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Reply #60 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 4:19pm

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My FS9 with UT USA, Instant Scenery 2, AFCAD, and the plethora of FREE addons here at SimV (and SOH) has allowed it to REPLACE FSX on my system, Flight never had a chance.

I say that because FS11 if it comes will need to be built like FS9. Clearly FSX on the inside was poorly done, FS9 has its bugs yes, but it is a tank on my system. Even when I first got it, with an old laptop it still ran good. Flight I might add ran very poorly on my laptop which can run FSX at ~75% and FS9 at 100%+. So to me, it seems yet again as with FSX they never considered playability from a hardware end. They should take notice from World of Tanks! WoT is still demanding on systems, but the devs for it are continuously working to increase FPS and stability on older systems and they have been successful.

So for FS11, the #1 priority should be making sure it is STABLE and runs well on average systems. #2 should be being open to being modded by the community.

Flight failed on both of these, FSX failed on #1 period and on #2 it is so so (prop blurs, black glass, etc are signs of problems to me).
 

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Reply #61 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 4:32pm

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jetprop wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:54pm:
Well.
You say you aren't wanting to push someone into not using FSX while everywhere in your post you say that FSX is rubbish.


It's a matter of freedom of choice and freedom of being able of naming what you know as rubbish as such.

I don't keep you from yours. Please, return the favor. Smiley


jetprop wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:54pm:
I am not going on about how FSX code isn't rubbish  because otherwise this discusion is going to go on forever and we don't want to get offtopic do we? Grin


If you have a CONCRETE argument against my naming it rubbish, bring it forward. And yes, we are off topic, but this part of the forum is destined to an early demise and sloooow traffic, so I don't think we'd be scolded too harshly.

Mind you, a CONCRETE argument is not one that bases itself on personal tastes or impressions. It has to be objectively verifiable.


jetprop wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:54pm:
But this is what I see:
FSX is for those who have the patience to tweak it and hone it to perfection,its a jewel then.

FS9 is for people who want a straight out sim, which doesn't need tweaking but still looks good but not amazing.


You sir have a scale of values that is something else. Huh

If you pass me this metaphor; I don't buy a car to fiddle with the engine, the steering, the suspension and all the other mechanical and/or electrical parts when I want it to go. If I buy a car, this MUST allow me to do a school run with my kids or to go in vacations in these days without me having to stop every 10Km to rewire something, or use duct tape (which is shockingly expensive here in Italy, by the way) on the bumper right after any time we hit a bit of rough road.

The same, in kind, applies to any end-user software I use.

Of course, I believe that each and any of you MUST BE FREE to buy a LADA, or a NSU Prinz, or whatever, and pass the rest of your automotive days on the hard shoulder of a road in wait to find a way to make your car move again. I am NOT denying ANYONE this freedom, if it makes you happy.

I prefer my car to bring me where I want and back with as little as possible to no fuss, though, spending as little fuel as possible and cuddling me with warmed air from the heater when outside is too cold and air conditioned when outside is too hot. And in the name of the same above exposed beliefs of freedom of choice, I will make my choices accordingly. Tongue

Be this clear, it was a metaphor. Not starting to speak about cars now. Wink


jetprop wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:54pm:
If you do tweak FS9 it does get amazing,sometimes near FSX quality.


FS9 was looking default FSX good with the support of freeware AND payware add-ons already by he time FSX came around... Cheesy


jetprop wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:54pm:
This is all I am saying.


Fair enough. Smiley


jetprop wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:54pm:
Oh and if someone DOES say flight is perfect then I will join you on the visit. Grin


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wahubna wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 4:19pm:
I say that because FS11 if it comes...


Cease and desist any hoping in the matter, friend. M$ had chosen a way with Flight. That way was WRONG, anyone with a brain could see it, but what Flight was, was not a simulator or a game. It was merely a way for M$ to squeeze easy money out of their chosen cash cows (us), had it worked.

We didn't give them the hoped for easy money. We didn't make their scam work (I'm using for it the name I feel appropriate in describing what Flight was, if you don't like it... tough).

We sank their dear Flight with absolute prejudice, and I'm still celebrating.

I don't think they will be so gracious to give us the software we'd like in exchange.
« Last Edit: Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:31am by Strategic Retreat »  

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Reply #62 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 4:46pm

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One mans rubbish is another mans treasure. I'm sorry but FSX was never this great problem of which some of you speak. I don't have a water cooled super behemoth of a machine either. Yeah, I had to spend an afternoon tweaking it, but if FSX had never been released, I would not be flight simming to this day. FS9 requires just as many tweaks as FSX does. So the code?, was state of the art in the day and in retrospect was a mistake. No! I don't think so.
 

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Reply #63 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 5:24pm

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As I said,I am not going to say anything.

But what I am going to say is:
My FSX runs on medium-low(for some) FPS but it looks great,and I have an acer PC. Grin

That is all I am going to say in this topic because otherwise this will go on for ages. Tongue
 

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Reply #64 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 5:44pm

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jetprop wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 5:24pm:
As I said,I am not going to say anything.

But what I am going to say is:
My FSX runs on medium-low(for some) FPS but it looks great,and I have an acer PC. Grin

That is all I am going to say in this topic because otherwise this will go on for ages. Tongue




Yes, This was supposed to be Flights funeral eulogy. RIP Flight.  Grin
 

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Reply #65 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 11:55pm

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Steve M wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 5:44pm:
RIP Flight. Grin


No! Anything BUT that!

Ode to Flight's demise:

Flight, oh Flight...

May your wretched soul NEVER find any kind of rest nor peace, you ill-conceived, inbred, bloated, plagued, piece of organic waste in form of a PC software...

May you be reborn in the form of a pig, Flight, only to be slaughtered as one. And then may your flesh be found being infected by mad cow plague and immediately incinerated in a blast furnace...

May then you be reborn as a beetle, Flight, and may the thing you want to do BEFORE reproducing and as soon you finally learn to fly, in your first flight in fact, is to cross a motorway on which someone comes by barreling on a nicked, full throttle Bugatti Veyron SS... the impact with its windscreen hurts and harms you A LOT, but you're still alive and fully cognizant that the force of the impact makes you ricochet into the path of a landing airplane... and especially of one of its hungry, hungry turbines that sucks you into its high pressure stages where you are introduced to a new definition of pain before being incinerated...

May you then and for the last time ever be reborn a dolphin, Flight, and end up, last of that species before a worldwide ban is put into act, as SUSHI...

...and together with you, the idiots that wanted to create you. FLIGHT.

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It does transpire just a little my unbound, visceral hatred for Flight, in the words above, doesn't it? Undecided
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Reply #66 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:56pm

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I'm not surprised  at all about the cancellation.
I can't help but wonder WTF they were thinking .

In  any event, I had lost interest  in Flight sims. FSX graphics are definitely  dated and Flight is a joke.

Maby now, I wiil go back to FSX as It will obviously be around for a while  and Flight it a non starter.

The only thing I fear is FXS will be the last sim (from anyone)  as we know it as the  bean counters will now be gun shy about "flght sims". 
 
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Reply #67 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:35pm

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Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:56pm:
I'm not surprised  at all about the cancellation.
I can't help but wonder WTF they were thinking .

In  any event, I had lost interest  in Flight sims. FSX graphics are definitely  dated and Flight is a joke.

Maby now, I wiil go back to FSX as It will obviously be around for a while  and Flight it a non starter.

The only thing I fear is FXS will be the last sim (from anyone)  as we know it as the  bean counters will now be gun shy about "flght sims". 


Agree with nothing you say.

Interest in aviation is huge globally.
FS was the longest running PC entertainment in history and with no drop in following.

The problem is that MS was the holder of the license. They think short term (year end figures)

It doesn't by ANY means mean that the interest in simulated flight on a computer devise has gone away. It is here and it is big. It just isn't being met properly by any company right now. Lockheed Martin own the license now. They are not a softare company but at least they have the bucks to follow it for fun without being anal about a mil here and there.

Let's just see what happens. .......... & as a side point we are busier than we have ever been. More downloads and page views per day than ever. I suspect the rest of the FS world is the same. I look at it every day and think 'WOW!!'
 

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Reply #68 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 6:48pm

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pete wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:35pm:
Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:56pm:
I'm not surprised  at all about the cancellation.
I can't help but wonder WTF they were thinking .

In  any event, I had lost interest  in Flight sims. FSX graphics are definitely  dated and Flight is a joke.

Maby now, I wiil go back to FSX as It will obviously be around for a while  and Flight it a non starter.

The only thing I fear is FXS will be the last sim (from anyone)  as we know it as the  bean counters will now be gun shy about "flght sims". 


Agree with nothing you say.

Interest in aviation is huge globally.
FS was the longest running PC entertainment in history and with no drop in following.

The problem is that MS was the holder of the license. They think short term (year end figures)

It doesn't by ANY means mean that the interest in simulated flight on a computer devise has gone away. It is here and it is big. It just isn't being met properly by any company right now. Lockheed Martin own the license now. They are not a softare company but at least they have the bucks to follow it for fun without being anal about a mil here and there.

Let's just see what happens. .......... & as a side point we are busier than we have ever been. More downloads and page views per day than ever. I suspect the rest of the FS world is the same. I look at it every day and think 'WOW!!'


You do not  agree with anything I said?
I find that hard to believe. Exactly what  do you dsagree with?
You seem  to be addressing something  that  I never brought up. I  simply said that the bean counters (whoever they may be) might now  be gun shy about flight sims, not that FS/aviation  intetest  in general  is waning.  Smiley
 
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Reply #69 - Aug 18th, 2012 at 3:57pm

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Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 6:48pm:
pete wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:35pm:
Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:56pm:
I'm not surprised  at all about the cancellation.
I can't help but wonder WTF they were thinking .

In  any event, I had lost interest  in Flight sims. FSX graphics are definitely  dated and Flight is a joke.

Maby now, I wiil go back to FSX as It will obviously be around for a while  and Flight it a non starter.

The only thing I fear is FXS will be the last sim (from anyone)  as we know it as the  bean counters will now be gun shy about "flght sims". 


Agree with nothing you say.

Interest in aviation is huge globally.
FS was the longest running PC entertainment in history and with no drop in following.

The problem is that MS was the holder of the license. They think short term (year end figures)

It doesn't by ANY means mean that the interest in simulated flight on a computer devise has gone away. It is here and it is big. It just isn't being met properly by any company right now. Lockheed Martin own the license now. They are not a softare company but at least they have the bucks to follow it for fun without being anal about a mil here and there.

Let's just see what happens. .......... & as a side point we are busier than we have ever been. More downloads and page views per day than ever. I suspect the rest of the FS world is the same. I look at it every day and think 'WOW!!'


You do not  agree with anything I said?
I find that hard to believe. Exactly what  do you dsagree with?
You seem  to be addressing something  that  I never brought up. I  simply said that the bean counters (whoever they may be) might now  be gun shy about flight sims, not that FS/aviation  intetest  in general  is waning.  Smiley

I think he means that there is still interest so new sims will still be made,by who,noone knows,X-plane maybe?
 

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Reply #70 - Aug 25th, 2012 at 2:17pm

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The problem is any involved  software developement such as  a real flight sim would most likely require  some sort  of financial backing from investors .

What  made  MS the ideal corp to developed a flight sim(s) is their  almost unlimited resources.
It's sad that their own greed  was their worst enemy.

Will investors still be willing to invest in flight sims?

This issue has nothing to do with the public's interest in flight sims .

Yes, there is still X plane but when something/anything has no compitition things tend to get stagnant .
 
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Reply #71 - Aug 26th, 2012 at 9:30am

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Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 25th, 2012 at 2:17pm:
Yes, there is still X plane but when something/anything has no compitition things tend to get stagnant .


Well, there's always FlightGear, to say.

It has suffered greatly for the inattention of the mainstream users up until now, and if it MUST become the anti-X-plane, to generate competition and keep everyone on their toes, better someone begins to understand its working and get some add-on for it out.
 

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Reply #72 - Dec 2nd, 2012 at 10:46pm

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Why not just improve on FSX. Not just more aircraft and missions. As example incorporate a comprehensive aircraft carrier operations much like the Abacus Flight Deck 5. Improve basic scenery and don't make the software too demanding on the hardware. MS Flight simply stunk much like all other MS Combat Sims stunk after CFS1.
 
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Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 25th, 2012 at 2:17pm:
This issue has nothing to do with the public's interest in flight sims .


The issue has EVERYTHING to do with the public's interest in BUYING flight simulations.  MONEY.   That is what drives the production of such new software (unless it is a government military kind of program).

To invest in this, an investor/company has to see the PAYBACK.  If the R.O.I. is not there........ why do it?

We are involved for the "love" of the hobby.  Programmers write code for their paychecks.  Programmers are hired by companys and given a paychek to make money for the company that hired them.  Which projects the programmers get to wrk on is decided by the marketing people by which offering will make the most money for the given paychecks given out.

Simple.

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Reply #74 - Dec 5th, 2012 at 10:47pm

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John, FS has lived almost 20 years using the old and proven way.

Love of simulation aside, M$ STILL makes money out of their old versions of FS.

All this bandwagon COULD NOT have lasted 2 months, if it brought little or no income to M$, let alone almost 20 years.

M$ simply, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION no less, tried to follow the marketing example of Apple... with US who NEVER were blithering idiots ready to ANY EXPENSE so to better be able to follow the fashions.

Something had to give... and it weren't the NOT blithering idiots etcetera.

Worse, technically the NEW software was a step... hell SEVERAL steps backwards if compared to the last versions of FS. Ever since its fifth incarnation FS had all the world, sometimes with little detail, but it was there. AND EVEN BEFORE, you could at THE VERY LEAST fly over almost all the CONUS (can't remember if Alaska was part of those ancient versions or not).

I mean... THE REAL Hawaii is lovely, all right... but to tell us to take this much simulated land in all the planet and shut the hell up, after ALL THAT we've had in the past... you need some chutzpa.

...or drug induced insanity.

In the old FS versions had a certain amount of default planes. They weren't a lot in the older versions, and they weren't all that much either in all the versions, but were there nonetheless.

Remind me again, please... how many default planes had Flight?

And the last nail in the coffin? Absolute veto of any kind of freeware...

The lifeblood of ANY successful simulator... DENIED! What the hell have they been smoking? Exhausted nuclear reactor fission bars?

...OR payware that was not marketed BY THEM.

Who the holy f-word did they think they were? Hitler returned to life, perhaps? And if so, should we remember them what happened to their inspiration?

Oh... forgot we did already. On THAT side we can be DAMN proud of ourselves.

They went all the way to ask software houses like PMDG discussing... what? Of course no one knows the details of the proposed businesses, but if the software houses told them to stuff it, one can only draw ONE conclusion.

M$ got greedy. Were consumed by an unprecedented greed that went off scale and beyond reasons. And in their dream to CLUMSILY build up the Fourth Reich of software to fight the BAD and COMMUNIST Apple got trounced even before starting. And not only no one is going to be sympathetic with them, but they have only THEMSELVES to blame. Tongue
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