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sorry i had to: http://membres.lycos.fr/fsplanetforum/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=796&...; Grin

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Reply #8 - Mar 8^th, 2003 at 1:45am

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Are you going to make any posts under that name? Grin

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Reply #9 - Mar 8^th, 2003 at 11:36am

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ahh crap, i was hoping it would stay a little longer so some others could see it, it was pretty funny Grin

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Reply #10 - Mar 8^th, 2003 at 12:26pm

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It's almost like his forum is comunistic, because if you post something he doesn't like he deletes it and you

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Reply #11 - Mar 8^th, 2003 at 3:04pm

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It's almost like his forum is comunistic, because if you post something he doesn't like he deletes it and you

yah i was part of the forum a long time ago and use to post there until i my ip was blocked, i think it was for posting a link to my old site (FSOnline)

that is why i put as the flag the USSR for the little joke membership Wink

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Reply #12 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 12:14am

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You know, you would be suprised what the media will pick up anymore. It would be really stupid of them to renew the contract. Especially if the media takes it up.

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Reply #13 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 12:22am

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Hmmm, that gives me an idea, Tipster, maybe you can email a few news agencies to take it up, maybe a few news papers, maybe BBC Wink

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Reply #14 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 2:05am

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I've e-mailed "Watchdog" at the BBC (an investigative consumer affairs programme) and a national newspaper.

Flight Simulation is something of a minority interest, but I suppose that this particular issue comes under the wider general topic heading of piracy.

Whether or not they consider it worth persuing is doubtful in my opinion, but you never know your luck in a raffle.

they will save it for a slow news day, let me know if they respond, i do have sattelite with bbc Wink

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Reply #15 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 2:22am

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yes, do let us know, i can usually listen to BBC around 0800 GMT Wink

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Reply #16 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 2:34am

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but wouldn't radio be better? A lot more people listen to BBC on radio around the world then BBC television, i mean, we need all those people in 3rd world countries to know Cheesy

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Reply #17 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 3:04am

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lol, i can almost see it, "Mr. Serena & Mr. Hussein - who's the greater danger?"

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Reply #18 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 7:36am

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Tipster can yuo give us a quick summary of your problem? I've had a quick look at the other posts but there's so many I don't have time to read them all. Cheers,
Ian

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Reply #19 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 4:25pm

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Watchdog won't do anyhing (except maybe mention it from "the desk") because no money is invovled.

You should be very careful with the advertisers though, because if he has good lawyers, its possible that you will (unjustly) go down for defraud.

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Reply #20 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 8:58pm

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At worst it would probably be called slander-not an informed legal opinion though.
My feeling is that alot of us have dogs and snailmail of dog-poop to their corp. offices might be a nice touch.
Just to let them know how much their actions stink.

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Reply #21 - Mar 10^th, 2003 at 10:09pm

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Sorry, I think I'm aggreeing with everyone else here. Was just responding to a few posts up. I don't think they would have a leg to stand on if you took them to court on this.

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Reply #22 - Mar 11^th, 2003 at 8:56am

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Reply #23 - Mar 11^th, 2003 at 9:04am

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Reply #24 - Mar 11^th, 2003 at 9:43am

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??? ??? ??? ??? Hey Judge, what are you Saying ??? ??? ??? ???

??? Are you flying too high in the clouds ???

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Reply #25 - Mar 15^th, 2003 at 12:54pm

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sounds great, good luck with them

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Reply #26 - Mar 15^th, 2003 at 12:58pm

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FS2002tipster and everyone else,
This is the first time i've posted on these forums and i hope what i say is useful, i have been following this thread and the previous thread with some interest and can sympathise with those wronged.

A few people have already indicated that flight simulation is still enjoyed by a minority, so publicising this problem will not attract much attention from the media. Also some people have said (correctly or incorrectly) that because the addon's involved are freeware, then they do not hold enough weight for subsequent action. It seems like the only way Mr Serena will sit up and take notice is if a big group or company got involved. FS Planet has a film's page http://www.fsplanet.com/videos.htm

There seems to be a number of copyright infringements on this page, and i believe that the copyright holders will probably take action if they were aware of this site. There seems to be a lot of big companies involved, as there are a lot of film clips posted.

I'm not trying to be a sly opportunist, but i just couldn't believe no one has already thought of contacting the copyright owners for the films to get their support in this matter. It could be worth a try.

Is the website Mr Serena's primary form of income? I sincerely hope it isn't. What an awful way to make money.

Good luck in whatever course of action you take.
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Reply #27 - Mar 15^th, 2003 at 4:08pm

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Hee hee. I guess he messed with the wrong guy.

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Reply #28 - Apr 6^th, 2003 at 3:43pm

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hopefully he'll go bankrupt before long

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Reply #29 - Apr 6^th, 2003 at 7:14pm

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Great! but after how many ~~weeks~~. . .months? Roll Eyes

you might want to email ferdy back, now that he is responding, and try to get your name on that list i pointed out to you Wink

, good luck on that

p.s. did fredy give any excuse for not emailing you back after the numerouis emails you sent him?

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Reply #30 - Apr 6^th, 2003 at 7:18pm

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for whitey (if he reads this): whitey, your f/a-18 b showed up at fsplanet yesterday, i think they took it from http://www.flightsim.com

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Reply #31 - Apr 6^th, 2003 at 8:26pm

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I'm really amazed at how some business owners conduct business, how does one expect to prosper with
business ethics like this. I've owned my own business now for more than 6 years and I've found that one big thing is to have respect and a genuine concern for the field your in and the customers you service.
If this man has a web-site for this hobby wouldn't it go to reason that he would respect the artists of the community? That site has been around for awhile and I'm trying to figure out how becuase I wouldn't last a year in business treating the people in my community that way. Maybe some day he'll have a wake-up call.

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Reply #32 - Apr 7^th, 2003 at 9:54am

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for whitey (if he reads this): whitey, your f/a-18 b showed up at fsplanet yesterday, i think they took it from http://www.flightsim.com

Yeah, but I've got exams and stuff to work on right now...let the prat keep it. At least he gave it five stars! Grin

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Reply #33 - Apr 7^th, 2003 at 4:42pm

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OK OK if we want war without going legal he can get it, just don't upload anything to him, he steals it and John gets more fuel for his attack! So he either stops the piracy and loose some popularity or keep it up and get in deep S***T

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Reply #34 - Apr 7^th, 2003 at 7:19pm

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HEY Tipster, for what its worth,Howard Stern got riped off pretty mutch the same way,and the thief fell flat on his ass.So how bout focusing your rightous rage into that B-52 panel were all waiting for? My motto is "ILLIGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM" Thats latin for "Dont let the bastards wear you down" The world is full of idiots.Like I say At work every day,"If A-holes could fly,this would be an airport!" Take care &good luck Arclight 8) 8)

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Reply #35 - Apr 9^th, 2003 at 6:49pm

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So what can the Spanish Embassy or UK consulate in Mardid do?

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Reply #36 - Apr 9^th, 2003 at 7:26pm

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Hi,Tipster please clarify this thread-did someone take your work offerd as freeware and try to sell it? Undecided

To bad I cant make a living out of this,but it would probably kill me.

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Reply #37 - Apr 10^th, 2003 at 4:52am

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There ought to be laws against that kind of crap. Wink

To bad I cant make a living out of this,but it would probably kill me.

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Reply #38 - Apr 23^rd, 2003 at 4:42am

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For everyone who tried to get some of the banners from that page in the past...
He has replaced them and they are now:
- Simware, 3x
- fsfreeware.com (probably his new source of stuff-soon-to-be-prated)
- E-Dimensional

For more info on the guy himself...
In the past he had times when he couldn't update because he was abroad. His primary profession WAS Bus driver a few years ago. That was BEFORE the demise of that great FS FTP server (ftp.flight-sim.iup.edu) ant it's later mirror (IFSA) which was his previous (free) file provider.

Mondadori had mirrored a large part of the files of that server, so he went over to that server for his file providing needs. In the first months (year??) it was a free service... it sucked, but it was free. late they went over to a payed premium service and a limited free service (just as flightsim.com did)

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Reply #39 - Apr 23^rd, 2003 at 11:58am

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Hi Ivan and thanks for the informion. Wink

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