Please let's not forget the developers of Flight.

THEY were passionate about what they did. Some were ex Aces/Flight Simulator developers. They would, had they been allowed, have continued the FS11.

It was the higher powers in M$ who think only of the $ numbers. They don't think at all of the 'bigger picture' and the long view.

So - It's the $$$$ men @ MS to Blame. Not the MS Flight Team  - who really pushed it as much as they could.

$$$$ people are who destroy the world.

People who bring life a step further are those who think of the bigger picture rather than simple 'end of year figures' .... add to that -  They will probably just bin the whole thing....... talk about WASTE. If they had an ounce of human decency they'd at least give it out as 'abandonware' with the SDK ..... and allow the 1000's of us that could develop it to bring it on into something amazing ......

pete wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

I couldn't agree more!
I wouldn't mind spending my time helping to improve the game. But we all know that decency isn't something that's inherent to M$, sadly...

Strategic Retreat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 11:25am:


My point exactly. 

machineman9 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 11:17am:


I understand they just posted their first time ever first quarter LOSS.

best,

..................john

machineman9 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 11:17am:


More like brought a knife to a gunfight, and then had the ABSOLUTE CHEEK to feel offended they were shot down repeatedly without being able to do anything about it.

Way to show you've been the top of the market for so long only for a chance or a mistake.

Nice wise words Pete


I wonder what will happen to the currents sceneries and airplanes add on ,I mean they could sale after this some few more but there will be a time (and that will be very soon ) that Nobody will remember Flight..

  are they going to give it for free ?

just wondering 

Alex

alrot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:14pm:

I had my reasons. For instance, deep within the code somewhere there were instructions relating to ATC and the such. The features were just never made available or activated. There were other things too... For instance, the achievements are listed to have ones for achieving 80,000ft and exceeding Mach 3, or for carrying a whole lot of people/cargo (which would only be feasable in big jets). I think there are some for travelling long distances, etc.

Even if the beta only had one plane, it was too early to see exactly what would pan out with the final release.


I wasn't doubting you, I just wasn't jumping to any conclusions. It was a beta release and things do change. I was fairly sure that they were interested in checking the performance as well as the networking capabilities of the sim. In this case, they probably fixed about 5 minor problems and called it "a job well done". It was far closer to a final release than a beta than I'd realised.

pete wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:


Hmmmmn... no, not quite. He did not dismiss internet as it was, he was sharp enough to recognize the potentiality of such a worldwide net and wanted to create an internet that was HIS. Personal. Constrained. Restricted. Bound only to him, M$ and their desires.

Who among you still remembers like I do the icon of "The Microsoft Network", on ALL the desktops of Win95? Ever asked yourself what it was and what was there for? It was a veritable Trojan Horse of the non viral kind. A Trojan Horse that was never welcomed in our citadels, fortunately.

A proper nightmare. Just think of an Internet ruled by M$... on which you can do whatever you want, bur only as long M$ agrees... and try not to puke.

M$'s hubris level back then redlined for the first, but sadly not the last time. And in fact, with the first and only patch the TCP-IP protocol was released (it was that or stand back and look at someone else doing it in their place) and everyone could connect to The Real Internet.


ViperPilot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:


No one here with a brain blames the coders and programmers of Flight. Coders and programmers can be blamed for FSX (but it was another team) which code is rubbish at best, not Flight. Coders and programmers of Flight did their best to keep in line with what was asked of them. They could not make available a feature if the higher ups told them in a non uncertain way not to include, and even if the perhaps wanted Flight to be something better, the eggheads above managed to mess it up BADLY, and now are coders and programmers that are laid off.

A little like; I am a road worker, the head engineer tells me to lay down a road pavement in a certain way, it is discovered then that that road pavement is not adequate to the task, and I am fired instead of the idiot who gave the order.

It happens all too often, and the sympathies go to those who were wronged, not the SOBs that caused the problem. Speaking for myself, I've never blamed the coders and programmers of Flight. When I've hurled written lightnings to M$, I've always directed them to the idiots on the top, apparently so eager and determined to mess it up again, and again, and again, and then another time too.