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Feb 23rd, 2003 at 6:55am

dandivine   Offline
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Hi, I just installed FS2002, I was kind of wondering if this was OK and would do no harm to my computer or monitor, I set all the slides to right full on every thing and checked most of the boxes in settings. I have read a lot about frame rates and still don't understand them. I pressed the Shift Z keys twice to see what my frame rates were. They read from 39 to 98 through out take off and landing in heavy weather in skylane on 80 mile trip. Are these good frame rates or should I restrict them to a certian number. There is absolutly no stutter and scenery is beautiful,(I bought Ruud Faber's FScene)effects like rain are also very good. My monitor is set to 95 hertz, I use Win XP, 2.5 Pentum 4, 512 Rimm, and I have a ATI Radion 8500DV All In Wonder video card. All the settings on the video card are set to default, which is a balance between performance and quality. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks, Dan
 

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Reply #1 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 8:12am

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Hi Dan....!
With frame rates running at 98 and everything thing maxed out, I reckon you have got two Cray Super-Compters running in parallel.... Roll Eyes...!

I can't remember anyone claiming frame rates as high as that with settings at max.... Shocked...!
Most of us have to be content with 10 to 30 FPS with 3/4 settings.... Cry...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England).

P.S.  can I have a serial link with your set-up...
...please... Tongue...!
 

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Reply #2 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 8:39am

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I always thought that my airplane conveyed a silent sermon. To the earthbound observer, its silhouette was the shape of the cross on which Jesus was crucified.&&
MEIGS FEILD
&&
...
&&&&&&Click Here, Ahhh!&&&&
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Reply #3 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 9:16am

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Hi Dan....

...I think I've got a headache coming on... Cry...!
LOL...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England).
 

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Reply #4 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 9:16am

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huh ???
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 9:22am

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Quote:
huh ???


Hi Craig...!
...you beat me to it mate...
I am still as confused as you are... Roll Eyes...!
LOL...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England....down a bit from Scotland...)...LOL...!
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 11:10am

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What resolution are you running at? I don't mean the resolution in Windows, I mean in FS2002.

To find out, in FS2002, go to settings, then display, then click the hardware tab. There will be a list box and each item has three numbers in. I run at 1280 x 1024 x 32 (the highest setting for my monitor) and I get framerates of 15 - 30 (all sliders maxed). If I reduce this to 640 x 480 x 16, I get framerates of 120ish. If your framerates are that high, you can afford to increase the resolution.
 

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Reply #7 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 11:17am

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FS2002 is set at 1024x768x32,
do you think I should change?
 

I always thought that my airplane conveyed a silent sermon. To the earthbound observer, its silhouette was the shape of the cross on which Jesus was crucified.&&
MEIGS FEILD
&&
...
&&&&&&Click Here, Ahhh!&&&&
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Reply #8 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 11:26am

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Hi Delta...!
My frame rates, (10 to 30), are at 1024 X 768 X 32, ...3/4 to max settings.!
...98 FPS seems like out-of-this-world.... Shocked....!
...definately a Cray Super-Computer, or two... Tongue...!
LOL...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England).

 

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Yamaha MO6,MM6,DX7,DX11,DX21,DX100,MK100,EMT10,PSR400,PSS780,Roland GW-8L v2,TR505,Casio MT-205,Korg CX3v2 dual manual,+ Leslie 760,M-Audio Prokeys88,KeyRig,Cubase,Keyfax4,Guitars,Orchestral,Baroque,Renaissance,Medieval Instruments.
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Reply #9 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 1:00pm

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That's flipping scary!!!

Yikes, I would do anything to get a hold of frames like that!  I have a P3 766MHz, 576Mb of Ram, Geforce 4 64Mb card, Win XP, and I still only get less than 10 frames, with the scenery settings on 3/4 with the bloody traffic off!  With the cessna.  I can't believe you need a top of the range computer to be able to even have the settings on full, all I want is 20-30 frames with all the settings on full with the meljet 772/3 from spot view, since the human eye can only detect 25-30fps, I would suggest you limit your frames to around 35, then the computer can concentrate on flight dinamics and stuff, so you get better aircraft performance and the computer doesn't worry about the graphics too much, but since you're getting such bloody excellent frames, it wouldn't really matter.  Enjoy them.

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Reply #10 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 8:23pm
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Unbelievable - I hope this isn't a "put-on" just to stress me out.     I have a reasonable set-up myself and seem to pull about the same F/rates as Fozzer etc.

However, when I was a total newbie, with a brand-new FlightSim, before I joined this forum and learned how to download mega stuff, I used to get better rates also.

A standard Meigs airport, before enhancement, being approached by a standard Microsoft cessna, is a far cry from todays approach in my newest re-built DC3 with many MB's of additional improvements.

I just added ex RAF airfield Brize Norton (Fozzer would know it well) and that just about puts my Pentium into reverse.
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 8:58pm

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I get about 20-25 fps with all settings full, but like bazza, I think it's slower then it used to be, but that may have something to do with my FS2002 directory being almost 10 gigs Grin
 
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Reply #12 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 10:07pm

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Talk about Pentium envy.   ;D 

I got a AMD1.8, 512PC2100, and a Radeon DV (orignal ol' school card, sight).  Getting ave. 18-20 with slider max at 1280x1024 resolution.  Time for an upgrade.

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Reply #13 - Feb 23rd, 2003 at 11:00pm

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I get 5-17 fps with everything in the max 1280x1024 but with 4xFSAA i have to run 1024x768 or get 4 to 12 fps
 

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Reply #14 - Feb 26th, 2003 at 4:44pm
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I thought I would join in here. I run the archaic Winblows 98, and at Meigs field with all sliders maxed I do get 30 fps. AI is set to 70%. My system specs are: XP 1800; 256 mb PC 2700; Gigabyte GA7VX motherboard; Visiontek GeForce 3 Ti 200 audigy gamer sound card/5.1 sound system. I guess I'm lucky to get these frame rates!
Some of you guys in this string are running half decent systems. Have you checked your aperature size for the AGP? I did some experimenting, and if I set my aperature to 64mb, my frame rates dropped to 20. I then set it to 256, the amount of RAM I have-still 20. Set it back to 128, went up to 30. So, if you haven't, try some experimenting with the aperature size. As you can see, 10 extra fps for switching it back to 128! That's a pretty big difference, but all systems are different.
 
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Reply #15 - Feb 26th, 2003 at 8:11pm

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Those frames don't seem to unreallistic.

I'm running a custom Dell 4550. Specs are as follows:

P4 2.4 GHz, 533 MHz FSB
512 MB PC2100 RAM
nVidia GeForce 4 4600 Ti 128MB

I'm using the 40.72 drivers and DX9. I have set the AGP apeture to 128MB, as setting this higher made no difference.

I Run FS2002 at max setting with all effects on, at 1280x1024x32, and get anywhere between 40-150fps. I've locked it at 50, and it seems to work fine. Under heavy load (ie, at meigs in the 757 I'm doing, I get about 22-24fps). In CFS2, I can get well over 200fps!

My reccomendations would be to close EVERYTHING down in the background that is not essential, on my system this frees up about 50MB of memory, and about 21% of the processor runtime. Next I would tweak the system, making one change at a time. If you have XP, create a restore point everytime.

Ric B.

If you guys wan't to get the most out of your PC, then go over to www.futuremark.com and get 3dMark2002SE. You can run that and compare your computer to those of a similar spec.

Hope this helps.
 
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Reply #16 - Feb 26th, 2003 at 11:02pm

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Where do you find the aperature size???
 
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Reply #17 - Feb 26th, 2003 at 11:29pm

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Usually you can set it with your BIOS utility. Next time you start your pc, look for a message that says "press xxx to enter setup" Usually it's the "Delete" key, or F12.

The AGP apeture size is explained here: http://www.tweak3d.net/articles/aperture-size/

Hope that helps buddy.

Ric B.
 
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Reply #18 - Feb 27th, 2003 at 12:48am

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Just want to add that my gaming computer with the G-Force 4ti 128mb is kicking the same frame rates and higher at times, combat 2 goes up to 250 or more also. No overclocking at all. Just default Riva Turner for appearance only,oh V-snyc allways off that it.Darn good hardware and cooling and performance machine,fast hard drive,fast CPU,fast memory.Combat 3 avg. about 40-70fps,but sputter every now and then, that darn game.
 
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