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Reply #60 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 10:44am
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I'm not ferdy friend - infacts I do not know ferdy at all. You got fix on your ideas - fine! I've never see any cd produced by ferdy!!  where is it??   have you got any??  and where it is sold??  and how much it cost??

sorry - you are not convince me - ! and also all this for just a panel - produced with sources other than yours software - uhhhh!!  you can convince those 15 years old who come here and read your messages - - but with grow up man - you need to come out with some more convincing argument - and show that you are meaning business - and not just stearup - young simmers against somebody  - - to me you are just an attention seeker and a sad man - which will never get to the botton of the story - with all respect.

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Reply #61 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 12:00pm

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Balbo, let me make this clear to you, because you don't know what your talking about. For the last few years FSPlanet has been around, Ferdy has taken files from everyone without permission, i'm sure I could point out hundreds of them. But that would be pointless as I'd be wasting me time. Its time to put a stop to him once and for all. It IS illegal to steal files when ignoring copyrights. Your remark about us being 15 years old, you are dead wrong, most of us here are grown adults, you seem to have it out for people, so grow up. This topic has been stiring up for a VERY long time now, and its just now coming into its true form, we are fed up with him, and now we are taking action. If you don't like it, then just don't read this topic.  Undecided
 

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Reply #62 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 2:07pm

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Balbo, everyone is entitled to express his or her opinion here (providing it is constructive, and not obscene) including you, however it appears that you are in the minority here on the issue of FSPlanet. Ferdy has been involved in criminal activities that are prosecutable offences under various national and international laws, and a number of people here have been victims of his activities.
It has now reached a head and people are telling the truth about what is going on, and some very constructive debating is going on (on the matter of FSPlanet and freeware in general), along with an exchange of views and information.
If you choose to side with Ferdy, then that is your right and no-one here will persecute you for this. However a lot of people do feel (rightly it seems, but I'm not a judge) that he is a criminal, however that will be for a court to decide.
If you wish to take up issues with the webmaster here (Pete Daly), then please send him a message (webmaster@simviation.com, but be aware he is on holiday at the moment). I am sure that he will have no objection to this debate, speaking as one of the moderators for this forum it is correct and within what we allow here, which includes no cussing or passing personal comments about someone that could be construed as derogatory, all things said have been about his activities, not his person, we have not called into question his parents marital status or the like.

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Reply #63 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 2:34pm

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[quote author=balbo  link=1047051703/60#60 date=1047224659]I'm not ferdy friend - infacts I do not know ferdy at all. You got fix on your ideas - fine! I've never see any cd produced by ferdy!!  where is it??   have you got any??  and where it is sold??  and how much it cost??

sorry - you are not convince me - ! and also all this for just a panel - produced with sources other than yours software - uhhhh!!  you can convince those 15 years old who come here and read your messages - - but with grow up man - you need to come out with some more convincing argument - and show that you are meaning business - and not just stearup - young simmers against somebody  - - to me you are just an attention seeker and a sad man - which will never get to the botton of the story - with all respect.

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I said in an earlier message that I respect the opinions of others whether I agree with them or not.

Pity you don't do the same.

1) Did anyone say you were Ferdy's friend? The comment made referred to your insulting comments and their similarity to those of Mr Serena.


2) I'm not trying to "convince" you of anything. Frankly, it's of no importance to me whether you believe what's being said here or not. The object of my original messges that started this thread was information - not an attempt to persuade anyone of anything. If you choose not to believe the content of this thread and the other 2 associated with it, that's your privilidge.

3) Read the thread properly - I didn't say Ferdy sold anything. Mondalori.com do the selling. There are several hundred W.H.Smith stores in the UK selling Audio CDs by Led Zeppelin. I doubt you've seen those either - you not "having seen" a CD is hardly a convincing argument that it doesn't exist.

4) "all this for just a panel" - it's not about "just a panel". Again - read the thread properly. It's about the unscrupulous, unlicenced actions of an individual who, because of his history of piracy, can't persuade enough people to upload to his site legitimately, so has to resort to uploading the files himself - contrary to licence.

5) The people who's work my panel was based on were all properly credited - what's your point?

6) "these 15 year olds" - This is the point where I've had enough of being politically correct and respecting anything you have to say. YOU are the only one behaving like a juvenile around here.

7) "show that you are meaning business" - believe me, I mean business alright. All in hand..

8) "to me you are just an attention seeker and a sad man" - to me you are just a pompous, arrogant, ill-informed idiot. As stated earlier, we're all entitled to our opinions sir. :)

9) "which will never get to the botton of the story" - Watch me.

10) "with all respect" - What respect? You haven't shown any in your last few threads. You've called the members of this forum a bunch of kids, said the site is "rubbish", defamed the webmaster (and by implication his moderators)  and personally insulted me.

If that's your definition of "respect", you need to look it up in your Spanish-English dictionary.
 

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Reply #64 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 2:36pm

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"Ferdy has been involved in criminal activities that are prosecutable offences under various national and international laws,"

Then if that truly is the case, for goodness sake stop whining about it and prosecute the guy.  Maybe Balbo is wrong about this topic, and maybe he's wrong for engaging in some character assassination here, but I can understand his frustration.  Just because someone's in a minority, it doesn't mean they're wrong.  This mob mentality, the advocacy by some here of illegal and immoral countermeasures,  and the self-congratulatory rhetoric, make you all look like adolescents.

For heaven's sakes, go consult a lawyer and stop blathering on about how you 'could' prosecute.  Just do it.
 
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Reply #65 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 2:38pm

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sorry - you are not convince me - ! and also all this for just a panel - produced with sources other than yours software - uhhhh!!
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This is just another salvo in a long running battle between Flight Sim developers and FSPlanet.  It is not about "just a panel", but is about thousands of freeware products, from hundreds of developers, that have been poached without permission by that web site. It is all about developer rights to chose the method of distribution of material we spend so much effort creating.

Last year Avsim had to block the IP address of FSPlanet and take other measures to prevent them from sucking away bandwidth poaching a hundred files a day from Avsim.

As to "stearup - young simmers against somebody", generating public awareness about this issue and the acts of piracy of that particular webmaster, is a worthwhile effort.  Fince Ferdy has been proven over and over again to have nothing but contempt for developers, it wouldn't surprise me if he has equal contempt for his site users and does dispicable things like selling his members list to spammers or allowing spyware to be installed from his site.  Users should be aware of what kind of person they are dealing with when they log onto that site.

And as always, balbo, if you don't like the content of a thread or you don't understand the subject matter, just don't read it.
 
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Reply #66 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 2:44pm

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"Ferdy has been involved in criminal activities that are prosecutable offences under various national and international laws,"

Then if that truly is the case, for goodness sake stop whining about it and prosecute the guy.  Balbo is right.  This mob mentality, the advocacy by some here of illegal and immoral countermeasures,  and the self-congratulatory rhetoric, make you all look like adolescents.

For heaven's sakes, go consult a lawyer.


Wish I could afford to. "Whining" is an adjective that could be applied to more people's posts than mine in this thread...

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Reply #67 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 3:14pm

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Guys, please try to keep this constructive ,that includes you Balbo, as we do NOT tollerate personal criticisms here!

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Reply #68 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 3:20pm

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you can convince those 15 years old who come here and read your messages - - but with grow up man - you need to come out with some more convincing argument - and show that you are meaning business - and not just stearup - young simmers against somebody

I would not usually bother to respond to anyone posting here anonymously but would like to point out that I am 60 years old, hardly an impressionable teenager. Until now the discussion in this thread has been carried out in a civilised & polite manner, as is customary on the Simviation forums. OK, some people did get a tad carried away but this is mainly due to frustration & helplessness at their inability to fight this pirate. It took a while to convince me but I now understand the situation & believe all the accusations to be true.

When someone like Leesw takes the time to contribute his comments I am even more convinced. This man has made possibly the most important contribution to FS2002 ever likely to be made, all at no cost. Thank you Lee. Wink
 

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Reply #69 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 3:27pm

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Ozzy - very sorry. My fault. I got a little "agitated".

I'll confine my contributions to this and the other associated threads to relevant information.

Hagar - I couldn't agree more with your comments regarding Lee Swordy.

For anyone that doesn't know, he created ttools - the Mother and Father of all A.I. aircraft modification programs.

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Reply #70 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 3:43pm

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No worries John, we all get a little hot under the collar from time-to-time. Especially on personal matters.
Have to agree with you and Hagar, Lee deserves a Nobel Prize or something for his work for all us simmers, he is a true gentleman!

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Reply #71 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 5:00pm

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Gumby unfortunately a lot of those fun things are in fact illegal. Bummer I know, but we can't break the law, as it makes us no better than him. Alas. But I do hope he contracts a serious personal and incuriable disease.... Oh and his system gets hit by some kind of nasty virus that causes it to spontaneously combust or something.... It couldn't happen to a more deserving individual Grin

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What if we inundate him with the shoddiest of addon's we can find. Ok, its a technicality, but it is legal, because were just uploading stuff that the site was made for. We could even fire up gmax, then send him flying boxes, spheres and even teapots.
 

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Reply #72 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 6:23pm

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"Whining" is an adjective that .

hate to correct you john on a thing like grammar (can't believe i remembered this Roll Eyes), but "Whining" used is a gerund
 

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Reply #73 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 6:28pm

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LOL - well I've never heard of a gerund, but in the U.K. it would be an adverb (I think) come to think of it.

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Reply #74 - Mar 9th, 2003 at 6:59pm

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Ok, its a technicality, but it is legal, because were just uploading stuff that the site was made for. We could even fire up gmax, then send him flying boxes, spheres and even teapots.


OH man, I really DO want a flying teapot!!!!!
 

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