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Oct 9th, 2002 at 9:21am

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i am very suprised of you guys ???...
every aircraft designer and military aircraft fan that respect  Undecided him self need to know the fantastic multi-role fighter called "lavi"(Lion) (SEE PICTURES BELOW) 8). I looked EVERY WHERE!!! and it was no where to be found!!!! Sad
The lavi didn't make it to operational service but it was a prove that Israel can make a fighter, and even one of the best in the world (even better than the F-16 and cheaper than him). The independent development of a state-of-the-art plane was a first in the annals of Israeli technology.
The Lavi was intended to become the IAF's(Israeli Air Force) standard-bearer and Israel's first line plane. It was to be one of the world's most advanced planes at the turn of the millennium. The single-seat Lavi was intended to replace the Skyhawks, and carry out a variety of air-to-ground attacks at close to medium range, as well as protecting the skies over Israel. The tandem seat model of the Lavi was to serve as an advanced stage training plane, and occasionally carry out combat missions as well.The Lavi was a small, smart, highly robust fighter, that was to be the IAF's solution for the future battlefield. Its uniqueness lay in the combination of a physically small plane with very sophisticated, software-rich systems. This meant lower purchase, usage and maintenance costs, compared to other planes.
The project was cancelled because of budget problem but there are 3 "lavi's that flew, passed all the tests, and was produced and OLNY ONE of them is still flying and is been used as a Technology Demonstrator in the Israeli Aircraft Industrial (IAI)...
I really think we need this one hell of a plane on FS2002.CAN ANYBODY DO IT??? PLEASE DO IT!!! Cry

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Primary role: multi task fighter. Origin: Israel. Dimensions: wingspan: 8.78 m. length: 14.57
Height: 4.78 m
Wing area: 33.05 sq. m.   Maximum speed: Mach 1.85
Max. payload capacity: 7,200 kg
Operational range: 2,100 km  
Basic takeoff weight: 9,990 kg  
Pratt & Whitney PW1120 engine with a thrust of 9,344 kg
FOR MORE DETAILS:
www.iaf.co.il/iaf/doa_iis.dll/Serve/item/English/1.3.3.6.5.1.html

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/lavi.jpe
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/pic01.jpe
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/pic02.jpe
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/pic03.jpe
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/pic04.jpe
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/pic05.jpe
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/pic06.jpe
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/pic09.jpe
Thanks!
Erez Rochman, Israel
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Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2002 at 10:43am

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I agree the "Lavi" was one helluva aircraft.

It looks a lot like an F-16 with Delta wings and more sweep on the Vertical Stab. I guess the F-16 is aerodynamically sound (Or LockHeed was helping out on the Lavi) as the Lavi, and Japanese F-2 (Probably known as FSX) are both looking identical to the F-16, especially around the nose and intake.

I have also read rumors (Rumors only) that China either copied the Lavi design, or got help from Israel to design their own aircraft, the F-10 (I've never seen a photo of it and I don't know why I heard this rumor... Seems to me like a bunch of guesses.....)
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 9th, 2002 at 11:01am

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I agree.  The Lavi would be a great addition to FS2002, or CFS3.
 
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Reply #3 - Oct 9th, 2002 at 12:34pm

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i would really want to see that F-10.
as far as i know israel can't help the chinese building a plane because USA told her not to give them the high-tech systems and information of the Lavi.

oh and i was really upset about what you said ,bonzonie, that the Lavi is almost a copy of the F-16 Embarrassed. we all know that the F-16 is one hell of a platform (airplane) but the lavi is more maneuverable and cheaper than the F-16 in 5 million $. the Lavi is some kind of combination between the maneuverable soviet planes and the avionic system, technology, and the cool style of the american planes-a winning combination (believe me the lavi is VERY COOL plane, i saw the real one in the IAF museum). you all guys really should press on the link i gave before to the full details (in english) of the lavi.
it's just a two diffrent planes...
and by my rumors, that are actually true facts, the USA stopt the project because they want israel to buy her weapons in the money that  she is supporting israel to buy weapons from the USA.
and also she didn't want that other countries, even one of her closest allied like israel, to have better technolgy and aircrafts then she has so in the end casper veinberger (from USA)  killed the project. the Lavi was VERY missing to USA during the gulf war when she needed a close support fighter-bomber, and he is going to be missing even now, beacuse that is the time that the lavi was scheduled to become at operational service.
people from all over the world (even americans) think that the Lavi should become operational.
maybe one day the Lavi Will Become Operational. i hope so...

read-my-link! Wink(and please try to make the Lavi  for FS2002 or even CFS3 Grin)
 
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Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 8:06am

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yooooooo guys!!! (and ladies)
i can't believe that no one want's to make the Lavi!!!
what's wrong with you!!! we must have this kick ass fighter in our flight simulators!!! soon i will be over with his picuters and i will not be able to keep this Topic on the front page of aircraft wanted Cry.....
please help!!! i know you are busy and all but can you please tell if you plan to do it? Embarrassed it's my favorite fighter.
i found more pictures of him (please wait if they are a little slow). most of them are from the first time that he was unvailed (been saw) to the poblic by the Israeli Aircraft Industry (IAI). the rest are from an Air Force day in Israel and from IAI's Base in LOD (city in Israel).

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Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 8:47am

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Oh sorry. I really didnt mean "Copy". I meant it *looks* like the F-16, around the nose and intake.

The F-2, is a complete development of the F-16, Built by Mitusbishi with help(?) from Lockheed.

I wonder what happened with the development of the F-10... Haven't heard much...

 
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Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 8:58am

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bonzonie, do you know any one that can do the Lavi for me? i know you are a great telent in your self (i got some of your works), so can you or someone do it?

and also the F-2 is not better than the F-16 Block 60 or even not from the F-16I that lockheed is developing to israel and will come to Israel in the next half a year... and the F-2 will cost 100 million $!!! thats 4 times from normal F-16!
please tell if anyone going to do it!
 
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Reply #7 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 9:27am

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If you want the Lavi so much, there are tools (gmax, FSDS) for you to do it.

While the Lavi is a new airplane, granted, it still took off from the F-16, so a visual model can start there.

Wanting an airplane has usually become the driving force for someone to learn how to build airplanes.



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bonzonie, do you know any one that can do the Lavi for me? i know you are a great telent in your self (i got some of your works), so can you or someone do it?

and also the F-2 is not better than the F-16 Block 60 or even not from the F-16I that lockheed is developing to israel and will come to Israel in the next half a year... and the F-2 will cost 100 million $!!! thats 4 times from normal F-16!
please tell if anyone going to do it!

 
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Reply #8 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 10:50am

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Sad

FELIX

I sware I've tried.....  Sad

I'm a guy who needs personal lessons, I mean, some1 close to me makin' the whole thing and then I'm capable to "copycat" him and move on.... Sad call me lazy if U will Smiley
Perhaps Erez is the same as me, dunno know..
but I want to tell Erez one thing that I've learnt here, plz be more careful with your demands..calm down, the way U approach was quite imposing....ok?
 
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Reply #9 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 10:53am

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yes i know that i got to learn how to make models, and i got GMAX and i strated to reat the tutorials but it's pretty hard to someone that doesn't speak english as his first language to read that much english Tongue.
i know that there are no guides in hebrew for me, so it will take some time. but i want this model to be fully animated, painted (photo realistic if can) and professsional. i've already made at least 5 repaints of aircrafts from simviation (just for my self) but i am a total begginer Wink. do you know any full guide for photo realistic repaint and regular repaints?.
but any way i want the Lavi to be the best that anyone can do if he whant's to do the Lavi. i read all the pages of "aircraft wanted" and i know that you all love to help people but still telling them to start making there own models instead of asting others to do for them.
but as i said, i can't wait! ofcourse i will learn GMAX but i need the Lavi as fast as pussible. do your best falks!
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 11:28am

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erez. I think you have the wrong idea about this. Not everyone feels as passionately about this aircraft as you. A designer can spend many months creating a detailed FS model. Most designers create aircraft that have some meaning for them. On this basis you would be the best person to do it.

Gmax is difficult, Period..........!
The fact that English is not your first language is a handicap but you seem fluent enough so should be able to figure it out. We're all beginners to start with.

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Freeware designers don't work to a deadline. They can take just as long as they want. You might want this aircraft badly but it's hardly a matter of life or death.  Wink
 
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Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 1:20pm

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Hello Erez,
  If you really need to fly an IAI Lavi, some time ago Janes Combat Simulations (published by Electronic Arts) came out with a sim called "IAF".  "IAF" had a very nice Lavi and other aircraft used by the Israeli Air Force, along with historical based missions.  I believe "IAF" is still available and at a bargin price!  It maybe a little dated but the graphics are still good and should satify your needs until someone does develope a Lavi for FS2002.
  And yes, the Lavi would have been a hell of a combat aircraft, too bad it didn't go into production.

  And to Bonzonie, The Peoples Republic of China is building a multi-purpose aircraft known as the F-10 which is very simular in layout to the Lavi and from what I've heard they have received assistants form Israeli designers in the F-10 construction.
  I believe there are currently three flying in an evalution type testing.  A magazine called "Air Internation" had a short write up on the F-10 in September's 2002 issue.
 
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Reply #12 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 2:30pm

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Ok Ok i give up!!!!!!!!! YOU REALLY BREAK MY HEART AND SPIRIT Cry
I was just asking for a one small request like every one alse in this forum... i really didn't mean to make some people angry around here... i'm sorry if that happened...
it's OK if you don't want to make the Lavi... it's a damn shame but still... it's your choice... i have a friend that is planning to make the Lavi but he said it's going to take a while.
I'M REALLY REALLY SORRY IF I WAS RUDE AND PATIENT LESS.... forgive me friends. i just wanted the Lavi for FS2002. oh and about the Jean's IAF simulator, i have that simulator but the Lavi over there is not that good, he is not photo realistic and you can't have a free flight to any where you want to go, you can take off only in 3 IAF's bases in israel, and you can fly only in part of the middle east.
Just wanted to say that i'm sorry.
BUT JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BABY!!!!!!! Wink (THERE IS A PICTURE BELOW,KIND OF SLOW,DONT YOU THINK?) HE DESERVES TO BE AT FS2002!!! Angry
YOU GOT TO AGREE IT'S A BEAUTY!
PLEASE TELL IF YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE "LAVI" IS A COOL FIGHTER (PLEASE REPLY IF YES OR NOT)

P.S: I didn't give up on this idea Embarrassedhttp://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/lavi04

With Respect to all of the designers:
Erez Rochman, Israel
 
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Reply #13 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 7:10pm

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Hey, there is a possibility that WE(GfORCE TEAM) will do the Lavi, it is a possibility, I, personally like it very much and another member does also...so I think we may work on that project after we finish some others we've been working on...you can see our work at our webpage, just click on the image on my signature and you'll go to our website...There is a way you can help us, give us as many 3-views, bleprints or drawings of the lavi as you can find...
 
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Reply #14 - Oct 10th, 2002 at 10:34pm

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erez, ma nishma?
ata israeli?

korim li amara, ani tsarfati.

just be a little bit more patient Grin.
alonik and i will start working on it real soon Wink just don't ask any more questions, beseder?? (and stop writting chapters and chapters in your posts... just a few lines is enough...
and not everyone has to share your opinion about the plane, even though it is a great bird Wink.

so just hang on a little.
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