Thanks Ozzy I will begin my spins that way I was doing it wrong

In Australian Gliding we typically use semi-aerobatic two seat trainers certified for spins in this country. These include the Blanik L-13, Twin Astir, Puchatek, ASK-21 and IS-28. This training is usually done in these club owned aircraft.

I was hesitant is writing on this subject for the reasons you stated earlier Scubapro, but, on careful reflection, I figured a nut is a nut is a nut, and he will not be saved, but I tend to agree with our GFA policy on spin awareness. ie. Preparedness is preferable to fear and ignorance.

There is a great story about an incident in one of the most remote places on the planet here:

http://www.flightsafety.org.au/articles/i0173.php

Now, this fellow is very lucky to be alive and owes it much to luck but also very much to his spin awareness. This is a treacherous region for flying with unpredictable weather no doubt caused by it's extremes of terrain.

I thoroughly recommend a flight here in FS2002. You can take off from Telefomin and head 70* or so to get there, you'll see what I mean. This is where they found the stone age tribe in 1992 who had no contact with anyone since the neolithic age.

Region: Oceania
Country: Papua New Guinea
Airport: Telefomin
or coordinates direct: S05*05'   E142* 08'   Alt: +10,000'


There are old pilots and there are bold pilots,

But there are no old, bold pilots.

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euh don't remind me

Well enjoy the TIF Brensec. Believe me real flying is better than virtual, but most of the stuff is just the same e.g. instruments, throw the stick left to go left, just don't use the rudder pedals like a clutch/accelerator/brake okay?
Err as for the MkV thing, er well to the best of my knowledge no Vs were converted to T spec... Are you perhaps talking CFS? In which case I'm sure some of our German members will be over to err chat with you in their 109s!

Ozzy

BTW, the field I'm having my flight at (and possibly will trian at, if minor miracles can occur) is an "uncontrolled" field.
I'm told this is a big advantage because there's less congestion and you make you own decisions with regard to runway choice, separation etc.

They've told me that the average training time (hence expense) for their students is about 20% less to get to their GFPT, because they get more practical time in the air.

Does this sound right, or am I being wooed??

This is the website for the Flying School:
http://www.liverpoolflyingschool.com.au/

One question. It says that once you pass your GFPT, you can fly passengers within the "training area".
Does this mean with an instructor, or does the GFPT allow you to fly solo (kind of a Provisional license).

Thanks Ozzy, I'll give Congo a hoy.

As for the Spit flight, I wish I could remember a whole lot more, but it was forty years ago, and I was so young. I know it wasn't such a thrill in terms of WHAT it was I was flying IN. I had no appreciation of the fame and history of the plane then.
I just recall it was a big thrill to go in one of Pa's (what we called him) "War Planes" (that's what we called all the planes we saw at Richmond RAAF base, that were painted in RAAF colours - from the Spit to the DC6's etc). Much the same way in which any kid would be thrilled to do anything that his grandfather does, that's so grown-up, like riding in a semi-trailer or a piece of earthmoving equipment with him. (Grandfathers are great........)

I rather think it would be impossible to do with an adult or large child. The cockpit (although I don't recall being very cramped) would be way too small. A "T" would be your only bet.
There is apparently a lady in England that has a two-seater Spit and will take people for rides (at a premium cost). I read that there is quite a waiting list though.
Or are you talking about flying it yourself. With that, I wish you good luck, and am not holding my breath for you on that one...............lol. Although they say money can buy almost anyhting. Maybe you'll win the lottery and you can buy your own. Would that not be grand.

I wonder if I had a Spit or a P51 etc, would they let me fly in the "training area" with my GFPT.........................lol. What a killer of a way to spend a morning. WOOOOOOOOOOOO. 

If you don't know, the GFPT here is also called the "Student Pilots License".

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There were some very good replies on the subject of spins here, but BE58D made a key point, IT'S IMPERATIVE TO THROTTLE BACK FIRST!

The typical 2-4 seat trainer is generally of an aerodynamically clean design; these planes will build airspeed quickly in a spin....it's critical that the power be reduced immediately (if it wasn't already at idle). If a spin is initiated (intentional or not) with a cruise to full power setting, any delay in power reduction can prolong the spin rotation (even with ailerons neutral, opposite rudder...), and the plane can quickly 'Red-line' and exceed the "Never Exceed Speed", at which point you can start losing wings and other important parts, or otherwise just fast run out of recovery altitude!

BTW, I'm going to disagree with the majority here and say that spin recovery should be taught to student pilots later in their training; preferably before they go out solo to practice stalls and other maneuvers. I know it's not a requirement for the PPL (although some think it should be), and many CFI's disagree on the wisdom of teaching them to students. I had several instructors that felt that knowledge of spin recovery was a good thing, and I share their opinion.

One last thing.....SPINS ARE FUN!!.....I've done hundreds!

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Actually, there is a very good reason. Spins are very hard on airplanes. They can literally rip a plane apart. You don't hear about it much, but, some planes have just about disinegrated doing high-g-force spins. A spin can EASILY get out of hand, one mistake could make the spin "unbreakable" before ground contact, and we all know what that means. (Crash for those who can't figure it out. . . the "c" word. . .) Spins are very dangerous, even for skilled and well trained stunt pilots.