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Feb 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm

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....and a small, general aviation Aeroplane, with an air-cooled, normally aspirated, piston engine, suddenly suffering Carburettor Icing whilst airborne, in a cold, moisture-laden atmosphere.......

Ice cold in Utah!

You would not believe the number of times that I apply Carburettor Heat, and Pitot Tube Heat, when sim flying my little Cessna 150 Aerobat in unfavourable atmospheric conditions!

Always good practice for when the real thing comes along!

All survived with a few bruises....and a very bent aeroplane!

Paul.... Wink...!
 

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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2013 at 8:03pm

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Smiley   Good find Paul, I'm glad every one was OK. A shame about the plane though.
 

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Reply #2 - Feb 14th, 2013 at 8:49pm

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Actually my worst nightmare is being trapped in an aircraft out of control waiting for the ground to come up and hit.  I get chills even thinking about the videos of aircraft that have lost large portions of wings or other surfaces and just plummeting to earth.
 
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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 2:43am

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DaveSims wrote on Feb 14th, 2013 at 8:49pm:
Actually my worst nightmare is being trapped in an aircraft out of control waiting for the ground to come up and hit.  I get chills even thinking about the videos of aircraft that have lost large portions of wings or other surfaces and just plummeting to earth.



That or surviving a crash only to be trapped watching a fuel leak and a small fire come together... Sad

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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 5:23am

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I've got a funny feeling, that if the Pilot was aware of the outside weather conditions, noticing all the snow down below, and the OAT temperature gauge on his wing, etc, indicating a very low temperature, assuming the presence of moisture in the air, and forgetting to apply regular Carburettor (and Pitot) Heat, he will have some explaining to do with his Insurance Company?

I have personal experience of the effects of frozen Carburettors (with no facility to heat them) on my Vintage motor cars and motorcycles in the past, in inclement weather!: Stalled engines and rough-running engines!

"Frozen Carburettors" can be very bad for your health.....Trust me!... Shocked...!

Paul...wearing a pair of nice warm under-pants... Smiley...!

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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 5:27am

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I'm sure glad they all made it out alive. Why the hell did this guy land in a snow field?
There were all sorts of flat, snow free roads he could have landed on. I'm just going by
what I could see.

It's 2013, Why don't they have some kind of quick shot deicing system? Something that
would shoot some petroleum based deicer into the carbs. It could even turn on the carb
heater when the emergency deicer button is pushed. You know.. encase the pilot forgets.

Just a thought.Smiley
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 5:48am

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...I always make a point of applying Carburettor Heat prior to closing the throttle, during landing. A time when the pressure drop through the Carburettor venturi is at its maximum, (rapid air flow through a very small gap), resulting in a very low temperature on the Carburettor body, resulting in a build-up of ice in the venturi, with moisture in the air, therefore restricting the air/mixture flow, and suffering a strangled engine!

Cancel Carburettor Heat just before landing, in case a "full power, aborted landing, go-around" is necessary!
Applying Carburettor Heat reduces engine power..(hot air)...

(Lots of things to remember at the last moment!).

Paul...Ice-cream is OK... Wink... Wink...!
 

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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 2:42pm

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If it's cold and moist enough in the circuit to be needing to consider using carb heat, you've got to question whether you should've got airborne in the first place! Smiley
 
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Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 4:29pm

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C wrote on Feb 15th, 2013 at 2:42pm:
If it's cold and moist enough in the circuit to be needing to consider using carb heat, you've got to question whether you should've got airborne in the first place! Smiley


I look at many of the fancy screen-shots posted here, involving small, piston prop, normally aspirated engines, operating in unfavourable atmospheric conditions, and I am of the same opinion!... Wink... Grin...!

I avoid cold, damp clouds, like the Plague!

Paul...me and my engine hate getting wet and cold!... Sad...!
 

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Reply #9 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 5:16pm

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BLAZE wrote on Feb 15th, 2013 at 5:27am:
It's 2013, Why don't they have some kind of quick shot deicing system? Something that
would shoot some petroleum based deicer into the carbs. It could even turn on the carb
heater when the emergency deicer button is pushed. You know.. encase the pilot forgets.

Just a thought.Smiley


Because its 2013, and most all new engines are fuel injected and do not need carb heat.   Wink

That, and many things that would melt the ice, would probably still stall the engine.
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 7:01pm

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A perfect illustration of why you DON'T CARRY A BABY IN ARMS ON A PLANE. The mother held on OK that time, but luck was on the kid's side, for sure.
 

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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:11pm

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I'd think the Worst Nightmare would be, IF you owned a Nice Jet or propliner, and ya get the Insurance Bill in the mail, that ya owe on, and/or - the Enormous Fuel Bill for the fill up, that'd be a Nightmare to me !

Thankfully, I don't ever have to Fuel up , nor insure any of my Aircraft  Shocked

none of my 3,879 Aircraft that reside in my hanger,, OMG !  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:41pm

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beaky wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 7:01pm:
A perfect illustration of why you DON'T CARRY A BABY IN ARMS ON A PLANE. The mother held on OK that time, but luck was on the kid's side, for sure.


This brings up a good Question! How do you stowe an infant on a small aircraft? I know what to do in a car, but in small aircraft not so much.
 

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Reply #13 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:54pm

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That baby didn't sound to happy right there at the end did he?

I thought the little guy was strapped in. I'll have to check it out
again.

How many people can say they lived through a plane crash when
they were a baby? Cool
 

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Reply #14 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 10:32pm

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How to Strap your Baby in  an Airplane ???

I always just use Bunji' Cords and Motorcycle Straps !  Shocked  Grin Grin Grin 

Its either that or Rope & Duck Tape -  Grin Grin
 

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Reply #15 - Feb 22nd, 2013 at 6:06pm

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The thing that concerns me, whenever I see small Microlights/Ultralights and Flexwings equipped with their normally aspirated Rotax 2-Stroke Petrol engines, and no Carburettor heaters fitted, slowly drifting over my back garden, I imagine that they must take very great care to avoid any atmospheric conditions likely to cause Carburettor icing!

Paul... Sad...!


 

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Reply #16 - Feb 22nd, 2013 at 7:21pm

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Oh... ultralights!

I was thinking "Every Pilot's Nightmare" was 20 min. into a 4 hr. X-C, and, um... I gotta P! Now, where's that Gatorade bottle?

Or, you get this guy. Nightmare?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYGHGNZ47I

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Reply #17 - Feb 22nd, 2013 at 7:48pm

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BLAZE wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:54pm:
I thought the little guy was strapped in. I'll have to check it out
again.


4 seats, 4 adults... I didn't see the baby inside the plane, but mom's arms is the only place he could have been.
 
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Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 3:32pm

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Brian Z wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 7:48pm:
BLAZE wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:54pm:
I thought the little guy was strapped in. I'll have to check it out
again.


4 seats, 4 adults... I didn't see the baby inside the plane, but mom's arms is the only place he could have been.


10/4 Brian Smiley  I think it's pretty wierd how this guy filming was so calm about a
forced landing when they had a baby on board. Undecided

I tell ya what.. that baby couldn't have been in a better place then mammas arms. Smiley

Unless of course mamma landed on top of the little sqirt. Cry
 

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Reply #19 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 3:42pm

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I like the "co-pilot". All the way down to her sexy boots.

Hey!.. It's been a while.. OK? Cheesy
 

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Reply #20 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 5:54pm

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And the socalled pilot says I'm sorry like he just had a minor fenderbender. Now I'm just a misley ol simpilot (never flew an aircraft for real yet), but I think that the pilot made a serious miscalculation, and he should go back to ground school before he's allowed to fly again,IMHO. But what really irkes me is why did they have to have that infant with them for just a joyride?
I'm not a father, but I do have nieces and nephews, and they stayed home with a babysitter or granma when we went out on the boat or camping. We didn't take a child out with us at least till the age of 5, so in case something happens they would be able to have some idea of what to do in case there adult(s) became incapacitated. What would have happended to the poor kid if those adults got killed and/or seriously injured? Luckly it looks as thoe they were in population but they could have been in real trouble in a remote location. God bless that in general all were OK.
 
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Steve M wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:41pm:
beaky wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 7:01pm:
A perfect illustration of why you DON'T CARRY A BABY IN ARMS ON A PLANE. The mother held on OK that time, but luck was on the kid's side, for sure.


This brings up a good Question! How do you stowe an infant on a small aircraft? I know what to do in a car, but in small aircraft not so much.   

You put 'em in an infant car seat and strap that into a proper seat, just as you would in a car. I think somebody makes kiddie seats specifically for airplanes, but most of the car ones work in most planes.
 

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ViperPilot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 7:21pm:
Oh... ultralights!

I was thinking "Every Pilot's Nightmare" was 20 min. into a 4 hr. X-C, and, um... I gotta P! Now, where's that Gatorade bottle?

Or, you get this guy. Nightmare?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYGHGNZ47I

Shocked



This is interesting, a link next to the above video.............Hypoxia.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqWal_EmBg

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Reply #23 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 11:04am

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expat wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 2:00am:
ViperPilot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 7:21pm:
Oh... ultralights!

I was thinking "Every Pilot's Nightmare" was 20 min. into a 4 hr. X-C, and, um... I gotta P! Now, where's that Gatorade bottle?

Or, you get this guy. Nightmare?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYGHGNZ47I

Shocked



This is interesting, a link next to the above video.............Hypoxia.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqWal_EmBg

Matt


WOW!...

That was amazing!... Shocked...

Just shows the effects of a few Beers....or a lack of Oxygen!

Paul..."Pine's a mynt!"... Smiley..!!
 

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Reply #24 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 3:05pm

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Been in a formation where one of the other pilots went hypoxic. Very, very unpleasant position to be in.
 
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Reply #25 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 7:17pm

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...and a follow-on...>>> http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/i-learned-about-flying/i-learned-about-flying...

..always crosses my mind when climbing over the Sierra Nevada Mountains, en route to Lake Tahoe; or over the San Gabriel Mountains en route to Big Bear Lake, in my little Sim Cessna 150!
High altitude dangers = Carburettor freezing, and lack of oxygen both for me and my piston engine!

Paul... Cool...!

P.S...I'm surprised that the Pilot was able to maintain sufficient engine power to climb at the altitude of 18,300 feet ASL!
 

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