Simviation Forum - Milan's new F-18 update

Jan 24^th, 2003 at 11:19pm

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Not sure if this was posted in here yet, didn't see it on the first page but the guy posting these pictures was a former F-18 Navy pilot. Jim Campisi is beta testing it, I've been waiting for ever for this release. I hope it comes soon Shocked

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Reply #1 - Jan 24^th, 2003 at 11:45pm

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wow, you have really nice shots, i like them so much...

great job planespotter

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Reply #2 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 12:12am

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Nice shots Wink

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Reply #3 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 5:18am

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Hmmm....will it be freeware?

I'll have to repaint that in the Blue Angels colour too if it is. Grin

It's unbelievably good!

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Reply #4 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 7:37am

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That is one sweet looking kite. Gotta have it. It will be mine, oh yes it will be mine!

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Reply #5 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 8:56am

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wow, i also want it and trust me, i also will get it!

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Reply #6 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 1:41pm

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Reply #7 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 3:32pm

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Party on Wane! 8)

party on garth!!!!

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awesome plane!!!!! Shocked

wow soooo real!!!! Shocked

whitey if it is freeware u seriously should nail it with the BA's repaint!!!! Cheesy

great plane!!!! great shots!!!! Grin

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Reply #8 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 4:44pm

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ITS FREEEEEEEEEWAAAARRRREEE!!!!!!!

http://www.mlk-airbase.wz.cz/
Website hasnt been updated in a while, but here are pics from it.

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Reply #9 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 4:44pm

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I think its the one from here

http://mlk-airbase.wz.cz

Extremely nice model i hope it flys well

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Reply #10 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 8:40pm

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Sorry guys, not my shots. There were from the AVSIM forum of the thread I posted. The guy flying Hornet was an actual F-18 driver who now flies for Delta. In fact the skin on it was his unit.

He said this thing is right on. I believe he mentioned in that thread that he believed it would be FREEWARE.

A Blue Angel Skin would be very nice 8)

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Reply #11 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 10:47pm

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party on garth!!!!

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P.S My friend has the same car in Wanes World, except its brown.

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Reply #12 - Jan 25^th, 2003 at 11:36pm

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Your friend has a Pacer ?....and you admit it ?

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Reply #13 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 1:01am

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MY GOD! I sure hope they add a Canadian CF-18 paint to that. Looks to be a killer and competition for most payware(YES!) Grin

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Reply #14 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 1:22am

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Your friend has a Pacer ?....and you admit it ?

'....nothing really matters, any one can see,........nothing really matterssssss..............tooooooooo me ! "

" any way the wind blowssss......."

He even has a 1979 GMC Jimmy (with AM radio!!!) and a 1985s' (I think 1985) Corvette.

We once managed to hold 18 children in the Jimmy. Another time, we managed to fit about 19 high school students in one of those old Volkswagen vans. The funny part is we passed by a police cruiser and one of the guys waved, then the cop waved back.

LOL we are really going off topic.

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Reply #15 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 12:30pm

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If anyone knows how I am with aircraft, they know I'm the ultimate stickler with aircraft. When I saw those shots, I actually said wow. Shocked

This has the opportunity to become the best freeware add-on on the net judging by these shots! And it's free, free, free! Grin

I think I'm gonna faint! Embarrassed

In fact, I don't care about the poly count, that thing is amazing! I just hope it has a VC! Who designed this? They seriously deserve one huge pat on the back! Cheesy

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Reply #16 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 5:23pm

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Oh yes it has a VC Grin

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Reply #17 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 5:44pm

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Sweetness! Even if it's as vague as a few days or a few months, what's the predicted release date? I'm so eager to get this! Grin

I'll download it even if it's high, but any word on the poly count? Cheesy

Hope it's not astronomical. Embarrassed

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Reply #18 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 6:20pm

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its nice, but i doubt itll be out very soon Sad

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Reply #19 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 8:04pm

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That aircraft looks like one of Dean Reimer's

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Reply #20 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 8:08pm

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It isnt, its got a better model I think, and a load of new effects I think no one has ever seen.

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Reply #21 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 10:37pm

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Is it a gmax model ???

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Reply #22 - Jan 26^th, 2003 at 11:48pm

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Yes it is, I'm not sure but I think it includes folding wings.

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Reply #23 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 12:12am

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I didn't realize the F-18 had folding wings ???

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Reply #24 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 1:20am

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Yes all Naval aircraft have to have folding wings. You can see the hinge lines on a top shot of the Hornet. The F-14 is nice because the wings have an "oversweep" setting allowing for some tight parking on the limited deck space on aircraft carriers.

It's nice to have an actual Hornet driver test the plane within FS2k/2k2 limited simulation parameters.

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Reply #25 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 2:38am

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I'm quite sure only the Super Hornet has folding wings.

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Reply #26 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 9:02am

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Hello guys,

I'm glad you like my F18 model, even from these screenshots only.

I thought that it will be finished last year, but there were also another important things, e.g. like this:

http://lisner.unas.cz/matous

You know, these delays are sometimes a destiny of freeware projects ...

But now I would like to attend to this project again and finally finish it.
It's hard to say any exact date, but because the major part of this project is completed, I can say it could be rather weeks than months ...

In the meantime you can enjoy several latest screenshots:
- 2D panel ( thanks to Aeyes from http://www.cockpits.nl for his background image, Eric Marciano for his HUD and radar http://emarciano.free.fr and to thanks to Paul Schwerdtfeger for his MFD gauges )
- 3D cockpit ( there were added some new details )

Screenshots of the external model ( "walkaround" ) were created using Active camera ( http://www.anticyclone.be )

More and larger screenshots are here: http://airspace.uhk.cz/mlk/msfs/f18/f18_1.htm

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Reply #27 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 11:00am

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Now I hate to spoil the moment...but I want it NOW! Grin

I'm feeling even more excited about this than I am about the B-1B!!! Cheesy

Excellent work!

Can I ask one thing, though...does the Hornet have folding wings or am I right in thinking only the Super Hornet has folding wings? ???

Hoping to be flying that bute soon... 8)

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Reply #28 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 11:22am

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About those folding wings, I think, that these images doesn't need any comment

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Reply #29 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 11:53am

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I can't wait untill it's finished

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Reply #30 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 1:45pm

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Yes the F/A-18A-F all have folding wings. Although the Navy no longer uses the A/B variant, I beleive NASA does though.

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Reply #31 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 4:37pm

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Wrong, the Alphas are coming back as the Charlies aren't holding up. Spain had recently procured the best of the Alpha lot. I wouldn't doubt that the Bravos will be seen again either.

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Reply #32 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 5:12pm

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Any chance on seeing an 18 in Canadian Air Force Colours? Roll Eyes

...if it hasn't already been asked then I'm ASKING lol Grin

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Reply #33 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 5:15pm

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Slider, I think there is already

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Reply #34 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 5:25pm

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Yeah, really, there are enough Canadian F-18's on the net. Let us have some stars and stripes! Wink

'Seriously' though, MLK, you are doing a fantastic job, so take your time and don't rush it. But sometime within the next two months would be nice! What kind of poly count does it have?

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Reply #35 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 6:00pm

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The polygon count should be quite acceptable, I think. External model with gear down has cca 6500 polygons ( similar polycount has e.g. default FS2002 planes ) and internal model ( 3D cockpit ) has cca 3500 polygons ( including some parts and effects from external model, which are visible from the cockpit ).

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Reply #36 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 6:25pm

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Wow, this is almost too good to be true! This plane meets everything on my list! Shocked

Good panel
Has VC
Doesn't have pilot figure in VC
Poly count close to stock
Excellent textures

There has to be a catch, I've never downloaded an FS2002 plane that was perfect. There has to be something wrong with it! There are two that usaually put me off. Does it have:

Aileron co-ordinated pilot? (head moves with stick)
Really, are the textures really that good? Could you post a close up shot of the textures? I'm still a bit skeptical they look that good in the sim.

If you answer no to those two, well, this is just something I'm going to have to see to believe! Or better put, fly to believe! 8)

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Reply #37 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 8:25pm

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A perfect FS plane could be quite subjective thing, couldn't?

My model of course won't be perfect for everyone.
And how about some flight characteristic in your list?
This is also importatnt for me.

Pilot's head moves with rudder movement in this version.

And here are several screenshots, which I created for you. From close look the textures aren't of course so sharp, but too high texture resolution isn't much optimal IMHO. I would like to have my models reasonably balanced.

Here are thumbnails:

And here are the originals, 1280x1204, non modified raw screenshots:

http://airspace.uhk.cz/mlk/msfs/f18/shots7/image01.jpg

http://airspace.uhk.cz/mlk/msfs/f18/shots7/image02.jpg

http://airspace.uhk.cz/mlk/msfs/f18/shots7/image03.jpg

Have some patience and you will try it yourself soon

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Reply #38 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 8:54pm

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Yeah, really, there are enough Canadian F-18's on the net. Let us have some stars and stripes! Wink

'Seriously' though, MLK, you are doing a fantastic job, so take your time and don't rush it. But sometime within the next two months would be nice! What kind of poly count does it have?

Ahh yes...but unfortunately none of the F-18's in CAF Colours can hold a candle to this exceptional F-18 model. But hey, if there isn't any interest in it then i suppose theres nothing i can do Sad

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Reply #39 - Jan 27^th, 2003 at 9:04pm

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I guess that was the catch. I can settle for that right now, since you can't eject in FS. I still says it looks good.

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Reply #40 - Jan 28^th, 2003 at 2:31am

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Slider, don't worry about CAF colours, maybe I'll do it myself. And if not, I'm also working on "repaint kit" with texture templates, so someone could create it easily then.

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Reply #41 - Jan 28^th, 2003 at 3:31am

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Milan,

Congrats on the bambino, how are the sleepless nights effecting you?

The '18 looks great so far, how are the afterburners controlled?
In those shots it looks like you are on approach with the 'dirty' configuration but the afterburners are still blazing away. Are they assigned to the throttle or are they selectable via a light switch?

Looking beautiful all the same!

Good luck with her!

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Reply #42 - Jan 28^th, 2003 at 3:43am

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Hey Milan,
AWesome Job! Grin

Those afterburners look gorgeous from up close Cheesy

nice textures too Wink

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Reply #43 - Jan 28^th, 2003 at 7:03am

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Milan,

Congrats on the bambino, how are the sleepless nights effecting you?

The '18 looks great so far, how are the afterburners controlled?
In those shots it looks like you are on approach with the 'dirty' configuration but the afterburners are still blazing away. Are they assigned to the throttle or are they selectable via a light switch?

Looking beautiful all the same!

Good luck with her!

Cheesy

Thanks for your congratulations, my nights aren't so bad as I expected initially

The afterburner effect is controlled by engine RPM.
( and it's not static but has dynamic animation, which looks quite interesting, I hope - you can hardly see it from this static screenshot unfortunately )
It's showing up on the screenshots above, just to be visible on screenshots and for your pleasure

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Reply #44 - Jan 28^th, 2003 at 12:11pm

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Lookin good, will it fly in CFS2? 8)

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Reply #45 - Jan 28^th, 2003 at 5:24pm

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I don't think so, unless he specifically builds a cfs2 version

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Reply #46 - Jan 29^th, 2003 at 4:49am

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The current version is CFS2 compatible, becasue it's assembled in FSDS1.x

Here is the proof

These shots are from CFS2 with my terrain textures modifcation:

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Reply #47 - Jan 29^th, 2003 at 10:29am

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Yeeeeehaaaaaaa, I've been waiting on a good CFS2 compatible F/A-18 for ages. There was a patch to allow Dean's but it didn't handle like something intended to fly. Grin

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Reply #48 - Jan 29^th, 2003 at 10:01pm

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Milan, every new shot is just amazing.

I love the fact the burner is connected to RPM's instead of using the lights key or shift F4 Roll Eyes

Turn and burn

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Reply #49 - Jan 30^th, 2003 at 12:47am

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I thought you said it was a GMAX model???

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I thought you said it was a GMAX model???

No, I never said that ...

And does really matter, which program was used for its modelling?

I actually created the basic 3D model in AutoCAD and 3D Studio. Then assembled it first in Aircraft Factory 99 ( so this the simplified FS98/CFS1 version ) and later then I assembled it in FS design Studio.

And I have already plans for assembling it in Gmax too, with some reworking and improvements.
But some effects cannot be simply create in Gmax/Makemdl, e.g. the vapour vortices or afterburner efefct controlled by engine RPM.

So the FSDS version has its own advantages.

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Reply #51 - Jan 30^th, 2003 at 7:44am

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No, I never said that ...

oops, I think Blade said it was a GMAX model

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Reply #52 - Jan 30^th, 2003 at 11:40am

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Oh it isnt? I thought it was, my mistake. Embarrassed

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Reply #53 - Jan 31^st, 2003 at 6:14pm

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that is real nice what day did he put it on here to download?

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Reply #54 - Jan 31^st, 2003 at 6:54pm

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It's not available yet. It's still under development.

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Reply #55 - Jan 31^st, 2003 at 10:39pm

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Milan hello be what the wing will fold

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Reply #56 - Feb 1^st, 2003 at 12:14am

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No, I never said that ...

And does really matter, which program was used for its modelling?

I actually created the basic 3D model in AutoCAD and 3D Studio. Then assembled it first in Aircraft Factory 99 ( so this the simplified FS98/CFS1 version ) and later then I assembled it in FS design Studio.

And I have already plans for assembling it in Gmax too, with some reworking and improvements.
But some effects cannot be simply create in Gmax/Makemdl, e.g. the vapour vortices or afterburner efefct controlled by engine RPM.

So the FSDS version has its own advantages.

Milan

Milan,

I hate to correct you, but I've got xml gauges on my Eurofighter which control afterburner display with throttle position (or engine rpm, whatever you prefer) and also wingtip vorticies which come on at certain g forces....

And it's a GMax model....
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Reply #57 - Feb 1^st, 2003 at 5:01am

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I hate to correct you, but I've got xml gauges on my Eurofighter which control afterburner display with throttle position (or engine rpm, whatever you prefer) and also wingtip vorticies which come on at certain g forces....

And it's a GMax model....

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It's OK, Dave

If it's something useful, I'm glad I know about it.
But the afterburner control with throttle position could be done in Gmax itself, using keyframe animation, couldn't?
And the wingtip vortices are also independent effect, I was thinking rather about the second vapour effect, which isn't a FS effect, but textured polygons displayed under certain conditions - and these conditions aren't available in Gmax/makemdl ( I heard somewhere, that these conditions could be used in Gmax models, but it seems it's a kind of "black magic" for me ...

).
If the xml gauge you mentioned, is for public, could you send me it, so I can look at it? - mlk@volny.cz
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Reply #58 - Feb 1^st, 2003 at 2:42pm

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Milan hello be what the canopy will open

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Reply #59 - Feb 1^st, 2003 at 9:30pm

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Milan hello be what the canopy will open

Oh brother, here we go again! Angry

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Reply #60 - Feb 2^nd, 2003 at 12:03pm

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OH! thats why after 4 hours of looking for it I couldn't find it.

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Reply #61 - Feb 2^nd, 2003 at 3:26pm

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wow that looks great

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Reply #62 - Feb 8^th, 2003 at 5:13pm

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Hey Milan, any word on progress?

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Reply #63 - Mar 15^th, 2003 at 6:58pm

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is it out let?

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Reply #64 - Apr 4^th, 2003 at 2:30am

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Just saw the most recent update on the site. Thats one fine CAF hornet i must say Grin

. Can't wait to fly her. Thanks! Cheesy

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Reply #65 - Apr 4^th, 2003 at 3:55am

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I had several requests for CAF skin. Because I promised it, here is the result. I hope, you will like it. Now I have some time again for FS design, so I hope that I make some final progress on Hornet model.

Here are 2 shots, especially for you, SLIDER

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Reply #66 - Apr 4^th, 2003 at 2:34pm

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Looks very very good MLK.

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Reply #67 - Apr 4^th, 2003 at 3:42pm

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Beautiful job MLK, Love the fake canopy painted on the underside that the Canadian Air Force use. It would be difficult for an enemy pilot to tell the difference. Can't wait to fly this one!!!! Grin

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Reply #68 - Apr 4^th, 2003 at 9:22pm

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yeah ha, Milan has returned Shocked

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Reply #69 - Apr 5^th, 2003 at 5:57pm

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WOW!

. Completely speachless, I LOVE IT. Will it have an opening canopy, and how close is it to being completed? Cheesy

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Reply #70 - Jun 13^th, 2003 at 11:00am

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Hi,

I know it seems, that I forgot about my freeware Hornet model, but it isn't dead.
I had just another priorities - I have not only a second child, but also a new job, so I hope you will understand it. So the Hornet model was just sleeping in my virtual hangar.
Thanks to your mails and messages in several forums, I restored its development. Recently I finished several things on 3D model, panel and textures, which I want to complete.

It seems, that now remains only a documentation and installation package. Again - I can't tell you any exact release date, but I hope that your waiting won't be so long ...

I created also 3 new attractive skins for some fun flying - it could be at least a little compensation for your long waiting ...

Milan

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Reply #71 - Jun 13^th, 2003 at 10:21pm

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Love that Canadian paint job...really sweet... Grin

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Reply #72 - Jun 13^th, 2003 at 11:25pm

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I have a feeling the payware F-18s will be hard to sell when this beaut comes out Wink

. Those schemes look great, i especially like the first blue camo. Milan's done a fantastic job, well done

PS:Milan, did you convert the model to Gmax from FSDS or is the final result gonna be FSDS all the way?

PSS: Just a suggestion; you should change the canopy glass to make it more shiny and transparent. it looks...well..a tad unreal and too dark...just a suggestion though

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Reply #73 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 9:54am

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Great job Milan Wink

Expect to see it with the Israeli Air Force too (with your permission after it will be released of course) Grin

Oz is right, the canopy sould be as he say, but a part from that it looks great and I've been following the model's progress from first time I heard on it with great interest.

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Reply #74 - Jun 20^th, 2003 at 12:30am

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release??

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